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Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

Started Jan 3, 2022 | Polls
Light Pilgrim
Light Pilgrim Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

Folks,

I am very puzzled by the design of the RF 24-105.

My brand new RF 24-105 f4 has these two things:

1. A bit of a loose barrel close to the front

2. Rattling, wobbling and some moving of parts inside when you carry it or shake it

I found this video and this is how it behaves in my case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RhsLPSSu_0

I have contacted Canon CPS and got an answer that my lens was tested and it behaves as designed. They say it is the design of this lens and it is normal.

So let's assess. Do all RF 24-105 owners have it? If yes, it is indeed normal.

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My RF 24-105 is a bit loose and has some barrel play close to the front
27.8% 10  votes
My RF is wobbly and has a rattling sound when shaken a bit
0.0% 0  votes
Zero rattling, barrel has zero play and not wobbly
33.3% 12  votes
Both symptoms present (barrel play/looseness and rattling sound that is not IS)
38.9% 14  votes
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Alowan Forum Member • Posts: 70
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

Just checked mine.. No wobble or play..

Phylloxera Regular Member • Posts: 256
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

This video is no good example because most of the sound comes from IS and would disappear if the lens is sitting on the camera which is switched on.

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Occams Razor Senior Member • Posts: 1,252
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all
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It is annoying to have the loose barrel and rattling but if your lens performs well then you should just learn to live with it.  In 2018, I bought an EOS R with the 24-105 f/4 and my copy of the lens has that condition.  Over the next few months, I would play with other 24-105 lenses when I was in camera stores or Best Buys and I would say roughly 2/3 of the lenses I looked at had some level of play and rattle although some were worse than others.   It seems that Canon's design tolerances creates the potential for play and really poorly done for a L type lens.   I have since sold my R but I have kept the 24-105 and it continues to take great images.

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CameraCarl Veteran Member • Posts: 9,193
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

Does it do these things when installed on a camera body with the IS turned on and operating?  (Lots of lens noises are due to the IS system, especially when the lens is shaken by itself.) And by the way, why would you ever shake a lens just to see if it makes noise?

KENTGA Veteran Member • Posts: 8,727
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

Rather than respond to your survey with a more accurate answer, mine has zero noise when shaken and when it is zoomed out to 105mm There's maybe 1/8" of wobble but no more.

Are you satisfied with the images your lens produces?

If most answers are similar to mine, I'd put some pressure on Canon to repair/replace yours.

Kent

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KEG
KEG Veteran Member • Posts: 4,909
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all
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Light Pilgrim wrote:

Folks,

I am very puzzled by the design of the RF 24-105.

My brand new RF 24-105 f4 has these two things:

1. A bit of a loose barrel close to the front

2. Rattling, wobbling and some moving of parts inside when you carry it or shake it

Mine has none of these features but since it is the 24-105 stm people will attack it for being lousy kit lens and that the L is much better.

I found this video and this is how it behaves in my case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RhsLPSSu_0

I have contacted Canon CPS and got an answer that my lens was tested and it behaves as designed. They say it is the design of this lens and it is normal.

So let's assess. Do all RF 24-105 owners have it? If yes, it is indeed normal.

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KEG

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SteveinLouisville
SteveinLouisville Senior Member • Posts: 1,586
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

No wobble on mine, faint clunking if you shake it, but nothing you can hear just carrying it around on a strap over your shoulder.  Clunking is the IS elements moving a bit.  Supposedly, I have read, this is normal.  Pictures are great.

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hunk Veteran Member • Posts: 3,409
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

yes, mine has lots of wobble.
Works great though, I'm very happy with it. I only use my 24-70 f/2.8 when I need the extra photons.

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Light Pilgrim
OP Light Pilgrim Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

For now, 70% of people with an issue. I think this is a bad design.

Leigh A. Wax Senior Member • Posts: 1,621
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Mine has a bit of barrel play at the long end, and has a faint sound of a moving, internal component when slowly rotated, but nowhere near like the one in that Video.

When you say Canon considered it "normal", was that merely over a back & forth chat,

or a Factory Service Inspection?    If it was the former---seek the latter!

Light Pilgrim
OP Light Pilgrim Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all

Ok, so it is not just me and not just one copy. For now, 75% of users have these issues. It looks like it is a design and a bad one. I am pretty certain there is going to be Mark II that will address these issues. A compromised and a poor design in my opinion. Why would anyone design a lens that is expensive and had a feel of a cheap, poorly designed product.

Purchased it because I have EF 24-105 MKI, which was a so-so lens, but good enough to produce some cracking images. I never liked that built quality of 24-105 EF MKI, but kept it as I was able to produce decent images with it:

Light Pilgrim
OP Light Pilgrim Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all
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Leigh A. Wax wrote:

Mine has a bit of barrel play at the long end, and has a faint sound of a moving, internal component when slowly rotated, but nowhere near like the one in that Video.

When you say Canon considered it "normal", was that merely over a back & forth chat,

or a Factory Service Inspection? If it was the former---seek the latter!

So what I did is this. I have contacted people from Canon that I know. They asked me to send the lens to the official Canon service and I did. I have CPS Platinum. They have inspected the lens and confirmed that:

1. Loose barrel at the front

2. Moving parts (not IS)

IS A NORMAL BEHAVIOUR of this design.

Rock and Rollei Senior Member • Posts: 2,899
Re: Let's clarify RF 24-105 design once and for all
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Light Pilgrim wrote:

Leigh A. Wax wrote:

Mine has a bit of barrel play at the long end, and has a faint sound of a moving, internal component when slowly rotated, but nowhere near like the one in that Video.

When you say Canon considered it "normal", was that merely over a back & forth chat,

or a Factory Service Inspection? If it was the former---seek the latter!

So what I did is this. I have contacted people from Canon that I know. They asked me to send the lens to the official Canon service and I did. I have CPS Platinum. They have inspected the lens and confirmed that:

1. Loose barrel at the front

2. Moving parts (not IS)

IS A NORMAL BEHAVIOUR of this design.

Mine exhibits neither of these - I've owned it for getting on for three years. Now my old EF 24-105 f4L Mk I DID exhibit both of these, as did pretty much all my previous Canon lenses of similar construction - 28-80 USM Mk I, 28-105 f3.5-4.5 USM, 24-85 USM, and 28-135 IS USM. I have had repairs to the 28-105 and 28-135 because of zooming failure, and the EF 24-105 for IS unit and ribbon cable failure, but so far, the RF lens has been remarkably solid in every way. Besides, I've no reason to believe that this sort of behaviour actually led to lens reliability, longevity or performance issues, so ultimately, I'm not entirely sure what the issue is.

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JamieTux Veteran Member • Posts: 4,158
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I don't own it but the Lens I borrowed from Canon had both a rattle and a loose barrel.  It didn't affect the image quality though, it was still great.

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