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Oly 12-100 f4, why so heavy?

Started Feb 14, 2022 | Discussions
Adrian Harris
Adrian Harris Veteran Member • Posts: 7,708
Oly 12-100 f4, why so heavy?
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I shoot with both Panasonic and Olympus, love both and happily Intermix lenses and bodies.

For general walk around my single go-to lens is the Panasonic 14-140 MK2. It is a very good lens in that it is really light, covers a superb range and it quite sharp.

However it slightly falls short of my ideal requirements. Ideally I would prefer starting at 12mm, a slightly faster long end of the zoom, a constant aperture, and slightly better optics - as although the Panasonic 14-140 MK2 is good, it doesn't quite have the same micro contrast as the pro lenses.

I already have the Panasonic 12-35 & 35-100 f2.8 pro lenses, but do not want a 2 lens system for walk around.

Hence I thought the Olympus 12-100 f4 pro would be ideal

However on checking the weight and size of it against all my other lenses I was horrified

Using the ubiquitous digital kitchen scales and a ruler I was shocked to find that even the Olympus 75-300 was something like 20% lighter and smaller and the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 was tiny and feather weight in comparison - and it's faster !!!

Why was it necessary for the Olympus 12-100 f4 to be so big and heavy?

I will say up front that it's size and weight has stopped me from even considering it as a walk around lens. Such a shame

... And is that why so many are available seconhand?

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UrbanHobbit
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Re: Oly 12-100 f4, why so heavy?
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I also have wondered about this. My assumption is that it is due to the extra (large) glass needed to deliver the wide end. I look forward to better answers from those more knowledgeable in lens design.

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Bored_Gerbil
Bored_Gerbil Junior Member • Posts: 45
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Lots of glass and metal, in comparison to the lenses you mention.  Lightweight compared to the 40-150mm f2.8 Pro but that lens is even better...

cheers Kevin

v11f Regular Member • Posts: 332
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Hi Adrian,

My walk around kit is a G80 and 14-140.

Or should I say was, as I have almost exclusively recently had my S21 as walkaround kit ...

2 points camera manufacturers need to face, in my view: size & weight and connectivity.

Size & Weight: agree fully with your remarks.

Connectivity: camera manufacturers need to improve their apps, to make this easier.

Will be interesting to see what the Wow and GH6, and follow-up offerings, do in this regard.

epozar
epozar Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
Re: Oly 12-100 f4, why so heavy?

I use 12-40/2.8

+ Sigma 60/2.8 in the bag

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Trolleyman Senior Member • Posts: 1,048
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Probably the amount of high quality glass needed to make it equally good throughout its focal range.

I use it quite often on a day out with an E-M1 ii, doesnt feel that heavy and replaced my 12-35 and 35-100. I can understand some peoples reluctance to buying it, but it is a really excellent lens and worth it for me

Are there really that many available secondhand? About 75% more 12-40 if you look at the overall market yet that is a highly rated and popular lens.

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Franz Weber
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It is all about the special rendering that only a Pro lens can deliver.

Pro lenses have more puch. Images are dramatic and touching.

This photo of the very same subject was taken with each lens after another.

See for yourself:

Panasonic 14-140:

And Now the very same subject shot with the Olympus Pro 12-100:

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Nice one. I laughed out loud!!

Made my day.

Mike

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cba_melbourne
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UrbanHobbit wrote:

I also have wondered about this. My assumption is that it is due to the extra (large) glass needed to deliver the wide end. I look forward to better answers from those more knowledgeable in lens design.

There is actually not that much glass in there to explain the weight:

ED glass (blue) is heavy, but there is not that much of it by volume. Also, Oly pro lenses use only metal on the outside rings for good looks. Inside it's plastic. So why so large and heavy, I do not know. Maybe the IS system?

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Jianfei WANG Regular Member • Posts: 136
Re: Different rendering:
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mikero wrote:

Nice one. I laughed out loud!!

Made my day.

Mike

So did I!

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Jappie52 Regular Member • Posts: 450
Re: Different rendering:

Franz Weber wrote:

It is all about the special rendering that only a Pro lens can deliver.

Pro lenses have more puch. Images are dramatic and touching.

This photo of the very same subject was taken with each lens after another.

See for yourself:

Panasonic 14-140:

And Now the very same subject shot with the Olympus Pro 12-100:

I had a Puch once, a long long time ago. It lacked punch but it did have a very special rendering!

Eric Nepean
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Re: Oly 12-100 f4, why so heavy?

Adrian Harris wrote:

I shoot with both Panasonic and Olympus, love both and happily Intermix lenses and bodies.

For general walk around my single go-to lens is the Panasonic 14-140 MK2. It is a very good lens in that it is really light, covers a superb range and it quite sharp.

