How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear

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Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 2,009
How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear
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This is an addendum to Article 5, Solution 4, of this thread…

BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

… where I talked about a DIY (Do It Yourself) solution I use for quick front access to ILC gear at waist level (using my old LowePro Nova 2 as a “portable ICU.”) This tutorial describes how to adapt a bag for such use. As always, members of my community made very helpful contributions. While some of them have designed their own, far more complex solutions, those require special tools and expertise so I will stick here to our “standard”, super-simple solutions.

Tutorial Objective: adding two long belt loops to a small to medium gear bag to make it super easy to pull it out of your backpack and carry it safely and comfortably at your side(s) on any walk or hike. We simply call these SIDE BAGS.

A – Where to start?

First, measure the height (looking from the side) of your preferred backpack(s)’ padded waist belt. Because these are often “tapered” you need to measure it at two locations:

Height 1 (H1): at point A, where the belt connects to the pack’s lower frame

H2: (often shorter/smaller) at point B, where the belt padding meets the beginning of the webbed belt itself (the one that ends with a male or female belt buckle and snaps shut roughly in front of your navel.)

Note that these measurement can vary quite a bit. On our small Deuter Futuras H1 is 5 inches but on the big Varios it’s nearly 6 inches. On the small Gregory I use as a chest-carry pack (see Article 5, solution 5) it’s 5.5 inches at H1 but that drops off quickly (making step 6 below crucial) and there’s also little belt padding. The Quechua MH500 has a much “flatter” design, etc.

B – What bags should you use?

Basically anything you like: a large pouch, a small to medium-sized shoulder bag, an ICU (the LP Gearup mentioned here works well), a holster bag, etc. We have found only two categories of bags that do not work: those made of fragile “pleather” (fake, “plastic leather”) and those that are very rigid, since you want the part of the bag that will rest against your side to have some degree of “give” so that it will somewhat conform to the slight curve of your body.

Important

– You do not want a bag that is wider than the distance between points A and B. If you do that, the front of the Side Bag will tend to slop at an angle onto your front webbed belt.

– We have found that bags with a width not exceeding 10 inches (~ 25 cm) work best. However, you can go wider if you have a girth (waist line) above 40 inches.

– Some bags already have a belt pass-through (two loops or a “tunnel”) but these, being designed for standard belts, are usually no more than 2 inches long (tall), nowhere near enough to go over a backpack's padded waist/hip belt.

C – Where can you find such bags?

Before you rush to buy (yet another?) bag, consider my own stats about the 17 small and medium photo packs I still own (I have a few more large ones which I had bought for video shoots with those humongous old video cams, back in the day, plus two large drawers full of smaller bags and pouches):

– Only four have standard (short) belt loops that will go over your pants’ belt.

– Only one (a small Tamrac 601 bought in the eighties) has a long belt loop (5 inches, covers the entire height of the bag’s back, see picture below.) I ran a poll with my community, where many people own far more bags than I do, and only three others also found within their stash, an old model that has a long belt loop. But, you may wonder, what about newer bags? Well, I did the homework for you and I looked online at every brand and model I could possibly find. The results? Not a single one has a long belt loop. That’s the bad news…

– The good news is that you can easily retrofit most small to medium bags to slide over your backpack’s padded waist belt, and chances are you already own one or more such bags… Time to look inside those old closets! Frankly, I myself had no idea that I could actually retrofit another 5 bags, should I ever need to.

Just for reference, here are the capacities (inside volume, main compartment) of the 3 Side Bags pictured in this article:

Little beige Tamrac 601: 2.4 liters

Black Minolta (got it with a Minolta cam bought eons ago): 4 liters

LowePro Nova 2 (bought about 15 years ago): 5 liters

D – Supplies you need

1a) A quality punch hole and a wood block (I strongly advise hard wood such as oak or maple, prepare for horrible holes with frayed edges in your bag if you use soft wood!) plus four 5/8 inch long, 1/4 inch diameter round-head bolts, four 1/4 inch locking nylon nuts, four 3/4 inch diameter fender washers and four 1 inch diameter fender washers.

Note that standard rivets do not work. There is only one guy in my community who has successfully used rivets for this project but he says that even though he used his professional Press Riveting Tool with large, special-order rivets, he still doesn’t feel comfortable loading his side bag with more than 5 pounds.

OR

1b) One leather sewing kit with an awl, needles and a roll of waxed thread cord. These are easy to find online but your local Fabric Store will probably have the higher-quality stuff, not to mention knowledgeable staffers.

2) The strapping material you will use to make the 2 long loops that will go over your pack’s waist belt. Look for a strap that is at least one and a half inches wide, strong (most woven or webbed materials are fine) but soft enough not to dig into the side of your body when you hike with bare chest or mid-riff in hot weather.

Ideal sources are:

- old pants belts (woven fabric/poly blend or soft leather.) Chances are that you will have far more choices among women’s models. If you don’t find any around your house, ask friends and family, you might be surprised at how many belts sit around, unused!

- old camera shoulder straps.

- unused luggage straps, etc.

3) Sharp scissors

E – How to make and install the 2 long belt loops that will slide over your backpack’s padded waist belt

First, decide:

a) Do you want to have the bag’s lid open against your body, or away from it? Truth be told, the latter is rarely possible since there are very few shoulder or holster bags that do not have a zippered pocket, an overlapping lid, buckles, etc. on their front panel. Fastening your new loops to this panel would obviously make using these features impossible: not good.

b) Do you want to install two new loops of the same length, in which case you can use your bag on both sides, or two new loops of unequal lengths, in which case loop A is longer than loop B. The latter gives you a tighter fit, but I would advise against it because it is really nice to have the flexibility to use your Side Bag on either side of the waist belt. This also makes it easier to use it with different backpacks, obviously a huge plus. As you will see, we have several ways of preventing the side bag from sliding off anyway.

Option 1A

For the purpose of this step by step tutorial we will assume the “standard” setup with 2 loops of the same length fastened to the rear panel of your Side Bag:

[Quick reminder for our non-Imperial friends: 1 inch = 2.54 centimeters]

1 - Place your backpack on a table with the backpanel facing up and place your small bag next to its bottom, rear panel facing up as well. Now close the pocket zipper on that side of the waist belt and place it on top of the small bag’s rear panel with the top of the waist belt roughly 1/2 inch below the top of the rear panel. Make a T1 mark at half an inch from the top (or T1 + T2 if you will carry heavy loads, see below.) This is where your upper bolt will go (see pictures.)

2 – Grab whatever wide belt or strap you have decided to use and place one end at the very top of the side bag’s rear panel, run it over the padded waist belt and down toward the bottom of the backpanel, keeping it snug but not too tight. Make one mark L1 at half an inch below where the loop meets the rear panel. This is where your lower bolt will go. Note that even with heavy gear, only one bolt is needed here since the lower part of the loop is not load-bearing.

3 – Draw a line two inches below the L1 line and cut the strap with the scissors there. Yes, this gives you an excess 1 1/2 inches but leave it alone for now as you may decide that L1 is not quite low enough after testing your side bag. You may also desire to punch one or more holes later in order to be able to adapt your side bags to larger backpacks. You can always snip the slack anyway.

4 – Take your side bag to a work bench or a concrete pad, put your hard wood block inside the bag and place your two new long belt loop strips vertically on the rear panel. How far apart should they be? The consensus is 4 to 6 inches. More than that and your side bag will not be able to slightly curve in and follow the contour of your body.

Using a sharp 3/16 inch Hollow Puncher and your hard wood block, punch holes at T1 and L1 through both the strips and the rear panel of your bag. It is perfectly okay to place L1 on the bottom panel in case your side bag is not quite tall enough (see black bag photo below.)

Tip: if you’ve never done this before, be sure to first practice punching holes on an old bag and strap.

5 – Insert each bolt assembly through the holes (yes, the holes are slightly smaller than the bolts in diameter, but this is on purpose) so that all parts are in the following order, starting from the inside of the bag:

Bolt head, 1 inch diameter fender washer, bag’s rear panel, strap strip, 3/4 inch diameter fender washer, 1/4 inch locking nylon nut.

