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RP USB-C possibilities?

Started Mar 9, 2022 | Questions
julyas43
julyas43 New Member • Posts: 17
RP USB-C possibilities?

I do a bit of video making, talking to camera kinda style and for some time I've been using some kind of wired lav mic plugged into the camera (previously 60D, now RP). Wired lav, though as useful as it is, the hassle with the cable sometimes just unbearable. Wireless system is too expensive for me, but recently I found a cheap wireless mic system with USB-C on the receiving end, but it's for smartphone. I wonder if I can use it on the RP. Does anyone know if that's possible?

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StefanD Contributing Member • Posts: 577
Re: RP USB-C possibilities?

julyas43 wrote:

I do a bit of video making, talking to camera kinda style and for some time I've been using some kind of wired lav mic plugged into the camera (previously 60D, now RP). Wired lav, though as useful as it is, the hassle with the cable sometimes just unbearable. Wireless system is too expensive for me, but recently I found a cheap wireless mic system with USB-C on the receiving end, but it's for smartphone. I wonder if I can use it on the RP. Does anyone know if that's possible?

I would be very surprised if such a system could be directly plugged into the RP's USB port.

But maybe it's an option to transmit the sound to a smartphone and connect the smartphones headphone output to the RP's microphone port?

sushipep Regular Member • Posts: 113
Re: RP USB-C possibilities?
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Tried plugging in my USB-C to 3.5 Audio jack and my earphones in the RP.

Nothing there, can't hear anything when playing back video. I'm going to guess this can't record as well. I'm going to guess what you want to do sadly isn't doable.

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tkbslc Forum Pro • Posts: 17,522
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The Rp has a mic/headphone jack on the side already. You'll have to use that. The USB is only for data transfer or charging.

Cameras aren't running a full OS like a phone or computer, so there is nothing to detect and configure other USB devices like that when they are plugged in. It is more like a USB accessory itself, rather than a computer to connect them to. It's a USB device, not a USB host, if that makes any sense.

If you are looking to record to a lav mic on the cheap, without running a wire to the camera, just use a cheapo wired mic connected to your phone in your pocket. Record to your phone and sync audio in post, and then drop the camera audio from the final output. Once you learn how it takes like 60 seconds to match it up to the video in almost any video editor. (Helps if you do a loud clap or something at the start of the clip to have an obvious sync point)

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Maxmolly7
Maxmolly7 Senior Member • Posts: 1,482
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Is there any special device necessary to charge the RP via USB?

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sushipep Regular Member • Posts: 113
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Maxmolly7 wrote:

Is there any special device necessary to charge the RP via USB?

Yup, the charger (and the cable) has to be a USB-C PD rated charger.

If you have a recent laptop that is charged by via USB-C instead of something proprietary, that will do.

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Maxmolly7
Maxmolly7 Senior Member • Posts: 1,482
Re: No.

sushipep wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

Is there any special device necessary to charge the RP via USB?

Yup, the charger (and the cable) has to be a USB-C PD rated charger.

If you have a recent laptop that is charged by via USB-C instead of something proprietary, that will do.

Oh no, again another charger... 😞

My Lumix, Sonys can be charged with any charger. Thanx for your feedback.

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StefanD Contributing Member • Posts: 577
Re: No.

Maxmolly7 wrote:

sushipep wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

Is there any special device necessary to charge the RP via USB?

Yup, the charger (and the cable) has to be a USB-C PD rated charger.

If you have a recent laptop that is charged by via USB-C instead of something proprietary, that will do.

Oh no, again another charger... 😞

My Lumix, Sonys can be charged with any charger. Thanx for your feedback.

The good news is that USB-PD seems to be a lasting standard, to which many new devices comply.

StefanD Contributing Member • Posts: 577
Re: RP USB-C possibilities?

sushipep wrote:

Tried plugging in my USB-C to 3.5 Audio jack and my earphones in the RP.

Nothing there, can't hear anything when playing back video. I'm going to guess this can't record as well. I'm going to guess what you want to do sadly isn't doable.

As far as I know, the RP only supports analogue audio input, so you need to connect the mic input to a headphone output of some device (like a smartphone).

I use this setup with a Tascam portable recorder, used as a wired remote microphone.

Steve Balcombe Forum Pro • Posts: 15,571
Re: No.

Maxmolly7 wrote:

sushipep wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

Is there any special device necessary to charge the RP via USB?

