Happy New Years M!

RLight wrote:

nnowak wrote:

RLight wrote:

MAC wrote:

Nigge wrote:

Happy new year!

Just wish Canon said something about M and aps-c plans so we knew about the direction they will take. Will they terminate it altogether or what’s going on?

they likely don't tip their hand because they want folks to buy RF

we can only hope they circle around down the road to build m5II with IBIS and EFCS

if they did - and siggy releases the 18-50 for m, -- I'd sell my RP

but that may be exactly what they don't want to have happen - because of lost RF lens sales to siggy lens sales on a very advanced future m 18-50, 16, 30, 56

it will be interesting to see if sony lets their apsc die because of these siggy lenses in favor of their sony ff

They just did.

Perhaps they’ve been dying, and Sony just pulled the plug?

Sony is not "pulling the plug" on APS-C. The A5100 and A6100 are discontinued. Sony also discontinued a couple of A7 models. The A6400, A6600, and ZV-E10 are simply on hold due to parts shortages. Sony is simply prioritizing the higher margin models.

Most of the M50 II options are out of stock. Does that mean Canon "pulled the plug" on the M system?

How long will that “hold” be?

When will the pandemic end?

Sony didn’t say. An indefinite “hold” is “pulling the plug”. The parts shortage just gave Sony a convenient out to do what they wanted without backlash.

Sony made a public statement about parts shortages and you think it is a coverup for killing an entire product line. Nice conspiracy theory.  If you have not noticed, Sony has not discontinued or halted production on any lenses.

Of the many things the pandemic has claimed, what has come back? It’s been a convenient excuse to make unpopular business decisions whether it be Costco supreme pizza getting cut, or animal travel on airplanes (snakes on planes anyone? That’s a half joke).

Last I checked, the pandemic was still raging around the world.

Canon may have supply vs demand problems, but they haven’t ceased production.

Are you sure about that?  Most M50 II and M200 kits are out of stock and/or on backorder.  At least with Sony, we have a clear statement on why the A6400 is out of stock.

There’s restaurants up the road from me that still have “temporarily closed” signs up… Over a year later.

dan the man p wrote:

nnowak wrote:

The difference should be obvious. Lack of ongoing development looks a lot different from public announcements on pandemic related production shortages.

Sony discontinued the A7 II from 2014, A5100 from 2014, A7R II from 2015, and A6100 from 2019. Only the A6100 is a recent model. The A6400 and A6600 are from 2019 and ZV-E10 has not even been on the market for 6 months. All three of those models are on a pause due to parts shortages. This is all from Sony's official statements.

Are you sure that Canon has not slowed/stopped production on M models due to parts shortages? In the US, most of the M50 II and M200 kits are out of stock and on backorder. The RP kits are out of stock too.

Based on Canon's official statements, they are focusing on their high-margin models during the pandemic and parts shortages -- the same thing Sony is doing -- but they haven't abandoned or stopped production of the M.

And what was the excuse before the pandemic?  The last M lens launched almost a year and a half before any pandemic related lockdowns.

For the record, I never claimed Canon has stopped production of M cameras.  I was responding to the nonsense from someone else who was claiming Sony's production disruptions were just a front for killing off the entire Sony APS-C lineup.

dan the man p wrote:

nnowak wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

nnowak wrote:

The difference should be obvious. Lack of ongoing development looks a lot different from public announcements on pandemic related production shortages.

Sony discontinued the A7 II from 2014, A5100 from 2014, A7R II from 2015, and A6100 from 2019. Only the A6100 is a recent model. The A6400 and A6600 are from 2019 and ZV-E10 has not even been on the market for 6 months. All three of those models are on a pause due to parts shortages. This is all from Sony's official statements.

Are you sure that Canon has not slowed/stopped production on M models due to parts shortages? In the US, most of the M50 II and M200 kits are out of stock and on backorder. The RP kits are out of stock too.

Based on Canon's official statements, they are focusing on their high-margin models during the pandemic and parts shortages -- the same thing Sony is doing -- but they haven't abandoned or stopped production of the M.

And what was the excuse before the pandemic? The last M lens launched almost a year and a half before any pandemic related lockdowns.

The story is not hard to comprehend and has been explained over and over. Canon has been working on filling out their lineup of full-frame mirrorless cameras for the last several years. This is based on their own statements. Why are Sony's official statements good enough for you, but not Canon's?

I think you are completely misinterpreting my posts.  Again, I never said Canon had killed off the M system.  I believe both Sony and Canon are facing pandemic related parts shortages.  Besides the cited Sony models, the M50 II, M200, and RP kits are out of stock.  RLight is the one making nonsense claims that the pandemic parts shortage is just a front to kill off an entire APS-C lineup.

The EOS M system is clearly not a priority for them, but that also doesn't mean it's dead. The last body, which you unsurprisingly left out of your post by arbitrarily limiting it to lenses only, was released just over a year ago, well into the pandemic.

And it was just a firmware update to the original M50.

Since then, the only things that have changed are that the pandemic has dragged on longer than most people hoped, and there is now a worldwide chip shortage. None of this gives any reason to believe Canon's stance on EOS M has changed.

It is far more than chip shortages.  Our local school district just posted that the local creamery can not get enough cardboard milk cartons for school lunches.

For the record, I never claimed Canon has stopped production of M cameras. I was responding to the nonsense from someone else who was claiming Sony's production disruptions were just a front for killing off the entire Sony APS-C lineup.