Option 1B

The steps are the same, except of course #4. Instead of punching holes, you stitch/sew the 2 strips to the rear panel. Be sure to run your sewing patterns tightly (the 1/4 inch open-cell foam that constitutes the bag’s padding should be compressed hard.)

TIPS

A– The hip belt pocket should still be usable for fairly flat, non-compressible objects. I personally keep my pocket knife in there.

B – If your Side Bag’s load exceeds 10 pounds (~ 4.5 kilos) I strongly recommend that you use a wider loop (2 inches or more) each with 2 top bolts. Another cool trick is to add a standard school wooden ruler at the top of the rear panel, connecting the four top bolts (just snip the extra length off.) This adds very little weight but spreads the heavy load much better across the top of your backpack’s waist belt.

C – Most shoulder bags come with a long, adjustable strap. You can of course remove it, but if you’re like me you want to keep it for when you just need to go on that quick photo outing after setting camp. So what I do is simply run the shoulder strap snug below the bag and then shove the excess length inside the right side pocket, stash it below or behind the Side Bag, etc. )see pics.)

D – If your bag came with a rain cover, adding the 2 long belt loops does not majorly impact its effectiveness. If it did not, simply keep a small, high-quality trash bag at the bottom of your side bag as I do. It takes no space and works great.

E – To avoid any potential issues with the inside bolt heads scratching your gear, cover them with snap-on bolt caps or with an extra layer of ICU divider material (I don't since I've never had any problem.) If you’re still not happy, use Option 1B.

F – Once you have inserted your waist belt through the 2 long loops, I strongly recommend that you always fasten your side bag to the backpack frame near point A. This will prevent the Side Bag from ever sliding forward when you drop your pack or simply bend down to tie your laces. What you want to do is connect the Side Bag’s rear Triglide or D-ring (the one used to attach the shoulder belt) to any lash point on the bottom or lower side of the backpack. How? You have many options: Carabiner, Elastic cord or Paracord with hook or cord lock, a short compression strap, etc. (see pics for examples.)

SIDE BAGS: WHAT WE LIKE

Superb Convenience and Practicality

Ready to shoot? Pull your Side Bag(s) out of your backpack, slide it over your waist belt, fasten it to the pack and you are done: all your gear is now front-accessible, be it for an hour or all day long. Lens swaps are a cinch, and you can easily have more than one rig ready to shoot instantly. Many of our members routinely use two side bags, typically one for WA (Wide Angle) gear and one for Tele gear, both of which go back in their DFV60 backpack (Deuter Futura Vario 50+10, see Article 2 for review) when they are done.

Excellent Load Transfer plus Improved Posture

The weight of your side bags rests on your hip bones, one of the strongest part of your body, and in front of your CG (Center of Gravity) plane. This allows you to stand more erect than when you had all that weight inside your backpack, which improves your posture and your gait. This in turn reduces fatigue, as I have experienced myself on many long hikes.

Lighting Fast Access

Your side bags are always there, right where you need them. No blindly reaching back to try and grab that rig or those lenses via that much-hyped “side access” feature (you’d have to be a contortionist to see what’s back there, which the manufacturer claims of course never mention…)

Better yet, they do not get in the way of using other smart solutions. An old friend of mine routinely hikes with 3 MFT rigs at the ready. One EM1.3 with zoom clipped to a Universal Keyhole nicely centered on his chest, another EM1.3 with 300mm + TC in a side bag, and a EM5.3 with that awesome 8-25 mm in the other side bag. I’ve also hiked with a birder friend who still uses two of his beloved but huge DSLR Tele rigs, each stashed inside at his side inside a very long holster case.

Great Versatility

You can turn pretty much any bag you have into a side bag, as long as it’s no wider than about 10 inches (more if you have a very large waist line.) Better yet, you do not have to use those bags just for photo gear. Some of our members use them for holding snacks for the kids, stashing trash on trail cleanup day, receptacle for berries and other harvested wild foods, holder for water bottles, container full of nuts and acorns for feeding squirrels out in the woods, etc.

More f-stops

One noticeable benefit of these Side Bags is that you can use them as a resting point for your elbow on certain types of shots, which easily gains you several stops. In fact, you gain up to 10 stops in total if you combine this with a stellar IBIS such as the ones found on MFT Olympus gear (one of the reasons it’s used by the majority in my community, along with that incredible WR, portability, high IQ, etc.) A side benefit of this is that you tend to leave your tripod at home, meaning less weight to carry, and less things to worry about!

Theft protection

It is literally impossible for a thieve to do a “rip-and-run” or “slash-and-run” on a side bag fastened to a wide hip belt as described in this article.

Low cost

You should be able to find the hardware needed for Option 1A for under $5. As to Option 1B, a good cobbler or upholstery shop will stitch the two loops you bought him/her for about $10, often less.

WHAT WE DO NOT LIKE

Your Side Bag sticks out to the side several inches more than a full standard belt pocket does. If your shooting routine involves short walks/hikes or moving slowly between shots, this won’t affect you. If, like us, you tend to hike at a good clip between shots, your normal arms swing is affected since you have to keep your elbows out. Not a big deal though, you get used to it pretty quickly.

How Side Bags compare to other front-carry, WAIST-LEVEL solutions

Versus the same bag simply slung over the front part of your backpack’s belt (if it has short belt loops, which few bags actually do)

This is something we have tried and the results are not pretty! Assuming you are willing to deal with the fact that your front belt buckle becomes really hard to access, you now have a bag that bangs against your crotch area on every step: not fun especially if you are a guy (your dangly bits will not appreciate!)

Versus daisy-chain attachments and belt pouches

I personally love daisy-chain lash points – also called M.O.L.L.E (Modular Lightweight Load-Carrying Equipment) or M.A.S. (Modular Accessories System) – but there is a reason why manufacturers are rarely ever using these on waist belts anymore: waist belt pockets are far superior in terms of practicality (just unzip and you have instant access to whatever’s inside) and comfort since the contents will not bang against your side while you walk as they do inside pouches (those are usually too small for cam gear anyway.) Of course, belt zip pockets are also small, way too small in fact, but hey, we are solving that problem here.

Versus camera clips

Clips such as the Spider of CC actually work well on a wide, strong pants’ belt (at least you’re not totally crushing your expensive backpack’s padded shoulder strap…) even though they do not prevent your rig from banging against your body on anything but super slow walks. The problem most of us have found is that wearing such a belt plus a backpack’s wide and padded hip belt is super uncomfortable, not to mention that you loose access to your cam clip unless you wear the pants belt extremely low, in which case it cuts into your lower abdomen on every step.

Versus a photo bag like the Mindshift Rotation

To its credit, the Mindshift Rotation 180 is one of the rare photo bags that is more than just a fancy, horribly overpriced ICU with shoulder straps schlepped on. It has a clever lower compartment that can rotate from your right lumbar area to the front, which is in theory pretty similar to a Side Bag. In practice however, while the rotating compartment works well, you cannot use it with any other bag at waist level. And we have also found serious issues such as the sweat-inducing Pressure Panel that also creates pain points on your back (not even close to being in the same league as a TMP), the thin waist belt, no rain cover, etc.

Versus a Waist / Lumbar Pack

Both systems have roughly the same functionality but while Side Bags can be used with both PP (Pressure Panel) and TMP (Tensioned Mesh Panel) packs, as long as they have a wide, decent waist belt, Fanny Packs only work well with TMP packs. More on this on a future article that will bring you the results of our tests of the leading waist packs.

Deuter Futura 50+10 with 2 Side Bags

CONCLUSION

Making your own Side Bag is a great, easy DIY solution. It is extremely cheap as well as hugely more comfortable, protective and versatile than most other options.

Okay folks, that’s about it. If you have found this tutorial helpful, simply click the little thumb-up thingy at top right. Have fun with this little DIY project, you might be surprised at how much it changes your photo outings!

As always, on-topic comments and questions are welcome.

