Next X100?

mhasman wrote:

Apple brings almost twice-better camera once a year with every next iPhone. Why would underestimate Fujifilm's 2 years development for whom digicams production is primary busicapable

When you look at the 'improvements' in camera technology most of it is focused on more features ( Many of which are rarely needed ), and more megapixels, which are only needed if you're displaying at huge sizes, which most people aren't. Older models are just as capable as they ever were, and there are no huge improvements on things like dynamic range or colour.

Some will argue that the older models are better built, or have better color, or lower pixel count renders nicer looking images. The game of manufacturers is to upsell you something you really don't need using all sorts of marketing trickery. The desire of many for a new toy they don't really need is all too apparent. If people focused on the real art of photography, instead of the latest camera, their photographs would actually improve, rather than stagnate because they blame their failings on their equipment, not their lack of application to the craft. A new camera is a quick fix that doesn't actually fix anything.

Before anyone gets too excited, l have fallen into this trap myself, but the truth of it becomes self-evident in time. Modern cameras are so capable now, and have been for some years, that if you're not producing quality photographs, it's not because of the gear you're using.

John Gellings wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

BryanMZ wrote:

Also, I have a thought. Looking at the spec, is X100V literally just XE4 with a 23f2? Or is x100v more compact or actually better? I haven’t used or seen XE4 before and am tempted since x100v is constantly out of stock.

It's the optical viewfinder that makes it what it is IMHO, if you're not fussed by that then an X-E4 will produce the same results.

Well, it is also the better build quality, the small 23mm pancake, the leaf shutter, etc. By the way, all Fujifilm cameras with the same sensor produce the same results, so we obviously are all buying different models for other reasons.

I know what the differences are, but, as I said, it's the optical viewfinder that's the real differentiator, you can put a faster 23mm lens on the XE4, and the better build quality is debatable, as for the sensor, did you really think I wasn't aware of that, or that people buy different cameras for different reasons?

I honestly wasn’t sure since you think the other things i mentioned are non factors.

I never indicated l thought they were non factors, its disingenuous to suggest that, l just expressed my opinion that the ovf is the main differentiator to other models, because obviously it is. It was the first camera of this type ever made, and it's subsequent success is built upon that switchable ovf. Though the X-Pro line has the same functionality, it's less useful unless you stick to a 23mm lens or similar, and that camera is often used in evf mode only because of the ovf limitations with longer focal lengths.

No, it's interesting. Apple must kind of "double" everything every year because they have to. Anything else would be a disappointment. And of course camera brands are not in the same time race. Fuji obviously doesn't have to upgrade the x100V yet, they can't keep up with the demand and so. BUT they also have engineers, designers and they pay them every months. Even if they don't work full time on the x100 line, and the x100V is a wonder (to those who have it), they necessarily work on something for the next one. We all hope the chip shortage will end and the prices will not fly away...

PentaxNick wrote:

I have the T and the F. I prefer the form factor and handling of the T, but the viewfinder enhancements of the F are nice, along with the increased pixels to improve the crop ability and usability of the crop modes. I’d like the weather sealing of the V.

So as an upgrade to the V I’d like to see:

• a reduction in size to T levels.
• IBIS/OIS to allow better low light handling or longer shutter speeds for creative purposes. Don’t say it can’t be done within the size contrasts as Ricoh can do it with the considerably smaller GRIII.
• RAW+ option in crop modes (seems bizarre it’s not there).
• Weather sealing built in without need for extra filter.

Few more things.

UHS-II card slot

Larger EVF/OVF with longer eye-point.

Similar to X-T3, two-pivot LCD screen (X-T100 has two-pivot screen, but opposite direction).