However it slightly falls short of my ideal requirements. Ideally I would prefer starting at 12mm, a slightly faster long end of the zoom, a constant aperture, and slightly better optics - as although the Panasonic 14-140 MK2 is good, it doesn't quite have the same micro contrast as the pro lenses.

I already have the Panasonic 12-35 & 35-100 f2.8 pro lenses, but do not want a 2 lens system for walk around.

Hence I thought the Olympus 12-100 f4 pro would be ideal

However on checking the weight and size of it against all my other lenses I was horrified

People coming from larger systems older equipment have remarked that weight is acceptable, however most M43 users view this as a heavy lens.

I have this lens, its a really good lens, but not a walkaround lens.

The lenstip review shows that this lens is as sharp as any prime at F4, has very low chromatic and spherical aberation, nice bokeh, low vignetting and and has good rejection of ghosting and flares.

The Olympus 12-200 would be a better walkaround lens, but the performance will be lower.

Using the ubiquitous digital kitchen scales and a ruler I was shocked to find that even the Olympus 75-300 was something like 20% lighter and smaller and the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 was tiny and feather weight in comparison - and it's faster !!!

Why was it necessary for the Olympus 12-100 f4 to be so big and heavy?

All performance factors are tradeoffs. In this design, it seems the designers focussed on performance andd created an almost perfect zoom lens.  One can be sure they didn't gratuitously add weight.

I will say up front that it's size and weight has stopped me from even considering it as a walk around lens. Such a shame

Olympus 12-200 perhaps?

... And is that why so many are available seconhand?

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softmarmotte
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This absolutely ridiculous

The 14-140 can't even focus properly. Look at all the OOF grass

Franz Weber wrote:

It is all about the special rendering that only a Pro lens can deliver.

Pro lenses have more puch. Images are dramatic and touching.

This photo of the very same subject was taken with each lens after another.

See for yourself:

Panasonic 14-140:

And Now the very same subject shot with the Olympus Pro 12-100:

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drj3 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,636
Re: Oly 12-100 f4, why so heavy?

I agree it is a little heavier than I would like for a walk around lens.   I find it better with the grip on my E-M1s.  However, I still use it much of the time because it gives excellent images throughout its focal length range.  When I want to go somewhat lighter, I use the 8x25 and sacrifice the long end for the 8-11mm range.

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victorav Senior Member • Posts: 2,751
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cba_melbourne wrote:

UrbanHobbit wrote:

I also have wondered about this. My assumption is that it is due to the extra (large) glass needed to deliver the wide end. I look forward to better answers from those more knowledgeable in lens design.

There is actually not that much glass in there to explain the weight:

ED glass (blue) is heavy, but there is not that much of it by volume. Also, Oly pro lenses use only metal on the outside rings for good looks. Inside it's plastic. So why so large and heavy, I do not know. Maybe the IS system?

Why does it have to be only one thing? The best explanation is a combination of the metal shell, glass elements and electronics inside the lens.

Weight doesn't just magically appear.

brentbrent Veteran Member • Posts: 5,767
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Adrian Harris wrote:

Ideally I would prefer starting at 12mm, a slightly faster long end of the zoom, a constant aperture, and slightly better optics - as although the Panasonic 14-140 MK2 is good, it doesn't quite have the same micro contrast as the pro lenses.

Yeah, you are describing the 12-100. 

I already have the Panasonic 12-35 & 35-100 f2.8 pro lenses, but do not want a 2 lens system for walk around.

You want the 12-100!

Hence I thought the Olympus 12-100 f4 pro would be ideal

However on checking the weight and size of it against all my other lenses I was horrified

It's lighter than your two-lens system of 12-35 and 35-100.

I will say up front that it's size and weight has stopped me from even considering it as a walk around lens. Such a shame

Yeah, that's a shame.  You don't know what you're missing.  I think it's a terrific walk-about on my G9, would be even better on your E-M1 II.  Don't you have a 100-400?  How do you manage to lift that if you can't imagine walking around with the 12-100?

I don't regret one minute selling my 14-140 and 35-100 f/2.8 in favor of the 12-100.  Starts at 12, 100 is long enough, constant f/4, great OIS, and superb IQ.  Puttering with rulers and kitchen scales isn't a substitute for trying and getting used to it.

I typically carry it in a holster bag worn sling style.  It's not a problem at all for me to carry it or shoot with it, either on GX8 or G9.

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tammons Veteran Member • Posts: 8,142
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Adrian Harris wrote:

I shoot with both Panasonic and Olympus, love both and happily Intermix lenses and bodies.

For general walk around my single go-to lens is the Panasonic 14-140 MK2. It is a very good lens in that it is really light, covers a superb range and it quite sharp.