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Links to a few resources I published here to help my fellow photographers:
R1: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4574941
R2: Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585593
R3: How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4594146
R4: Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585015
R5: Best carry on wheeled backpack you've never heard of https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4446343

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EDH Shooter New Member • Posts: 9
Re: How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear

Chris 222 wrote:

This is an addendum to Article 5, Solution 4, of this thread…

BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

Deuter Futura 50+10 with 2 Side Bags

I went from "hey that's an interesting setup" to "for the love of God NOOOO" once I got to the photos of the sharp metal hardware all over the bags.  Pick up a needle and sturdy thread or better yet take it to a seamstress and ask to have the straps sewn on.  Please.

OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 2,009
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EDH Shooter wrote:

Chris 222 wrote:

This is an addendum to Article 5, Solution 4, of this thread…

BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

I went from "hey that's an interesting setup" to "for the love of God NOOOO" once I got to the photos of the sharp metal hardware all over the bags. Pick up a needle and sturdy thread or better yet take it to a seamstress and ask to have the straps sewn on. Please.

The metal probably looks sharp because it's so shiny. It's actually brand new, the old hardware had rusted after years of abuse and this was a good opportunity to swap it out (I tried but failed to find it in stainless steel.)

As I stated, I've personally had no scratching issue whatsoever, possibly in part because I keep a small trash bag at the bottom (plus I always stash my lenses with caps on) and the side bolt heads are often covered with the bag dividers, which I had removed for the pics.

But do go ahead and use the stitching option if that makes you more comfortable. My wonderful old cobbler passed away a couple years ago so that would not have been an option for me anyway, had I started from scratch.

Ken Gosden Veteran Member • Posts: 3,067
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Chris, I would think the easy solution to scratching concerns would be just to take a small section of material about 3-4 times as long as the bolt head diameter. Then put a hole through one end so the bolt can use it like a washer. Then fold the longer portion over the bolt head and use a few stitches to secure the other end to the inside of the bag after tightening the bolts. Alternately, if you are not afraid of adhesives, cover the bolt heads with those thin felt furniture pads for chair and table legs.

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 2,009
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Ken Gosden wrote:

Chris, I would think the easy solution to scratching concerns would be just to take a small section of material about 3-4 times as long as the bolt head diameter. Then put a hole through one end so the bolt can use it like a washer. Then fold the longer portion over the bolt head and use a few stitches to secure the other end to the inside of the bag after tightening the bolts.

Sure Ken, that would work. An easier one, and essentially what I've been doing for many years, is cover the bolt heads, which by the way are round, and not sharp, with the bag's dividers.

Along the same lines, you could just cut a short strip of double-sided H@L, such as Velcro OneWrap, and cover the hardware with that. It's a bit easier with bags that have the entire liner made of Veltex (see R3 for more on this)

Again though, scratches have never been a problem for me. And I've used my Side Bags with a lot of ILC gear, MFT, APSC, FF, and even a BigAssElblad.

Alternately, if you are not afraid of adhesives, cover the bolt heads with those thin felt furniture pads for chair and table legs.

Nice idea but I can tell you from experience that nothing adhesive stays put in the heat on something as soft and pliable as these bags. Not even the strongest types of quack tape (plus, once they've detached from the fabric they make a horrible goopy mess... LOL.)

D Lynch Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
Thanks Chris!
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Great idea!

Easy to reach.

Galen Rowell was an amazing photographer. He used to write monthly in Outdoor Photographer.

He developed a line of bags for real photographers.

He didn't have pretty bags. He just made it easier to get to his camera then shoot fast.

When I first started shooting I took the Nikon School in Ottawa ONtario. They had an exercise.

They got everyone to put their camera away as they would carry it.

Then they asked us all to take out our cameras, compose, set exposure and shoot. They timed it. Some people took longer than others.

Shooter's bags allow the quickest response.

Storage bags take longer. Sometimes a lot longer.

Good bags allow me to get more keepers. Good images that are worth keeping.

It was fascinating.

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 2,009
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Here are two options for those of you who can’t or won’t make their own Side Bag.

Wandrd Route Pack: $69

https://www.wandrd.com/products/route-pack

This one is expandable and also works nicely as a chest pack.

Decathlon Forclaz Travel Trekking Camera Bag (“Sacoche Appareil Photo de Trekking Voyage”) : $20 or 15 Euros

A simple but highly functional side bag. The side pockets work great for lens caps and small accessories.

As of this writing, availability seems to be nil or scarce in some regions, USA included. Call your local Decathlon store or go to your country’s site and look for item 8486728

Both bags come with a very basic shoulder strap.

Note that I provide this info as merely a starting point for your own research on what photo gear may fit in these bags. Astonishingly, both Wandrd and Decathlon make their customers’ life really hard by not bothering to list the size of these bags on their web site (you can’t make this up!)

This being said, the pass-through on both bags is tall enough to slide over the hip belt of many backpacks. Remember to add your own quick detach system, as described in my OP above, in order to fasten a rear D-ring or loop of the bag to your backpack or if will slide off and fall to the ground when you mount or dismount your backpack.

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Links to a few resources I published here to help my fellow photographers:
R1: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)
R2: Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags
R3: How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit)
R4: How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear
R5: Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank
R6: Best carry on wheeled backpack you've never heard of

No Time To Lose Regular Member • Posts: 420
Re: How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear

Chris, thanks very much for this. These look like a great option to help with camera gear with TMP-style hiking backpacks which don't typically have the same organisational / ease of access features that photo-specific packs tend to have.

Decathlon are currently have the Forclaz side bags in stock online in the UK at £14.99. If they workout for me (can always return if they don't), that's a no-brainer vs making my own!

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 2,009
Re: How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear

No Time To Lose wrote:

Chris, thanks very much for this. These look like a great option to help with camera gear with TMP-style hiking backpacks which don't typically have the same organisational / ease of access features that photo-specific packs tend to have.

Decathlon are currently have the Forclaz side bags in stock online in the UK at £14.99. If they workout for me (can always return if they don't), that's a no-brainer vs making my own!

My pleasure Richard, and I totally agree, assuming it fits your gear of course. This being said, bags that are roughly this size fit a great many small to medium rigs. With MFT you may even be able to drop another lens or two in there!

Ken Gosden Veteran Member • Posts: 3,067
Re: How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear

Chris 222 wrote:

No Time To Lose wrote:

Chris, thanks very much for this. These look like a great option to help with camera gear with TMP-style hiking backpacks which don't typically have the same organisational / ease of access features that photo-specific packs tend to have.

Decathlon are currently have the Forclaz side bags in stock online in the UK at £14.99. If they workout for me (can always return if they don't), that's a no-brainer vs making my own!

My pleasure Richard, and I totally agree, assuming it fits your gear of course. This being said, bags that are roughly this size fit a great many small to medium rigs. With MFT you may even be able to drop another lens or two in there!

I just got the Decathlon Forclaz camera bag and it looks like a great fit on the hip belt of the CosySpeed. It slides right over the pouch integrated into the hip belt. Most likely I won't get to try it loaded for a few weeks.  Looks like the bag is now out of stock on the Decathlon store.  It was a great deal at $10 when I ordered it last week.

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No Time To Lose Regular Member • Posts: 420
Decathlon Forclaz Side Bags

On Chris’ recommendation, I bought one so thought I would post a few photos and some initial comments:

First, exterior dimensions (approx):

W= 27cm, H= 18cm, D= 16cm.

It can fit a couple of M43 lenses or an EM1.3 + 12-100mm.

12-100mm + PL 8-18

Hoods reversed

EM1X is too big

There are a couple of small exterior mesh pockets large enough to take lens caps

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The only thing I am initially hesitant about is that it only has a single strap at the back for mounting on the backpack waist strap. Time will tell when in use.

It has a thin shoulder strap.

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Ken Gosden Veteran Member • Posts: 3,067
Re: Decathlon Forclaz Side Bags

No Time To Lose wrote:

On Chris’ recommendation, I bought one so thought I would post a few photos and some initial comments:

First, exterior dimensions (approx):

W= 27cm, H= 18cm, D= 16cm.

It can fit a couple of M43 lenses or an EM1.3 + 12-100mm.

