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sample variation or faulty camera?

Started Feb 22, 2022 | Discussions
patticake Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
sample variation or faulty camera?

i'm mixed on this, so i was wondering on others' opinions.

i got a used E-M10 ii, and it has the worst stabilization i've experienced with a stabilized camera.  my E-PM2 has better stabilization with its old 3 axis IBIS, my husband's E-M5 ii has MUCH better IBIS, my old E-M10 had better IBIS, although not amazingly so.  every compact and bridge camera i've used has better stabilization, as have all the stabilized sony, canon and pansonic lenses i've used.

perhaps the stabilization in this E-M10 ii isn't working or perhaps it may have some stabilization on that's not effective -  i'm not sure.  but i've never seen so many blurry pics from any camera i've owned, although the nikon P610 came close, but for me it was very awkward to handle, so my hands were shakier.

that being said, would you consider that worse IBIS could be sample variation or camera issue?

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cba_melbourne
cba_melbourne Veteran Member • Posts: 5,850
Re: sample variation or faulty camera?
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patticake wrote:

that being said, would you consider that worse IBIS could be sample variation or camera issue?

Definitely a camera issue. I cannot imagine there could be any sample variation with ibis.

Do a factory reset of the camera. If ibis still does not work, something is broken with your camera.

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
Re: sample variation or faulty camera?

cba_melbourne wrote:

patticake wrote:

that being said, would you consider that worse IBIS could be sample variation or camera issue?

Definitely a camera issue. I cannot imagine there could be any sample variation with ibis.

Do a factory reset of the camera. If ibis still does not work, something is broken with your camera.

Agree. Did that model have any shutter shock issues? Don't know it at all, myself.

Triple check the IBIS isn't disabled.

Good luck,

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Woody S
Woody S Contributing Member • Posts: 750
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I have three M10 ii, the IBIS works well in two, including with a 300mm lens shot at 1/30 handheld. In one of the cameras, with the 300mm on, if the shutter is depressed too long the IBIS now begins to shake the entire camera (the camera's getting rather old and worn) -- so that camera is only used with short lenses where the IBIS never begins to shake the entire camera.

Have you tried using the camera in silent mode and with the IBIS set with "all direction shake" on  and at low shutter speeds? If you still get blurred images, it seems obvious that either the IBIS is turned off in your camera, there's something wrong with the IBIS, the focus is bad or your camera holding technique leaves much to be desired.

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jalywol
jalywol Forum Pro • Posts: 12,302
Re: sample variation or faulty camera?

Simple answer: If you are getting that degree of OOF photos from it, it's defective.

I don't have an Oly cameras currently, but I have used several over the years with the floating IBIS module that you have, and it should NOT be doing that.

I have had one Panasonic body with a bad IBIS module that behaved exactly as you are describing; I think I had about MAYBE a 50% hit rate for sharp shots with it (it was a GX9).  I sent it back for exchange, and the replacement is perfect (on a bad day I will get 10% OOF shots, and that's not because of the IBIS, just me being careless).

So, send it back.  It's bad.

-J

Isola Verde
Isola Verde Forum Pro • Posts: 10,640
Re: sample variation or faulty camera?

Send it back immediately.

Regardless of cause, it's not down to you to fix the problem.

Once you've got your money back, buy from somewhere that checks their stuff before despatch.

Peter

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Gary from Seattle Veteran Member • Posts: 7,852
Re: sample variation or faulty camera?
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patticake wrote:

i'm mixed on this, so i was wondering on others' opinions.

i got a used E-M10 ii, and it has the worst stabilization i've experienced with a stabilized camera. my E-PM2 has better stabilization with its old 3 axis IBIS, my husband's E-M5 ii has MUCH better IBIS, my old E-M10 had better IBIS, although not amazingly so. every compact and bridge camera i've used has better stabilization, as have all the stabilized sony, canon and pansonic lenses i've used.

perhaps the stabilization in this E-M10 ii isn't working or perhaps it may have some stabilization on that's not effective - i'm not sure. but i've never seen so many blurry pics from any camera i've owned, although the nikon P610 came close, but for me it was very awkward to handle, so my hands were shakier.

that being said, would you consider that worse IBIS could be sample variation or camera issue?

You are getting a lot of advice without anyone seeing any images. Why don't you post 3-4 images so we can see what you are talking about?

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Yar1971 Regular Member • Posts: 410
Re: sample variation or faulty camera? Check IS mode to be sure
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Skeeterbytes wrote:

Definitely a camera issue.[...]

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Triple check the IBIS isn't disabled.

Good advice and also check which IS mode is set. IS1 is the proper one. Others may not stabilise in all directions and they are for special purposes only, like panning. If all is OK in settings, this is a real malfunction. I guess You use the cam with native lenses, that comunicate their FL (focal length) to the body. For manual lenses the FL should be manually given in IS menu to the camera. Maybe check also in EXIF-s, if camera properly register the FL-s while making pictures. If values a wrong (due to electric contacts in lens mount), this also should influence IBIS severely. Do some test pictures with the zoom at known, much different FL-s.

Regards and good look with Your cam

-J.

PS. BTW, are there any minor issues visible in camera behaviour/menus? Any mechanical shock to the cam in the past? I had one  problem with my previous E-PL1 (now I have EM10 II, too): many times the IS icon was going red for 1-1.5 minutes right after turning the camera on and it seemed to me IBIS didn't worked. Later the icon was turning white as normal and then IBIS operated normally. Kind of malfunction I think. Started just few months after I fell with the camera in hands on the (very) rocky ground.

OP patticake Senior Member • Posts: 1,308
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first thing i did when i got the camera was do a reset and go through all my settings.  IBIS was on.  i did another reset, and again made sure IBIS was on.

at every shutter speed, when i really got serious about testing, the images had more hand motion blur than if they hadn't been stabilized, so i sent it back.

cba_melbourne wrote:

patticake wrote:

that being said, would you consider that worse IBIS could be sample variation or camera issue?

Definitely a camera issue. I cannot imagine there could be any sample variation with ibis.

Do a factory reset of the camera. If ibis still does not work, something is broken with your camera.

i did a factory reset first thing, then when i ran into another issue, i did another factory reset. no dice.

i sent the camera back last week.

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