Yup, the charger (and the cable) has to be a USB-C PD rated charger.

If you have a recent laptop that is charged by via USB-C instead of something proprietary, that will do.

Oh no, again another charger... 😞

My Lumix, Sonys can be charged with any charger. Thanx for your feedback.

Not sure which you have, but do they require USB-C? If so you may already have something suitable. My R5 (and I believe the RP) can be charged using any USB-C supply, it doesn't need to be PD. The camera must be switched off - see below.

(But NB - a USB-A supply with a USB-C plug on the other end of the cable is effectively an adapter and doesn't count! Still that will work for many devices, even my brand new Samsung Galaxy Tab S8 Plus for example, but not Canon's bodies.)

What does require PD specifically, and I think this is where sushipep has got mixed up, is using an external power source to operate the camera. That must be PD, and at least 9V 3A which roughly corresponds to a 30W supply or better. It's worth investing in a powerbank and/or a power brick which complies with this - a lower-power PD device such as many attractively-small power banks would be a mistake.

MarshallG
MarshallG Veteran Member • Posts: 8,951
Re: No.

Maxmolly7 wrote:

sushipep wrote:

Maxmolly7 wrote:

Is there any special device necessary to charge the RP via USB?

Yup, the charger (and the cable) has to be a USB-C PD rated charger.

If you have a recent laptop that is charged by via USB-C instead of something proprietary, that will do.

Oh no, again another charger... 😞

My Lumix, Sonys can be charged with any charger. Thanx for your feedback.

No, one charger. Finally.
The problem with USB charging has always been that the USB spec only permits 5V, 0.5A power, which is very little power. Various schemes came about for detecting whether more current can be drawn, but finally, they came up with PD, which stands for Power Delivery. Now there’s a way for USB devices to communicate over USB to determine all of the different Volt/Amp combinations available, all the way up to 100 Watts of power.

Canon cameras with USB-C draw 9V, 3Amps, so a 27 or 30 Watt USB supply will work, OR you can use a higher Wattage power supply; the camera will only draw the current it needs; the power supply doesn’t “push” power into the device and no overload condition will occur. USB-C charging is taking over nearly everything because of this, and it’s a great solution.

Two examples: Canon and Apple were proprietary charging systems for decades. Now they’re both USB-C based. My latest Mac laptop can use any USB-C PD power adapter to charge, although if it’s under 65 Watts it will charge very slowly.

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Maxmolly7
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Ah, this forum is great!

I just checked my powerbank which has an PD outlet and its works with my RP!

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julyas43
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Re: RP USB-C possibilities?

Well, answering my own question, I bought that wireless USB-C mic and no, it doesn't work on the camera. I guess recording sound thru my phone and sync it in post would be the only choice.

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StefanD Contributing Member • Posts: 577
Re: RP USB-C possibilities?

julyas43 wrote:

Well, answering my own question, I bought that wireless USB-C mic and no, it doesn't work on the camera. I guess recording sound thru my phone and sync it in post would be the only choice.

You can't connect the headphone out of your phone to the mic in of the RP and have the sound recorded with the video?

tkbslc Forum Pro • Posts: 17,522
Re: RP USB-C possibilities?

StefanD wrote:

julyas43 wrote:

Well, answering my own question, I bought that wireless USB-C mic and no, it doesn't work on the camera. I guess recording sound thru my phone and sync it in post would be the only choice.

You can't connect the headphone out of your phone to the mic in of the RP and have the sound recorded with the video?

The OP wanted to avoid running a cable to the camera.   If you are going to run a cable, a cheap lav mic with a 3.5mm jack is all you need anyway.

StefanD Contributing Member • Posts: 577
Re: RP USB-C possibilities?

tkbslc wrote:

StefanD wrote:

julyas43 wrote:

Well, answering my own question, I bought that wireless USB-C mic and no, it doesn't work on the camera. I guess recording sound thru my phone and sync it in post would be the only choice.

You can't connect the headphone out of your phone to the mic in of the RP and have the sound recorded with the video?

The OP wanted to avoid running a cable to the camera. If you are going to run a cable, a cheap lav mic with a 3.5mm jack is all you need anyway.

Not sure about that. I guess the issue was having a cable running from the scene to the camera. If you use the phone as an intermediate device between the wireless receiver and the camera, you can keep the phone close to the camera.

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