12-100mm + PL 8-18

Hoods reversed

EM1X is too big

There are a couple of small exterior mesh pockets large enough to take lens caps

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The only thing I am initially hesitant about is that it only has a single strap at the back for mounting on the backpack waist strap. Time will tell when in use.

It has a thin shoulder strap.

Interesting, the one I bought last week is slightly different, It has a double V shaped belt strap on the back. Also has a little cinch cord on the front.  The dimensions are the same.  It is almost impossible to lookup on the Decathlon website.  Seems everything they sell is named "Forclaz"  including shoelaces and hiking poles

https://www.decathlon.com/products/hiking-bag-for-reflex-camera?variant=44819114317

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Side bags, crash-proof enclosures, backpack mods and other DIY projects by creative photographers

Given that is has plenty of posts left, I am re-dedicating this R4 thread to Side Bags PLUS all things related to DIY (Do It Yourself) posts about improvements and mods (modifications) made by their owners to backpacks and certain other gear.

Here are my simple rules:

1 – This thread is about Do It Yourself projects that focus on improvements you made yourself to your backpack, bag or useful accessories in order to make it easier to use your photographic and walking/hiking equipment.

2 – DIY projects about tripods, monopods and other such “hard” gear are strictly prohibited (there are already over one million posts about those on DPR forums, many of which are repeating the same things ad nauseam… Want more? Heck, start your own!)

3 – Be precise and descriptive. Whenever possible, list web links to parts and accessories you used.

4 – It’s perfectly okay to post photos of your project, but outside web links to photos or videos of your DIY project must have been produced and published by you.

5 – Not sure if your project belongs to this thread? Shoot me a PM with a short description.

Thanks for staying on topic and for sharing your creativity and inventiveness!

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5 cool DIY solutions for protecting your precious photo gear

FAQ 25

I shoot a lot of skiddish wildlife. What packs do you folks use for long and heavy rigs and how do you get those in and out of the bag? Also, how do you protect your rig in case of a bad fall?

Please note: This FAQ completely replaces my original FAQ 7, published in R1 thread, Article 6. This version contains the same FAQ 25 as in the R1 thread, plus the Technical Guides that allow you to build some of these projects yourself. Enjoy!

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Here are the inside measurements (collar raised and then slightly cinched for obvious reasons) for the packs we use the most with long combos (go back to Articles 1 to 6 for more about these packs):

DFP40: 18" to the bottom divider, 24" to the actual bottom with divider unzipped (the DFP44EL is about 3” longer)

DFV60: 22" to the bottom divider, 29" to the actual bottom with divider unzipped

The CP44 works well too with up to 27" to the actual bottom with divider unzipped

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Rig Protection

All 5 options below offer varying degrees of protection for your rig or main lens, should you ever experience a crash. Speaking of which, you may safely ignore the armchair fearmongers who claim that you should be worried about damaging your cam every single time you take a fall, unless you keep it inside a bag or pack that looks like Fort Knox. Why? Well, let’s look at what actually happens during the main types of fall (in other words, not based on internet gossip but on events I and others in my community have personally experienced):

A – Small crashes such as falling on your butt

This almost always occurs on steep, slippery downhills (mud, unstable rocks, ice, etc.) and it actually happens to me about 20 times a year. The pack sometimes hits the ground pretty hard, but it only travels 2 to 3 feet until impact and in decades of hiking I have never damaged a lens of cam inside my backpack, even though, as many of you know, I tend to keep my small to medium rigs inside a “portable ICU” (small photo bag or waist bag) in my pack’s bottom compartment. In other words, a simple padded bag or ICU sitting on top of the rain cover offers about 1 inch of cushioning, which is sufficient protection against minor crashes. Anything that sits higher up in the pack is, obviously, even more protected.

B – Medium to severe crashes

Bottom line: when you are loosing your footing and tumbling down a ravine or a cliff (which I would surmise has not happened to 99% of you, but I can tell you from experience that this always happens by surprise) the last thing you want to worry about is your gear! Such crashes exert violent forces and often result in injuries, even when roped in, or in death.

Okay, so… you survived that fall, but what about your photo gear? Understand that because camera inserts have thin walls and dividers (only made of 1/4” to 1/2” thick foam) plus occasionally a thin layer of cardboard or TPU (plastic), they can only offer minimal protection. There is not a single ICU out there, whether built-in (Kata, Atlas, Think Tank, etc.) or free-standing (too many brands to list) that can offer your precious gear sufficient protection from anything from a (not uncommon) side fall on some rocks, to a severe crash down the mountain. The only way to achieve this is by placing it inside a thick PE Foam Cradle or Foam Shield (see options 4A and 4B below) and inside your backpack or any other pack.

Option 1: rig facing UP inside backpack

Some of us place our long rigs facing up inside the pack. This makes it easier to keep the lens hood on. Cam access is through the top of the backpack for very long rigs or via the front panel for shorter ones. The rig is usually surrounded by padding made of clothing, various compression packs used as organizers, etc.

Note that most polycarbonate and aluminum / magnesium alloy modern bodies have excellent structural integrity (bodies are tested to handle weights that are multiple times that of the heaviest lenses) and while we have had cracked lens hoods when those were kept extended, facing down (see how to avoid this issue below) inside the pack, we’ve had zero damage such as a cracked LCD or EVF, even with very long and heavy lenses sitting on top of the body on long hikes, with the rig facing up. Nevertheless, it is wise to place your rig above a few sheets of closed-cell foam, a jacket, a sleeping bag, etc.

Option 2: rig facing DOWN inside backpack, lens inside hard tube

Others prefer placing their rig facing down, lens first, inside a plastic or cardboard tube that is a tad wider and longer than the lens and/or hood (look for such tubes at your local hardware or art supplies store.) The cam body rests on the top rim of the tube (do add a 3/4 inch gasket closed-cell foam or rubber gasket there to ensure that the fn or other buttons close to the lens don’t rest on a hard surface), making the rig super easy to pull out or drop in. The area around the tube is filled with clothes or food which are still easy to access if needed via the front panel. Filling the side bellows pockets (DFV60) with gear also helps to keep the tube centered. Here, cam access is usually through the top only.

Option 3: rig facing down inside pack, lens inside foam tube

Same as above except that the tube is made of closed-cell foam that comes from a standard, inexpensive camping mattress pad (see R2 for details.) The (obvious) advantages are:

– You can make one in about 2 minutes. Just cut the foam and secure with strong tape or rivets.
– Super low cost.
– You can make it as thin or thick as you like, from about 1/3 inch (the thickness of most camera inserts’ walls and dividers) to several inches.
– There is no need to add a foam gasket at the top

Option 4: DIY Foam Cradle (excellent protection) or Foam Shield (ultimate protection)

4A: Foam Cradle

You drop your rig, with or without additional lenses and accessories, lens pointing down, in one single block of foam out of which you have carved one or more cavities. You therefore have good to excellent protection, (depending on the thickness of the shield) on 5 sides: bottom, front, back, left, right.

This is the best option if:

– you require lightning-quick access to your rig(s).

– you are not satisfied with the flimsy protection offered by the sides and dividers shipped with bags or ICUs. In this case, making one or more Foam Cradles for your most used rigs and lenses is a fantastic alternative.

This option works great with a waist pack, a small bag, a Side Bag (see post 1 above) or a front-carry backpack.

– you do not want the pack to “collapse” when empty, which makes your gear very hard to drop back in (a common problem with all waist packs fitted with an ICU or dividers.)

Note that you it’s entirely up to you to decide what type of Foam Cradle you desire.

Option 4A1

If you want pulling your rig(s) out and dropping them back in, to be super easy, simply carve the holes just a bit wide (1/4 inch is fine.) For example, this works great for one of our members who has a Mountainsmith Day carried on his front with a double-hole Cradle: one deep cavity for his Olympus EM5.3 + Oly 100-400 rig (this one is tall and sticks out, the body is removed when the pack needs to be zipped) and one shallow cavity for his Oly EM1.3 + Oly 12-45 rig (that one is short and easily fits inside.) With such an arrangement you obviously need to be mindful while hiking very technical sections (in this case our friend simply keeps one hand on top on both Oly bodies.)

