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Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

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Dirray New Member • Posts: 5
Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

I've just bought a GH6 and am in general quite happy about it.

However, I've noticed that the sharpness of the EVF is much lower when A-, S-, M-, P-, Cx-modes are chosen versus when chosing "Creative Video Mode".

It creates fatigue to the eyes as you constantly try to get optimal focus with your eyes, which is not possible.

The issue is most visible when you're looking at something at far distance (infinity focus).

I've checked another camera in a shop and it turns out to have the same behavior, so it seems to be a generic GH6 issue.

Can other users of this camera verify whether this is the case for them also?

To best see the issue:

(1) put the turnwheel on Creative Video Mode, focus on something at far distance; you'll see that the image through the EVF is perfect.

(2) now turn the turnwheel to any other mode, and you'll see the screen "switch" with (much) less sharpness.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

alcelc
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Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

You use evf to take video?

Not sure the sharpness (or evf setting) would be changed on using different shooting mode. It should be the same (after set) for still (P/S/A/M) and video (M-Video).

Have you tried to save a video shooting environment in one of the C? i.e. M-Video ( either P/S/A/M) to a C to see how your evf will behave?

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Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness
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However, I've noticed that the sharpness of the EVF is much lower when A-, S-, M-, P-, Cx-modes are chosen versus when chosing "Creative Video Mode".

Are you recording video in a lower resolution than the full pixel dimensions of the sensor? If so, the larger magnification of the pixels will likely result in the illusion of greater sharpness.

Besides this, a slew of different settings may be activated in Creative Video Mode, such as dynamic range boost, higher luminance, enlarged display, etc that will affect the image in the viewfinder.

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Pete Berry Veteran Member • Posts: 4,322
The E-Stab. Effect
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Dirray wrote:

I've just bought a GH6 and am in general quite happy about it.

However, I've noticed that the sharpness of the EVF is much lower when A-, S-, M-, P-, Cx-modes are chosen versus when chosing "Creative Video Mode".

It creates fatigue to the eyes as you constantly try to get optimal focus with your eyes, which is not possible.

The issue is most visible when you're looking at something at far distance (infinity focus).

I've checked another camera in a shop and it turns out to have the same behavior, so it seems to be a generic GH6 issue.

Can other users of this camera verify whether this is the case for them also?

To best see the issue:

(1) put the turnwheel on Creative Video Mode, focus on something at far distance; you'll see that the image through the EVF is perfect.

(2) now turn the turnwheel to any other mode, and you'll see the screen "switch" with (much) less sharpness.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

You've discovered the video E-Stabilization effect!

The EVF doesn't change it's properties - It's not actually any sharper - just magnified a bit, as the E-Stab. imposes about an 8% sensor crop in all video modes. So turn it off, unless you need it, and focus your EVF critically in a stills mode, which will not "jump" when switching to Creative Video.

Interceptor121 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,691
LVF/Monitor Display Setting

I just checked and I think you have set the EVF to display shooting settings outside the frame

This means the 4:3 image gets scaled to make room for the shooting settings

So there is no difference with the previous models once you set them same way

If you don't want the field of view to change make sure the settings are in the frame in both photo and video

In video they will be outside anyway unless you shoot anamorphic and in photo they will overlay the image

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katy C. Senior Member • Posts: 2,209
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness
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Your dismissive "you use evf for video".

I certainly shoot video via EVF: it is easier

to hold the camera steady that way rather

than arms outstretched looking via LVF,

katy

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Interceptor121 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,691
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

katy C. wrote:

Your dismissive "you use evf for video".

I certainly shoot video via EVF: it is easier

to hold the camera steady that way rather

than arms outstretched looking via LVF,

katy

I agree

Using the EVF is better when for example you handhold the camera or use a monopod.

When you are on a tripod instead you can't use the EVF but generally the LCD is small and you should really use a monitor

The Gh6 and Gh5m2 LCD are brighter and with a hood can be used outdoors but remain small and low resolution and should not be used for critical focus in my view

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Neon Birding
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Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

alcelc wrote:

You use evf to take video?

Not sure the sharpness (or evf setting) would be changed on using different shooting mode. It should be the same (after set) for still (P/S/A/M) and video (M-Video).

Have you tried to save a video shooting environment in one of the C? i.e. M-Video ( either P/S/A/M) to a C to see how your evf will behave?

If you're reviewing photos on the evf or live view.   It's likely you have the exposure modes set with RW2, RAW or Raw+JPG.  THe cameras creative mode and Ai exposures all use JPG for the playback review of photos on the camera.

Thus, when you zoom in all the way on the camera's playback screen, you can see the sharpness difference between RAW file and JPG.

Interceptor121 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,691
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

Neon Birding wrote:

alcelc wrote:

You use evf to take video?

Not sure the sharpness (or evf setting) would be changed on using different shooting mode. It should be the same (after set) for still (P/S/A/M) and video (M-Video).

Have you tried to save a video shooting environment in one of the C? i.e. M-Video ( either P/S/A/M) to a C to see how your evf will behave?

If you're reviewing photos on the evf or live view. It's likely you have the exposure modes set with RW2, RAW or Raw+JPG. THe cameras creative mode and Ai exposures all use JPG for the playback review of photos on the camera.

Thus, when you zoom in all the way on the camera's playback screen, you can see the sharpness difference between RAW file and JPG.

Raw has no role in the display which is based on the selected photo style

either the photo style used for photo and video are different or simply is a difference of crop that depends on the display settings as explained in my post here

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Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

Interceptor121 wrote:

Neon Birding wrote:

alcelc wrote:

You use evf to take video?

