7D Mark ii to EOS R?

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use.  So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

R sounds good for your application - what the R is not is a sports or action  focussed camera - which the 7D II is.  That's the reason I skipped the R.

EF lenses work brilliantly on R bodes.

One other consideration - DXO Photolab with DeepPrime is a great way of getting extra from crop frame older sensors in terms of image quality including particularly high iso images.  Free download so might be worth looking at what it can do for the 7DII?

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

I made the move and am blown away by the capabilities of this camera.   The MKII focused very well for me but the eye focus and accuracy of the R6 IMO are light years ahead.   I love the focusing capability of mirrorless.   It's the camera I was waiting to come about and jumped on it and have never looked back.

That said, I think you're still in great shape with what you have right now but when it's time to upgrade, you won't miss having a DSLR.

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

The focusing ability of the R will make the old EF lenses more effective with higher keeper rates.  The eye AF mode of the EOS R will speed up your portrait shoots, I hear.  Seems like a good deal.

The R is also a cheap way to get access to the sensor from the 5DmkIV.  I like the sensor a lot.  The R5 seems like a good camera to get/upgrade to when supply chains return to normal and it can be had on sale.

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

When I bought my R (on sale refurbished) last year I sold my 7DII. But the R wasn't really an upgrade from the 7DII for me, because I had already pretty much replaced my 7DII with my M6II, which does almost everything better than the 7DII. The M6II handles sports better than the 7DII (which was no slouch itself in that regard), and is better for portraits, landscapes, street shooting, etc. The main advantages of the 7DII over the M6II are ergonomic, battery life, and viewfinder shooting. I find the R to be better than the 7DII in just about every respect, except battery life and framerate. It sounds like you don't really need the 10fps of the 7DII (if you do, you should definitely look at the M6II). For pretty much everything you listed, the R will be a significant upgrade. I actually find the EVF on the R to be preferable to the OVF on the 7DII, but that might be a personal thing. The R is very customizable, just like the 7DII, fits well in my hand, but is enough smaller and lighter to be noticeable (in a good way, for me). The image quality is a significant step up, as you'd expect with a more recent 30MP full frame sensor compared with the 7DII's 20MP crop sensor (which is still very good for a crop sensor, but significantly behind the 32MP sensor in the M6II and 90D). The AF on the R (and on the M6II) is a delight to use, coming from the 7DII, which has really good AF for a crop DSLR. The eye detect alone is worth the upgrade, if you shoot a lot of people, and the coverage across the frame is amazing. The R5 is, of course, better still, but also a lot more expensive (more than 3 times as much as I paid for my R).

Alastair Norcross wrote:

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

When I bought my R (on sale refurbished) last year I sold my 7DII. But the R wasn't really an upgrade from the 7DII for me, because I had already pretty much replaced my 7DII with my M6II, which does almost everything better than the 7DII. The M6II handles sports better than the 7DII (which was no slouch itself in that regard), and is better for portraits, landscapes, street shooting, etc. The main advantages of the 7DII over the M6II are ergonomic, battery life, and viewfinder shooting. I find the R to be better than the 7DII in just about every respect, except battery life and framerate. It sounds like you don't really need the 10fps of the 7DII (if you do, you should definitely look at the M6II). For pretty much everything you listed, the R will be a significant upgrade. I actually find the EVF on the R to be preferable to the OVF on the 7DII, but that might be a personal thing. The R is very customizable, just like the 7DII, fits well in my hand, but is enough smaller and lighter to be noticeable (in a good way, for me). The image quality is a significant step up, as you'd expect with a more recent 30MP full frame sensor compared with the 7DII's 20MP crop sensor (which is still very good for a crop sensor, but significantly behind the 32MP sensor in the M6II and 90D). The AF on the R (and on the M6II) is a delight to use, coming from the 7DII, which has really good AF for a crop DSLR. The eye detect alone is worth the upgrade, if you shoot a lot of people, and the coverage across the frame is amazing. The R5 is, of course, better still, but also a lot more expensive (more than 3 times as much as I paid for my R).

I never had an R but a 7DII since long and also the M6II and R5.

While the sensor of the M6II is better, it was absolutely not at the 7DII level for fast moving objects IMO.

The R5 has the advantage of both, so most probably the R will complement the 7DII nicely.

PS: my 7DII died this summer, and I won't let repair it, page turned

palombian wrote:

Alastair Norcross wrote:

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

When I bought my R (on sale refurbished) last year I sold my 7DII. But the R wasn't really an upgrade from the 7DII for me, because I had already pretty much replaced my 7DII with my M6II, which does almost everything better than the 7DII. The M6II handles sports better than the 7DII (which was no slouch itself in that regard), and is better for portraits, landscapes, street shooting, etc. The main advantages of the 7DII over the M6II are ergonomic, battery life, and viewfinder shooting. I find the R to be better than the 7DII in just about every respect, except battery life and framerate. It sounds like you don't really need the 10fps of the 7DII (if you do, you should definitely look at the M6II). For pretty much everything you listed, the R will be a significant upgrade. I actually find the EVF on the R to be preferable to the OVF on the 7DII, but that might be a personal thing. The R is very customizable, just like the 7DII, fits well in my hand, but is enough smaller and lighter to be noticeable (in a good way, for me). The image quality is a significant step up, as you'd expect with a more recent 30MP full frame sensor compared with the 7DII's 20MP crop sensor (which is still very good for a crop sensor, but significantly behind the 32MP sensor in the M6II and 90D). The AF on the R (and on the M6II) is a delight to use, coming from the 7DII, which has really good AF for a crop DSLR. The eye detect alone is worth the upgrade, if you shoot a lot of people, and the coverage across the frame is amazing. The R5 is, of course, better still, but also a lot more expensive (more than 3 times as much as I paid for my R).