Option 4A2

If you prefer to never have to worry about gear falling out, either close the top of your bag (assuming it’s deep enough to swallow all the gear) or make the holes very snug (see Technical Guide referenced below.) Note that you will obtain a level of protection very close to that of a Foam Shield if you make the holes both snug and deep enough so that the top of you rig and/or lenses sits about 1 inch below the top of your Cradle.

4B: Foam Shield
This one is composed of two half-blocks of foam. You drop your entire rig, with or without additional lenses and accessories, inside the lower block, which you have built to size, and then place the upper block of foam on top. You then wrap and lock the whole shield with anything you like (bungee cords, webbing straps, etc.) You now have very good to outstanding protection (depending on the thickness of the shield) on all 6 sides of your rig: top, bottom, front, back, left, right.

This is the best option if:

– you need an enclosure that is both highly protective and a perfect fit for your gear.

– you use very long lenses/rigs for which no truly protective case exists (for example, a Canon 1D series with one of the monster tele lenses) or the case adds a ton of weight and volume to the rig, like the ones offered by Apache (Harborfreight’s home-brand), Pelican or similar brands which are also hard, slippery and very difficult to fit inside a backpack.

– you want the flexibility to place the foam block facing up or down inside your pack, without ever worrying about any damage whatsoever, including to the hood when it is attached to the lens in its extended position.

In summary, while option 4B is by far your best option (and, to be realistic, your only option) if you desire custom, lightweight, supreme crash protection for your gear, my community uses any of the 5 options described above for anything from city strolls to hiking, climbing, mountain biking, risky water sports (bag or backpack goes inside a dry sack), motorcycling, ice caving, etc.

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Here are my TECHNICAL GUIDES AND TIPS for Options 4A and 4B

Which foam to use?

After testing all sorts of foam over the years, we strongly favor PE foam (PolyEthylene.) It's way better than anything else for shock absorption (which actually gets higher with PE as the impact gets stronger), it’s super light, it’s closed-cell, it floats, it dampens vibrations, it’s anti-static, it has excellent resilience and it cuts very cleanly with a sharp knife or cutter. This is the also the only material I would recommend for making a foam block such as the ones described in Article 5: Front daypack internal organization

Here is what PE foam looks like

… and here is a good PE primer: http://www.usafoam.com/closedcellfoam/polyethylene.html

Shippers and industries buy PE foam for very cheap in bulk but it can be quite expensive at retail. It's used extensively for shipping some heavy or fragile items (electronics, chinaware, etc.) but you may also find it locally at appliance stores, furniture stores, auto repair shops, etc. Once they have received the goods, this stuff often ends up in the landfill, so unless you’ve already saved some blocks you have personally received inside boxes shipped to you (I have been doing this for years since I use PE foam to ship fragile gifts to family members) ask your local stores if they would give you some leftover PE blocks instead. Maximum thickness out of the factory can be up to several inches but with the right glue you can use as many layers as you want. I recommend using PE foam with a minimum density of 2LB.

As an added bonus, we have found that PE is a rather remarkable thermal insulator. Here is a personal anecdote: a few years ago I had a few terrific day hikes near a chalet owned by a friend who has made several Foam Shields, each for a specific type of gear. Weather was super hot and on day one I carried a couple Nalgene bottles plus my usual large thermos bottle filled with half water and half ice. Six hours into the hike, that water was, obviously, still super cold. On day two, I replaced it with a 48 ounces Nalgene bottle also filled with half water and half ice, which I placed inside my friend’s large Foam Shield, after removing the DSLR+TZ lens he had lent me, and placing it on my chest in order to shoot wildlife. Imagine my surprise when six hours into that hike, the water inside was still nearly as cold as it had been with the Thermos, even though the rest of the pack, having been hammered by the sun since morning, was super hot… I was certainly not expecting such great insulation!

Notes:

1) Here are some types of foam that are NOT recommended

We have found the popular “pluck” foam type (also called “cubed” or “pick-and-pull “ foam) flimsy, to be not durable and with poor shock absorption. It works okay inside a Pelican or Apache case but not well at all for this application since it is also not durable and it disintegrates quickly. “Memory” foam and “neoprene” products also offer very poor impact protection. Polystyrene (including EPS) is just horrible for this usage (brittle, no resiliency, leaves a mess of static crumbs, etc.)

2) EPE (Expanded PolyEthylene) foam is more rigid but may also work for you.

3) If you order PE or EPE foam online, be aware that some Chinese vendors take advantage of the relatively similar looks to ship cheap Polystyrene instead…

Which glue to use?

Make sure you use PE-compatible glue or double-sided bonding tape, which creates a bond that works as well as welded metals. I have chosen not to list brands here since availability varies widely depending on what region of the world you are in. Also, because not all PE foams have the exact same chemical composition, glue that works with one sheet of foam may not adhere well to another.

Tips:

1 – Using rough sandpaper first on both surfaces is usually a good idea.

2 – If you already have the foam, cut two small test blocks and assemble them with whatever glue you find. Apply a small weight on top and leave it alone for one full day (not 30 minutes or 30 seconds as you will see on some product instructions!) Try to separate the two halves after 24 hours by applying strong force. If you can, you’ve used the wrong glue...

3 – PE is closed cell but it does not have a super smooth surface and it still requires a significant amount of primer and/or glue to efficiently fill the small surface gaps. Members of our community have gotten the best results, by far, with glue sticks, applied with an (inexpensive) glue gun. Here is a good primer:

https://www.gluegun.com/blogs/tips-tutorials/guide-bonding-polyethylene-hot-melt

4 – We have found spray cans of glue to be super messy and hard to use.

5 – Any reputable vendor should be able to tell you what glue, or primer + glue, to use with their own PE foam.

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Quick step by step DIY

Option 4A: Foam Cradle

This “drop in” cradle is made of one PE block in which you have carved holes for your gear (we call these “droppers” because you just drop your lens or body+lens in a hole that you have carved out.)

1) Measure your bag’s main compartment.

2) Cut out one foam block (or glue several sheets together first to build one block) that has the same dimensions as the main compartment, minus 1/2 inch (waist packs, most of which have one central zipper that drops down to the sides and can make it difficult to drop a large object in) or minus 1/4 inch (photo bags, most of which have a U-shaped top lid which provides more unimpeded access.)
3) Place each lens, or lens+hood, on top of the foam block and draw a line around it with a thin marker.

Option 4A1

If you want pulling your rig(s) out and dropping them back in, to be super easy, draw the line 1/8 to 1/4 inch wider than the actual perimeter of the front of the lens or hood.

Option 4A2

If you prefer to never have to worry about gear falling out, either close the top of your bag (assuming it’s deep enough to swallow all the gear) or draw the line 1/8 inch smaller than the actual perimeter of the front of the lens or hood.
Note: in both cases you may of course elect to carve a more complex hole that will accommodate a body plus a lens.
4) Using a 1/2 inch drill bit, drill two 1 inch deep “grab holes,” opposite of each other. These will make it much easier for you to grab your lens or body and pull it out.
5) Carve out the hole(s) with a sharp knife or a serrated knife. You decide of course if you want the lens to stick out a little, be flush with the top of the foam block, or drop in deeper for best protection.

Tips

1) Once you have determined your preferred carving depth, draw it with a thin marker on the side of your blade. This makes it very easy to carve the hole at the correct depth. Cut the perimeter first and then cut small strips length wise, which you can easily rip out by hand.

2) If you want a perfectly flat bottom for your hole, use this cool trick.
a) Grab a standard metal hacksaw blade (those are usually 12 inches long)
b) Make a mark 2 inches from one end
c) Heat that end with a torch until the metal is soft
d) Stick the end in a vise and gently hammer down the 2 inch mark until you have made a 90 degree angle with the other 10 inch section. DONE!
Now, when you need to clean-cut the bottom of a hole (and after you have cut and removed the first vertical strip) simply wrap the long section of your new tool in a rag (or enclose it permanently with some tape), drop it to the bottom of the hole while holding it vertically, and finally use the 2 inch section, which is now horizontal, to slowly and carefully cut out the rest of the bottom of the hole using a back-and-forth motion (this is not hard, PE foam cuts like butter!)