How about better processor (faster, less heat, drain less battery power) with below computational photography features :

• Hand-held High Resolution mode - multi-shots with IBIS for generate high resolution image. Processed in camera and can include Raw.
• Hand-held High Resolution crop mode - enhanced from Hand-held High Resolution mode, use only when crop to 50mm for seamless generate true 26MP image (simulate 50mm lens).
• Optional Electronic Variable Graduated ND filter - AI powered "thin transparent B&W LCD panel + polarizing filter" (detachable like existing clear filter) in front of fixed prime lens act as optical-based variable ND filter. When turn on auto graduated ND mode in menu, camera always capture photo/video at base ISO, highlights protected via partial image area covered graduated ND if needed (AI powered).
• Consumer can manually detach above ND filter during low-light shooting. Both side of ND filter glass will auto covered (trigger via spring) when detached, pocketable without case.
• Electronic variable aperture blade via thin transparent B&W LCD glass, able simulate different aperture blade shape depends on setting/type of photo : rounded aperture blades more pleasant out-of-focus background blur; 9 blades for 18 sunbeams...
• Hand-held Live Composite - Muti-shot for simulate long exposures (together with above auto ND filter mode and IBIS) to build up light trail composites images.
• Cinematic Photo Mode - takes a series of photos focused at different distances into single RAW file in camera memory (RAM). RAM can temporary store up to 30 second although turn off camera (with battery), allow consumer choose Depth-of-Field effect (click on person/object) after shot via computational photography on select/merge photos. Processed in camera and can generate new Raw which only contains selected photo (smaller size) into SD card.

Firmware tweak :

• Before trip, search location in smartphone's Google Map, share the location to camera as predefined GPS location (can store multiple in menu). All Photo capture automatic will tagged with the default GPS location (selected in menu). No require turn on Bluetooth/WIFI when capture photo.
• Allow customize/export/import JPEG recipes via smartphone app to camera firmware. Allow share JPEG recipes to social media via 2D barcode (2D barcode wiil store entire JPEG recipe, scan it via app/camera will import). No require key-in via small camera LCD screen.
• Similar to Fujifilm X-A7 film simulator mode slider - allow preview & compare two filter/JPEG recipes in same times.

• Able wireless playback photo/video to any Android TV (include hotel TV) via Chromecast feature. In camera post-processing support Chromecast feature - use entire camera/smartphone LCD screen as "Loupedeck CT" controller, view photo at TV in same time.

PentaxNick wrote:

forest dream wrote:

PentaxNick wrote:

I have the T and the F. I prefer the form factor and handling of the T, but the viewfinder enhancements of the F are nice, along with the increased pixels to improve the crop ability and usability of the crop modes. I’d like the weather sealing of the V.

So as an upgrade to the V I’d like to see:

• a reduction in size to T levels.
• IBIS/OIS to allow better low light handling or longer shutter speeds for creative purposes. Don’t say it can’t be done within the size contrasts as Ricoh can do it with the considerably smaller GRIII.
• RAW+ option in crop modes (seems bizarre it’s not there).
• Weather sealing built in without need for extra filter.

Few more things.

UHS-II card slot

Larger EVF/OVF with longer eye-point.

Similar to X-T3, two-pivot LCD screen (X-T100 has two-pivot screen, but opposite direction).

Ability to close screen for protection and simpler use like the Pen-F would be good. Back of screen to match the finish of the body.

Some consumer like FAS, some consumer like two-pivot LCD screen, some consumer like hidden screen (X-Pro 3).

Better solution is make screen modular design, let consumer can purchase LCD/AMOLED module and plug into camera body.

Consumer may upgrade to higher resolution screen in future.

LCD/AMOLED module use single USB Type C as wiring to camera body.

How about better processor (faster, less heat, drain less battery power) with below computational photography features :

• Hand-held High Resolution mode - multi-shots with IBIS for generate high resolution image. Processed in camera and can include Raw.
• Hand-held High Resolution crop mode - enhanced from Hand-held High Resolution mode, use only when crop to 50mm for seamless generate true 26MP image (simulate 50mm lens).
• Optional Electronic Variable Graduated ND filter - AI powered "thin transparent B&W LCD panel + polarizing filter" (detachable like existing clear filter) in front of fixed prime lens act as optical-based variable ND filter. When turn on auto graduated ND mode in menu, camera always capture photo/video at base ISO, highlights protected via partial image area covered graduated ND if needed (AI powered).
• Consumer can manually detach above ND filter during low-light shooting. Both side of ND filter glass will auto covered (trigger via spring) when detached, pocketable without case.
• Electronic variable aperture blade via thin transparent B&W LCD glass, able simulate different aperture blade shape depends on setting/type of photo : rounded aperture blades more pleasant out-of-focus background blur; 9 blades for 18 sunbeams...
• Hand-held Live Composite - Muti-shot for simulate long exposures (together with above auto ND filter mode and IBIS) to build up light trail composites images.
• Cinematic Photo Mode - takes a series of photos focused at different distances into single RAW file in camera memory (RAM). RAM can temporary store up to 30 second although turn off camera (with battery), allow consumer choose Depth-of-Field effect (click on person/object) after shot via computational photography on select/merge photos. Processed in camera and can generate new Raw which only contains selected photo (smaller size) into SD card.