However it slightly falls short of my ideal requirements. Ideally I would prefer starting at 12mm, a slightly faster long end of the zoom, a constant aperture, and slightly better optics - as although the Panasonic 14-140 MK2 is good, it doesn't quite have the same micro contrast as the pro lenses.

I already have the Panasonic 12-35 & 35-100 f2.8 pro lenses, but do not want a 2 lens system for walk around.

Hence I thought the Olympus 12-100 f4 pro would be ideal

However on checking the weight and size of it against all my other lenses I was horrified

Using the ubiquitous digital kitchen scales and a ruler I was shocked to find that even the Olympus 75-300 was something like 20% lighter and smaller and the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 was tiny and feather weight in comparison - and it's faster !!!

Why was it necessary for the Olympus 12-100 f4 to be so big and heavy?

I will say up front that it's size and weight has stopped me from even considering it as a walk around lens. Such a shame

... And is that why so many are available seconhand?

Oly 12-100 F4? Because of the range and it's build quality which is mostly all metal.

The Pany Leica 12-60mm F2.8-4 is nearly half the weight with less range with a lot of plastic.

To me, after owning a using a lot of MFT lenses over the years, Oly pro lenses especially are built like tanks with quality of construction the main concern and weight as a secondary concern, while Panasonic seems to be more interested in saving weight, although both provide excellent IQ.

victorav Senior Member • Posts: 2,751
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tammons wrote:

Adrian Harris wrote:

I shoot with both Panasonic and Olympus, love both and happily Intermix lenses and bodies.

For general walk around my single go-to lens is the Panasonic 14-140 MK2. It is a very good lens in that it is really light, covers a superb range and it quite sharp.

However it slightly falls short of my ideal requirements. Ideally I would prefer starting at 12mm, a slightly faster long end of the zoom, a constant aperture, and slightly better optics - as although the Panasonic 14-140 MK2 is good, it doesn't quite have the same micro contrast as the pro lenses.

I already have the Panasonic 12-35 & 35-100 f2.8 pro lenses, but do not want a 2 lens system for walk around.

Hence I thought the Olympus 12-100 f4 pro would be ideal

However on checking the weight and size of it against all my other lenses I was horrified

Using the ubiquitous digital kitchen scales and a ruler I was shocked to find that even the Olympus 75-300 was something like 20% lighter and smaller and the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 was tiny and feather weight in comparison - and it's faster !!!

Why was it necessary for the Olympus 12-100 f4 to be so big and heavy?

I will say up front that it's size and weight has stopped me from even considering it as a walk around lens. Such a shame

... And is that why so many are available seconhand?

Oly 12-100 F4? Because of the range and it's build quality which is mostly all metal.

Olympus uses plastic internally, with a metal shell. Although it's unclear how much metal is used.

The Pany Leica 12-60mm F2.8-4 is nearly half the weight with less range with a lot of plastic.

To me, after owning a using a lot of MFT lenses over the years, Oly pro lenses especially are built like tanks with quality of construction the main concern and weight as a secondary concern, while Panasonic seems to be more interested in saving weight, although both provide excellent IQ.

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As people say: glass and metal. Compare it to the Sony 24-105/4 similar diameter at the heavy end and 17/14 lens els/ groups compared to 17/11 for the 12-100 pro.  Ok obviously different flange/range but what counts is the diameter of the front ie f no and FL

Same goes comparing 100-400 in m43 with tam/sig SLR 100-400- similar ish weights ( ok the pan is a bit lighter ) but all are similar input pupil dias.

The Sony is 663g and the pro is 561g. I would guess that the pro has a better build quality - more metal maybe.

Lovely lens but I am also put off by the weight - tend to stick to cheap kit lenses for extra reach and just the 12-40 pro for walk around.

tammons Veteran Member • Posts: 8,142
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rich_cx139 wrote:

As people say: glass and metal. Compare it to the Sony 24-105/4 similar diameter at the heavy end and 17/14 lens els/ groups compared to 17/11 for the 12-100 pro. Ok obviously different flange/range but what counts is the diameter of the front ie f no and FL

Same goes comparing 100-400 in m43 with tam/sig SLR 100-400- similar ish weights ( ok the pan is a bit lighter ) but all are similar input pupil dias.

The Sony is 663g and the pro is 561g. I would guess that the pro has a better build quality - more metal maybe.

Lovely lens but I am also put off by the weight - tend to stick to cheap kit lenses for extra reach and just the 12-40 pro for walk around.

One of the main reasons I have the Oly 12-100mm F4 and I have had it for many years, is the IQ and range. For quite a while, I did not have a fast lens for bokeh, and just backed off and would use the 12-100mm F4 between 60-100mm at F4. The bokeh is superb. And it dual syncs with Oly bodies. It is one of the best lenses I have ever owned.

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