3) If you don’t have a bag for your Cradle yet, all you need is a "shell" to stick your dropper in. You can get cheap ones from brands such as Apecase, S-zone, Selens, G-raphy, LowePro, Ruggard, etc. Alternatively, simply recycle an old school lunch bag no longer used by your kids.

Option 4B: Foam Shield

This option completely surrounds your gear and offers the ultimate shock and thermal protection. Because it is made of two PE blocks, you obviously need something to keep them together. Most of our members simply use a couple of standard 1 inch adjustable webbing straps (with a triglide) that close with a standard plastic buckle, just like the ones found on backpacks. Others use two bungee cords or some paracord with cord locks. All work just fine.

Just as an example, let us assume that you are making a custom PE Foam Shield for your Olympus EM1.3 attached to the Oly 100-400 zoom lens with LH-76D hood extended but without the tripod collar. Approximate total rig dimensions in inches are: 12.7 L x 5.3 W x 3.6 H) using some 1.5 inch thick PE sheets (a common thickness for electronics shipped in the U.S.) that you have either bought or cleverly obtained from some local shop. We are building a Shield with 1 inch thick walls.

1) Cut 4 sheets measuring 14.7 L x 7.3 W each.
2) Place your rig on top of the first sheet, center it and make a mark around the base of the body. Carve this out at a roughly 0.3 inch depth (follow directions is option 4A above.)
3) Place the second sheet on top of the first one, place the rig on top and make a mark around the body AND lens. Carve this sheet out and drop your rig inside sheets 1 and 2 in order to make sure you got everything right so far. .
4) Glue sheets 1 and 2 together. Wait 24 hours.
5) Place your rig inside the bonded bottom half and reverse operations 2-4 for the top half of the Shield.

Tips:

1 – “Walls” that are 1 inch (2.54cm) thick around your rig offer very good protection against shocks but you can obviously gain even more with thicker walls.

Case in point, one of our members who is a highly experienced mountaineer and photographer with a passion for ice landscapes. Spending a lot of time on glaciers and inside ice caves (both extraordinarily beautiful and extraordinarily dangerous environments where he has taken photos that are simply stunning) one of the things he frequently has to do while roping down into a crevasse, is take wide swings to get past protruding ice blocks. Because he uses his backpack as much as possible to absorb the impact of his often violent crashes against the hard ice while bumping and swinging, you would think that his photo gear would have sustained lots of damage over the years. But since his Olympus EM1.3 + 8-25 combo sits inside a custom PE Foam Shield that has 2 inch walls, he has never experienced any problem.

Ditto for another one, a daredevil mountain biker with countless hard crashes (and quite a few broken bones) who built himself a similar Shield which he keeps inside his Mountainsmith waist pack.

Frankly, I am not sure that it would be possible to find tougher tests!

2 – If you need to reduce the thickness of a foam sheet, which is not uncommon, use either a band saw or a table saw with very-fine teeth (blades for soft wood, fiberglass or metal are fine) AND the proper guiding and safety tools.
Important: please DO NOT attempt this if you’ve never done it before as you could easily loose a finger or worse! Reach out to a local woodworking club instead and ask for their help. These folks are usually friendly and super knowledgeable.

Summary

Whichever option you choose, the end product is far lighter, cheaper, and more shockproof than any ICU or backpack out there.

Happy walks, hikes, runs and travels !

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Links to a few resources I published here to help my fellow photographers:
R1: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)
R2: Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags
R3: How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit)
R4: Side bags, crash-proof enclosures, backpack mods and other DIY projects by creative photographers
R5: Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank
R6: Best carry on wheeled backpack you've never heard of

monkeyhandler Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: 5 cool DIY solutions for protecting your precious photo gear

Hi Chris,

I have a question about PE Foam cradles. Do they rub off or flake off from rubbing against the backpack's fabric as you hike? How do they hold up long term?

Thanks,

Chung

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 2,009
Re: 5 cool DIY solutions for protecting your precious photo gear

monkeyhandler wrote:

Hi Chris,

I have a question about PE Foam cradles. Do they rub off or flake off from rubbing against the backpack's fabric as you hike? How do they hold up long term?

Thanks,

Chung

Hi Chung,

This is an important aspect of things. I thought I had covered this so thanks for your question.

Unlike polystyrene or "pluck foam", I've never seen PE disintegrate in small chunks or "grains." As long as you use quality material and the right glue, it becomes one pretty tough block.

Rubbing against the pack's fabric is very minimal but I could see how constant removal and insertion of gear inside a cradle could be an issue with weak materials. Not with PE though, as long as you're smart and add little "notches" so that it's easy to stick your fingertips in and pull your lens, for example.

One of our members, a nature photographer, has made PE cradles for all his gear and packs. He's out there every week in any weather and I'm pretty sure that he's used the same cradles for over 10 years.

monkeyhandler Junior Member • Posts: 35
Re: 5 cool DIY solutions for protecting your precious photo gear

Thanks Chris, that's reassuring. I found a pre-2021 Deuter Futura 26 and immediately pounced on it, but after combing through all the info here, it looks like I'll have trouble finding an ICU that'll hold my gear. So I might have to make a cradle out of Kaizen foam or bring out the sewing machine and make my own ICU...

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 2,009
Re: 5 cool DIY solutions for protecting your precious photo gear

monkeyhandler wrote:

Thanks Chris, that's reassuring. I found a pre-2021 Deuter Futura 26 and immediately pounced on it,

Smart move, Chung! I know quite a few people who would be envious...

but after combing through all the info here, it looks like I'll have trouble finding an ICU that'll hold my gear. So I might have to make a cradle out of Kaizen foam or bring out the sewing machine and make my own ICU...

See R3 and R4 for lots on tips and DIY details.

Other than that, you do have other options, depending on how much gear you need to have with you, etc. Lots of possible scenarii so it's probably best to continue this conversation privately. Feel free to PM with your gear list!

Younes B Senior Member • Posts: 1,257
Re: How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear

Chris 222 wrote:

This is an addendum to Article 5, Solution 4, of this thread…

BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

… where I talked about a DIY (Do It Yourself) solution I use for quick front access to ILC gear at waist level (using my old LowePro Nova 2 as a “portable ICU.”) This tutorial describes how to adapt a bag for such use. As always, members of my community made very helpful contributions. While some of them have designed their own, far more complex solutions, those require special tools and expertise so I will stick here to our “standard”, super-simple solutions.

Tutorial Objective: adding two long belt loops to a small to medium gear bag to make it super easy to pull it out of your backpack and carry it safely and comfortably at your side(s) on any walk or hike. We simply call these SIDE BAGS.

A – Where to start?

First, measure the height (looking from the side) of your preferred backpack(s)’ padded waist belt. Because these are often “tapered” you need to measure it at two locations:

Height 1 (H1): at point A, where the belt connects to the pack’s lower frame

H2: (often shorter/smaller) at point B, where the belt padding meets the beginning of the webbed belt itself (the one that ends with a male or female belt buckle and snaps shut roughly in front of your navel.)

Note that these measurement can vary quite a bit. On our small Deuter Futuras H1 is 5 inches but on the big Varios it’s nearly 6 inches. On the small Gregory I use as a chest-carry pack (see Article 5, solution 5) it’s 5.5 inches at H1 but that drops off quickly (making step 6 below crucial) and there’s also little belt padding. The Quechua MH500 has a much “flatter” design, etc.

B – What bags should you use?

Basically anything you like: a large pouch, a small to medium-sized shoulder bag, an ICU (the LP Gearup mentioned here works well), a holster bag, etc. We have found only two categories of bags that do not work: those made of fragile “pleather” (fake, “plastic leather”) and those that are very rigid, since you want the part of the bag that will rest against your side to have some degree of “give” so that it will somewhat conform to the slight curve of your body.

Important

– You do not want a bag that is wider than the distance between points A and B. If you do that, the front of the Side Bag will tend to slop at an angle onto your front webbed belt.