Not sure why “Cinematic Mode”. Simple focus-bracketing and stacking ala Olympus would be great.

Simple focus-bracketing and stacking ala Olympus great too.

Cinematic Photo Mode more flexible, consumer can choose either everything is in focus or some item blur.

Simplify solution: default direct "combines all images into an image where everything is in focus" write into SD cards first, but consumer still can choose Depth-of-Field effect (click on person/object in "everything is in focus" image during playback) or first focus or last focus image later.

If using electronic shutter from stacked sensor (from X-H2), may be allow consumer more seamless switch within Cinematic Photo Mode / burst shoot / normal shoot.

rsn wrote:

I doubt, highly doubt, there will be an improvement in the lens, it was just done on the V and it took 5 generations for that improvement to be implemented. On that schedule, the X 100X will get a new lens.

Macro mode like Ricoh GRIII?

What would move me to upgrade from X 100f, I think in body Snapseed so I can work on an image in camera. If I can have Snapseed (image processing) on my phone, no reason it can't go into a camera.

No issue for built-in Snapseed in camera, if camera has better processor (as least fast as mid-range phone).

But, camera maker seem like.... Below article mentioned $6000 Zeiss ZX1 "exporting edited DNGs took anywhere from 30-50% longer on the ZX1 than a Pixel 3a smartphone (a midrange 2019 model that isn't especially powerful or expensive), with the same file and identical adjustments."

https://dpreview.com/reviews/zeiss-zx1-review

IBIS would help but not for me, I think it would help a video crowd. With a 23mm lens, you can select a decent enough shutter speed to knock out any softness problems, 1/100s or faster so no need for IBIS.

How about take photo for critical movement, hand may still shake (walk fast or running)? 😛

I would like Fuji to focus on downloading more options that can impact imaging, so I'd like them to release more film sims, this really isn't a X 100vi deal but applicable to all cameras.

Better auto focus performance will impact image IQ. No more blurry photo (especially hig res image).

I would like seamless interphase between the needed to be improved Fuji remote software and my phone. Quickly I could take an image in camera, muck about with it with the internal Snapseed program, and transfer it to my phone, quickly without brains, brawn and technical know how. My phone can do this already.

Insta360 already quickly solution without brain. The SD Card insert into USB Type C card reader which

• USB Type C card reader has SD Card slot.
• USB Type C card reader act as camera primary SD card slot. Direct plug entire USB Type C card reader into camera, then capture photo/image as usually. No need take out SD card from reader.
• USB Type C card reader also can direct plug into phone/PC/Mac/TV.... without extra tools/steps.
• USB Type C card reader also has different color/label for easy storage management.

As I have said, I have the X 100f and there isn't much or anything I can think of that would make it a better camera. The much ado about nothing hype over the close up performance of the first through fourth generation of the same lens is a waste of breath. I just use the internal teleconverter, select 50mm which allows me to shoot the close up image further away which eliminates any "softness."

absquatulate wrote:

BryanMZ wrote:

Dear Forum,

I noticed that the x summit is around, and I’ve been waiting for it. I recently fell in love with the concept of Fuji x100v. And I would much rather bring that than my xt4 or my gfx100s with me to the streets. I think it comes down to what makes me want to take photo is the the best camera.

that being said, is there a possibility that a new gen x100 is coming with the summit/in the near future?

Best,

Z

What is it that you think a new X100 will do that the existing models don't already provide? Have you tried shooting with one yet? I still use the original version and find it to be an excellent camera, maybe you should try one first?

• IBIS
• New battery
• New sensor with more MP
• Somewhat better grip
• Better AF

The x100v has a leaf shutter and built-in flash. It can flash-sync to 1/4000s. It's a very different camera than the x-e4.