Not sure the sharpness (or evf setting) would be changed on using different shooting mode. It should be the same (after set) for still (P/S/A/M) and video (M-Video).

Have you tried to save a video shooting environment in one of the C? i.e. M-Video ( either P/S/A/M) to a C to see how your evf will behave?

If you're reviewing photos on the evf or live view. It's likely you have the exposure modes set with RW2, RAW or Raw+JPG. THe cameras creative mode and Ai exposures all use JPG for the playback review of photos on the camera.

Thus, when you zoom in all the way on the camera's playback screen, you can see the sharpness difference between RAW file and JPG.

Raw has no role in the display which is based on the selected photo style

either the photo style used for photo and video are different or simply is a difference of crop that depends on the display settings as explained in my post here

Yes, you are correct.  The raw photo when viewed on the display will show the image quality of the raw photo taken, which is less sharp then if you were to take a photo set to JPG only.   So, having photo set to RAW file will be different than viewing a fully cropped in shot in JPG.

Interceptor121 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,691
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness
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Neon Birding wrote:

Interceptor121 wrote:

Neon Birding wrote:

alcelc wrote:

You use evf to take video?

Not sure the sharpness (or evf setting) would be changed on using different shooting mode. It should be the same (after set) for still (P/S/A/M) and video (M-Video).

Have you tried to save a video shooting environment in one of the C? i.e. M-Video ( either P/S/A/M) to a C to see how your evf will behave?

If you're reviewing photos on the evf or live view. It's likely you have the exposure modes set with RW2, RAW or Raw+JPG. THe cameras creative mode and Ai exposures all use JPG for the playback review of photos on the camera.

Thus, when you zoom in all the way on the camera's playback screen, you can see the sharpness difference between RAW file and JPG.

Raw has no role in the display which is based on the selected photo style

either the photo style used for photo and video are different or simply is a difference of crop that depends on the display settings as explained in my post here

Yes, you are correct. The raw photo when viewed on the display will show the image quality of the raw photo taken, which is less sharp then if you were to take a photo set to JPG only. So, having photo set to RAW file will be different than viewing a fully cropped in shot in JPG.

No that is incorrect

RAW can't be displayed on any screen it is not an image. If you save a RAW+JPEG the camera displays the jpeg with the photo style chosen

If you make the mistake of shooting RAW only it will show the embedded JPEG that is very low resolution

But on live with it makes no difference what is shown is the photo style of the jpeg

All cameras only display their JPEG there is no such a thing as RAW display as the screens are gamma corrected so can only display an sRGB signal

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OP Dirray New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

Has anybody tried to look through the viewfinder, and switch from any mode towards Creative Video Mode?

Do you see a diffrence?

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Re: The E-Stab. Effect

I don't understand your reply to be honest. E-stab is actually OFF.

Pete Berry Veteran Member • Posts: 4,322
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness
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Dirray wrote:

Has anybody tried to look through the viewfinder, and switch from any mode towards Creative Video Mode?

Do you see a diffrence?

Well of course. It's different because of the top and bottom video 16:9 ratio format height crop of the 4:3 default stills format. But the center remains unchanged. Unless you're in video E-Stab., which you say you aren't.

With it, going in and out of video mode with the main selector, the center "jump's" to a slightly magnified state, by cropping in about 4% of all sides and appearing wider, deeper, and a bit sharper, due to the mag. And going to any stills mode, it jumps back to the normal state - same width as the video frame, but filling the VF top and bottom. And the video played back shows a a ~4% crop, and my 12-35 becomes a 12.5-36.5 effective FL w/ E-Stab..

How is yours different?

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Re: The E-Stab. Effect

Dirray wrote:

I don't understand your reply to be honest. E-stab is actually OFF.

Are you sure? See above reply. Nothing else I know makes the video image magnify (get clearer) slightly in all video formats allowing it.

Put your selector on creative video, get the E-Stab Yes/No dialog on screen, and switch back and forth and see the image change. Is this anything near what you're experiencing? Because in non-video modes, E-stab is auto-off regardless of setting.

say_doyster Regular Member • Posts: 147
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

Dirray wrote:

Has anybody tried to look through the viewfinder, and switch from any mode towards Creative Video Mode?

Do you see a diffrence?

Yes, and other than the 16x9 framing (cropped top and bottom), I find no difference in the EVF sharpness. There can be changes in exposure as you cycle through the options going from PASM to CVM, but there are no other changes in the sharpness.

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Interceptor121 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,691
Re: The E-Stab. Effect

Dirray wrote:

I don't understand your reply to be honest. E-stab is actually OFF.

Read my post

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66110135

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OP Dirray New Member • Posts: 5
Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

I’ve checked this and the issue is not linked to the setting RAW or JPEG.

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Re: Question to GH6 owners related to EVF sharpness

Are you using identical photo style, sharpness, etc.?  Different from prior models, GH6 allows separate settings for stills and video.

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Pete Berry Veteran Member • Posts: 4,322
Re: The E-Stab. Effect

Interceptor121 wrote:

Dirray wrote:

I don't understand your reply to be honest. E-stab is actually OFF.

Read my post

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66110135

Yep, that produces a shift to a smaller stills screen, with the same effect - the difference being that with E-Stab. on there's a crop-mag of the video making it a bit sharper rather than a shrinking of the stills frame.

Since he says E-Stab is off, your explanation must be the one.

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