– We have found that bags with a width not exceeding 10 inches (~ 25 cm) work best. However, you can go wider if you have a girth (waist line) above 40 inches.

– Some bags already have a belt pass-through (two loops or a “tunnel”) but these, being designed for standard belts, are usually no more than 2 inches long (tall), nowhere near enough to go over a backpack's padded waist/hip belt.

C – Where can you find such bags?

Before you rush to buy (yet another?) bag, consider my own stats about the 17 small and medium photo packs I still own (I have a few more large ones which I had bought for video shoots with those humongous old video cams, back in the day, plus two large drawers full of smaller bags and pouches):

– Only four have standard (short) belt loops that will go over your pants’ belt.

– Only one (a small Tamrac 601 bought in the eighties) has a long belt loop (5 inches, covers the entire height of the bag’s back, see picture below.) I ran a poll with my community, where many people own far more bags than I do, and only three others also found within their stash, an old model that has a long belt loop. But, you may wonder, what about newer bags? Well, I did the homework for you and I looked online at every brand and model I could possibly find. The results? Not a single one has a long belt loop. That’s the bad news…

– The good news is that you can easily retrofit most small to medium bags to slide over your backpack’s padded waist belt, and chances are you already own one or more such bags… Time to look inside those old closets! Frankly, I myself had no idea that I could actually retrofit another 5 bags, should I ever need to.

Just for reference, here are the capacities (inside volume, main compartment) of the 3 Side Bags pictured in this article:

Little beige Tamrac 601: 2.4 liters

Black Minolta (got it with a Minolta cam bought eons ago): 4 liters

LowePro Nova 2 (bought about 15 years ago): 5 liters

D – Supplies you need

1a) A quality punch hole and a wood block (I strongly advise hard wood such as oak or maple, prepare for horrible holes with frayed edges in your bag if you use soft wood!) plus four 5/8 inch long, 1/4 inch diameter round-head bolts, four 1/4 inch locking nylon nuts, four 3/4 inch diameter fender washers and four 1 inch diameter fender washers.

Note that standard rivets do not work. There is only one guy in my community who has successfully used rivets for this project but he says that even though he used his professional Press Riveting Tool with large, special-order rivets, he still doesn’t feel comfortable loading his side bag with more than 5 pounds.

OR

1b) One leather sewing kit with an awl, needles and a roll of waxed thread cord. These are easy to find online but your local Fabric Store will probably have the higher-quality stuff, not to mention knowledgeable staffers.

2) The strapping material you will use to make the 2 long loops that will go over your pack’s waist belt. Look for a strap that is at least one and a half inches wide, strong (most woven or webbed materials are fine) but soft enough not to dig into the side of your body when you hike with bare chest or mid-riff in hot weather.

Ideal sources are:

- old pants belts (woven fabric/poly blend or soft leather.) Chances are that you will have far more choices among women’s models. If you don’t find any around your house, ask friends and family, you might be surprised at how many belts sit around, unused!

- old camera shoulder straps.

- unused luggage straps, etc.

3) Sharp scissors

E – How to make and install the 2 long belt loops that will slide over your backpack’s padded waist belt

First, decide:

a) Do you want to have the bag’s lid open against your body, or away from it? Truth be told, the latter is rarely possible since there are very few shoulder or holster bags that do not have a zippered pocket, an overlapping lid, buckles, etc. on their front panel. Fastening your new loops to this panel would obviously make using these features impossible: not good.

b) Do you want to install two new loops of the same length, in which case you can use your bag on both sides, or two new loops of unequal lengths, in which case loop A is longer than loop B. The latter gives you a tighter fit, but I would advise against it because it is really nice to have the flexibility to use your Side Bag on either side of the waist belt. This also makes it easier to use it with different backpacks, obviously a huge plus. As you will see, we have several ways of preventing the side bag from sliding off anyway.

Option 1A

For the purpose of this step by step tutorial we will assume the “standard” setup with 2 loops of the same length fastened to the rear panel of your Side Bag:

[Quick reminder for our non-Imperial friends: 1 inch = 2.54 centimeters]

1 - Place your backpack on a table with the backpanel facing up and place your small bag next to its bottom, rear panel facing up as well. Now close the pocket zipper on that side of the waist belt and place it on top of the small bag’s rear panel with the top of the waist belt roughly 1/2 inch below the top of the rear panel. Make a T1 mark at half an inch from the top (or T1 + T2 if you will carry heavy loads, see below.) This is where your upper bolt will go (see pictures.)

2 – Grab whatever wide belt or strap you have decided to use and place one end at the very top of the side bag’s rear panel, run it over the padded waist belt and down toward the bottom of the backpanel, keeping it snug but not too tight. Make one mark L1 at half an inch below where the loop meets the rear panel. This is where your lower bolt will go. Note that even with heavy gear, only one bolt is needed here since the lower part of the loop is not load-bearing.

3 – Draw a line two inches below the L1 line and cut the strap with the scissors there. Yes, this gives you an excess 1 1/2 inches but leave it alone for now as you may decide that L1 is not quite low enough after testing your side bag. You may also desire to punch one or more holes later in order to be able to adapt your side bags to larger backpacks. You can always snip the slack anyway.

4 – Take your side bag to a work bench or a concrete pad, put your hard wood block inside the bag and place your two new long belt loop strips vertically on the rear panel. How far apart should they be? The consensus is 4 to 6 inches. More than that and your side bag will not be able to slightly curve in and follow the contour of your body.

Using a sharp 3/16 inch Hollow Puncher and your hard wood block, punch holes at T1 and L1 through both the strips and the rear panel of your bag. It is perfectly okay to place L1 on the bottom panel in case your side bag is not quite tall enough (see black bag photo below.)

Tip: if you’ve never done this before, be sure to first practice punching holes on an old bag and strap.

5 – Insert each bolt assembly through the holes (yes, the holes are slightly smaller than the bolts in diameter, but this is on purpose) so that all parts are in the following order, starting from the inside of the bag:

Bolt head, 1 inch diameter fender washer, bag’s rear panel, strap strip, 3/4 inch diameter fender washer, 1/4 inch locking nylon nut.

Option 1B

The steps are the same, except of course #4. Instead of punching holes, you stitch/sew the 2 strips to the rear panel. Be sure to run your sewing patterns tightly (the 1/4 inch open-cell foam that constitutes the bag’s padding should be compressed hard.)

TIPS

A– The hip belt pocket should still be usable for fairly flat, non-compressible objects. I personally keep my pocket knife in there.

B – If your Side Bag’s load exceeds 10 pounds (~ 4.5 kilos) I strongly recommend that you use a wider loop (2 inches or more) each with 2 top bolts. Another cool trick is to add a standard school wooden ruler at the top of the rear panel, connecting the four top bolts (just snip the extra length off.) This adds very little weight but spreads the heavy load much better across the top of your backpack’s waist belt.

C – Most shoulder bags come with a long, adjustable strap. You can of course remove it, but if you’re like me you want to keep it for when you just need to go on that quick photo outing after setting camp. So what I do is simply run the shoulder strap snug below the bag and then shove the excess length inside the right side pocket, stash it below or behind the Side Bag, etc. )see pics.)

D – If your bag came with a rain cover, adding the 2 long belt loops does not majorly impact its effectiveness. If it did not, simply keep a small, high-quality trash bag at the bottom of your side bag as I do. It takes no space and works great.

E – To avoid any potential issues with the inside bolt heads scratching your gear, cover them with snap-on bolt caps or with an extra layer of ICU divider material (I don't since I've never had any problem.) If you’re still not happy, use Option 1B.

F – Once you have inserted your waist belt through the 2 long loops, I strongly recommend that you always fasten your side bag to the backpack frame near point A. This will prevent the Side Bag from ever sliding forward when you drop your pack or simply bend down to tie your laces. What you want to do is connect the Side Bag’s rear Triglide or D-ring (the one used to attach the shoulder belt) to any lash point on the bottom or lower side of the backpack. How? You have many options: Carabiner, Elastic cord or Paracord with hook or cord lock, a short compression strap, etc. (see pics for examples.)

SIDE BAGS: WHAT WE LIKE

Superb Convenience and Practicality

Ready to shoot? Pull your Side Bag(s) out of your backpack, slide it over your waist belt, fasten it to the pack and you are done: all your gear is now front-accessible, be it for an hour or all day long. Lens swaps are a cinch, and you can easily have more than one rig ready to shoot instantly. Many of our members routinely use two side bags, typically one for WA (Wide Angle) gear and one for Tele gear, both of which go back in their DFV60 backpack (Deuter Futura Vario 50+10, see Article 2 for review) when they are done.

Excellent Load Transfer plus Improved Posture

The weight of your side bags rests on your hip bones, one of the strongest part of your body, and in front of your CG (Center of Gravity) plane. This allows you to stand more erect than when you had all that weight inside your backpack, which improves your posture and your gait. This in turn reduces fatigue, as I have experienced myself on many long hikes.

Lighting Fast Access

Your side bags are always there, right where you need them. No blindly reaching back to try and grab that rig or those lenses via that much-hyped “side access” feature (you’d have to be a contortionist to see what’s back there, which the manufacturer claims of course never mention…)

Better yet, they do not get in the way of using other smart solutions. An old friend of mine routinely hikes with 3 MFT rigs at the ready. One EM1.3 with zoom clipped to a Universal Keyhole nicely centered on his chest, another EM1.3 with 300mm + TC in a side bag, and a EM5.3 with that awesome 8-25 mm in the other side bag. I’ve also hiked with a birder friend who still uses two of his beloved but huge DSLR Tele rigs, each stashed inside at his side inside a very long holster case.

Great Versatility

You can turn pretty much any bag you have into a side bag, as long as it’s no wider than about 10 inches (more if you have a very large waist line.) Better yet, you do not have to use those bags just for photo gear. Some of our members use them for holding snacks for the kids, stashing trash on trail cleanup day, receptacle for berries and other harvested wild foods, holder for water bottles, container full of nuts and acorns for feeding squirrels out in the woods, etc.

More f-stops

One noticeable benefit of these Side Bags is that you can use them as a resting point for your elbow on certain types of shots, which easily gains you several stops. In fact, you gain up to 10 stops in total if you combine this with a stellar IBIS such as the ones found on MFT Olympus gear (one of the reasons it’s used by the majority in my community, along with that incredible WR, portability, high IQ, etc.) A side benefit of this is that you tend to leave your tripod at home, meaning less weight to carry, and less things to worry about!

Theft protection

It is literally impossible for a thieve to do a “rip-and-run” or “slash-and-run” on a side bag fastened to a wide hip belt as described in this article.

Low cost

You should be able to find the hardware needed for Option 1A for under $5. As to Option 1B, a good cobbler or upholstery shop will stitch the two loops you bought him/her for about $10, often less.

WHAT WE DO NOT LIKE

Your Side Bag sticks out to the side several inches more than a full standard belt pocket does. If your shooting routine involves short walks/hikes or moving slowly between shots, this won’t affect you. If, like us, you tend to hike at a good clip between shots, your normal arms swing is affected since you have to keep your elbows out. Not a big deal though, you get used to it pretty quickly.

How Side Bags compare to other front-carry, WAIST-LEVEL solutions

Versus the same bag simply slung over the front part of your backpack’s belt (if it has short belt loops, which few bags actually do)

This is something we have tried and the results are not pretty! Assuming you are willing to deal with the fact that your front belt buckle becomes really hard to access, you now have a bag that bangs against your crotch area on every step: not fun especially if you are a guy (your dangly bits will not appreciate!)

Versus daisy-chain attachments and belt pouches

I personally love daisy-chain lash points – also called M.O.L.L.E (Modular Lightweight Load-Carrying Equipment) or M.A.S. (Modular Accessories System) – but there is a reason why manufacturers are rarely ever using these on waist belts anymore: waist belt pockets are far superior in terms of practicality (just unzip and you have instant access to whatever’s inside) and comfort since the contents will not bang against your side while you walk as they do inside pouches (those are usually too small for cam gear anyway.) Of course, belt zip pockets are also small, way too small in fact, but hey, we are solving that problem here.

Versus camera clips

Clips such as the Spider of CC actually work well on a wide, strong pants’ belt (at least you’re not totally crushing your expensive backpack’s padded shoulder strap…) even though they do not prevent your rig from banging against your body on anything but super slow walks. The problem most of us have found is that wearing such a belt plus a backpack’s wide and padded hip belt is super uncomfortable, not to mention that you loose access to your cam clip unless you wear the pants belt extremely low, in which case it cuts into your lower abdomen on every step.

Versus a photo bag like the Mindshift Rotation

To its credit, the Mindshift Rotation 180 is one of the rare photo bags that is more than just a fancy, horribly overpriced ICU with shoulder straps schlepped on. It has a clever lower compartment that can rotate from your right lumbar area to the front, which is in theory pretty similar to a Side Bag. In practice however, while the rotating compartment works well, you cannot use it with any other bag at waist level. And we have also found serious issues such as the sweat-inducing Pressure Panel that also creates pain points on your back (not even close to being in the same league as a TMP), the thin waist belt, no rain cover, etc.

Versus a Waist / Lumbar Pack

Both systems have roughly the same functionality but while Side Bags can be used with both PP (Pressure Panel) and TMP (Tensioned Mesh Panel) packs, as long as they have a wide, decent waist belt, Fanny Packs only work well with TMP packs. More on this on a future article that will bring you the results of our tests of the leading waist packs.

Deuter Futura 50+10 with 2 Side Bags

CONCLUSION

Making your own Side Bag is a great, easy DIY solution. It is extremely cheap as well as hugely more comfortable, protective and versatile than most other options.

Okay folks, that’s about it. If you have found this tutorial helpful, simply click the little thumb-up thingy at top right. Have fun with this little DIY project, you might be surprised at how much it changes your photo outings!

As always, on-topic comments and questions are welcome.

Great write up.

Looking at those exposed nuts I can only think of how much damage they can cause to lenses or bodies if they rug against them ( or during entry/exit from the bag ).

Covering them with some protective cloth should be a must imho.

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Re: How to use your backpack’s waist belt with Side Bags for quick front access to your photo gear

Younes B wrote:

Great write up.

Looking at those exposed nuts I can only think of how much damage they can cause to lenses or bodies if they rug against them ( or during entry/exit from the bag ).

Hi Younes,

I see that these shiny little things attract quite a bit of attention! BTW, the old ones had rusted out after many years in a high humidity region and I decided to replace them before taking a few pics of the setups. I wanted stainless steel replacements but the highly-experienced guy in my fantastic old-style hardware store told me that he would have to special order them and that it could take many months to get them, if ever, so I gave up on that.

For me there has been zero damage to lenses and bodies over many years of use. Here is why:

1) On the inside of the bags are not nuts but flat (slightly rounded) bolt heads that protrude very little (and you could actually use caps for those but it's not necessary... read on.)

2) In actual use, I pretty much always have either part of the dividers'velcro over the bolt heads, or lenses/bodies that aren't tall enough to be affected by the top bolts, or both. On the old Nova I cover the lower heads with a small patch of velcro when necessary.

3) Because I absolutely hate messing with lens caps while on the trail (I lost so many in the early years!) before I start a hike I always remove them and stick them underneath a thin sheet of PE foam that sits at the bottom of my bags (even the old Tamrac which came with its own wide belt loops as you can see in the pics and therefore has no bolts or anything at the bottom.) This affords me much more peace of mind when I swap lenses.

Some people in my community like to use lens pouches, which you might prefer if you're really anal about these things. Which reminds me of that one time when I swapped gear with this wonderful lady whose rig consisted of a Leica body plus 3 super-sharp lenses - I learned during our hike that the whole kit cost her about as much as a nice mid-size car! Anyway, each lens had its own, custom-made pouch made of the most gorgeous leather, which I of course used as she herself did.

Covering them with some protective cloth should be a must imho.

Protective cloth would probably only work if it were stitched to the bag but hey, if that's your preference, why not?

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