I never had an R but a 7DII since long and also the M6II and R5.

While the sensor of the M6II is better, it was absolutely not at the 7DII level for fast moving objects IMO.

Interesting. Perhaps we use it differently, or shoot different fast moving subjects. My main sports subjects for the M6II (and previously the 7DII) are runners, either on a track or in road races. I have found the M6II, both at 7fps and 14fps, to hold focus even better than the 7DII (which was excellent for these subjects). In fact, I have several sequences of fast runners approaching me shot at 14fps where every single shot was in sharp focus. With the 7DII, I would usually have one or two out of every ten lose focus slightly (just a bit soft). This is using the same lens on each, my 70-200 F2.8 L IS II. I also find that I can use the tracking on the M6II for these kinds of subjects, and not worry so much about keeping the focus point (or point plus helpers, which was my usual configuration with the 7DII) on the subject. The 7DII's tracking worked best against a plain background, so I pretty much never used it, but relied on keeping the focus point on the subject myself. Both the M6II and the R have good enough tracking that I use them on that setting most of the time, only switching to single point when I really need to.

The R5 has the advantage of both, so most probably the R will complement the 7DII nicely.

PS: my 7DII died this summer, and I won't let repair it, page turned

As stated by others it will be excellent for your applications. Not for sports, etc. I used it for BIF but it was very challenging as there left is EVF blackout while burst shooting and with the slow FPS it shows more than an R5.

I now use my R for the same applications you mentioned. Great AF and no need for MFA for any lens you will use which will produce consistent sharp photos. No slight deviation that mirrored cameras have.

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

I have owned 7D (sold it some years ago ) and some other Canon cameras starting from 40D   and i still have 5DMkIV (before it 6D)  .  I have upgraded a couple of times  

I bought R6 some 6 months ago - i really like it!

If you want a serious real  upgrade , that is not so extremely expensive you should consider R6 - it has so much better focusing systems and IBIS.

R is a nice FF camera, but is it a real upgrade from 7DMkII ?

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

I've been using an R for over 2 years now - it does portraits, product photography and conference work on the paid side of my photography, and landscapes for fun. It doesn't do the sports photography that the 7D II still does better. But I've recently bought an R6 that does the conference side even better, and also does the sports stuff, so the 7D II's days are numbered.
For your indicated uses, the R is great - more suitable than the 7D II, and you don't need the better AF of the R5 or R6 IMHO.

I bought the M6II to test if the 32mp crop sensor was good with the idea it should be integrated in an R APS-C body (the mythical R7).

Indeed, you can crop a lot, in particular for the price. Sad Canon does not make progress with a performant APS-C body.

I had a 7D MK2 when it first came out and though a fine camera in many respects I moved on through various other mirrorless cameras from Fuji, Panasonic and Sony.

I recently returned to Canon and bought the EOS R, reluctantly in some respects because having read the numerous reviews and reports here and elsewhere as to how much better and a huge advance the R5 and R6 are to the R. This may be so but my budget was limited and so a package arrived by courier with an R + 24-105STM kit and the 800mm f11 STM. My interests lie with wildlife and bird photography in particular with a few landscapes thrown in. I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the R body and the cheapo basic kit zoom, the lens is certainly an improvement on the basic kit lens thrown in with rebel kits of old and it's pretty sharp too.

The R takes beautiful pictures, raw images looking clean when processed with DxO PL4 and deep prime up to iso8000.

Autofocus tracking is excellent and I haven't found the R useless for bif despite the painfully slow frame rate. I haven't noticed viewfinder blackout either. My camera came with firmware 1.8 already installed, I wonder if any other tweaking was done on the latest cameras released from the factory?

You don't mention video. 1080p at the best quality is excellent and no overheating. If you're looking for a new R body there may be limited numbers soon as production has ceased though plenty of 2nd hand copies are about.

Rock and Rollei wrote:

TemperedGlassPhoto wrote:

Hello,

Recently I have been seriously considering buying the EOS R as an upgrade from my 7D Mark ii. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to truly understanding the different specs. From what I can understand the EOS R is a good bit better than the 7D Mark ii I have and use. So I'm here looking for advice.

Situation-

I recently started my side photography business. I am most likely going to do primarily portraits (Senior Pictures and Families) along with some product photography (friends with small businesses of there own). I also love just doing landscape and street photography as purely a hobby. Business isn't booming by any means but my full time job allows me to have a little extra cash for nicer gear if I can decide if it is worth upgrading.

Two of the main features, besides the better Mega Pixel count, that really draws me to the EOS R is the tilting screen and the fact that with a mirrorless I can pretty much see how the picture will look before I take the picture.

Another concern is that I already have a few EF lens. They are a mix of Canon and Tamron. I believe from what I've already read that the Tamron lens will work with the adaptor.

I know the R5 and R6 are out there but unless I really start to ramp up the business, I can't see any reason to make that price jump.

Any help I can get with my personal dilemma would be greatly appreciated and thank you for your time in advance!

I've been using an R for over 2 years now - it does portraits, product photography and conference work on the paid side of my photography, and landscapes for fun. It doesn't do the sports photography that the 7D II still does better.

Even though I still had my 7D2 I still never pulled it out of the bag for BIF. I always used the R. If I was making money and depended on getting results then yes I would have used the 7D2.

R with 100-400 II and EF 2X

But I've recently bought an R6 that does the conference side even better, and also does the sports stuff, so the 7D II's days are numbered.
For your indicated uses, the R is great - more suitable than the 7D II, and you don't need the better AF of the R5 or R6 IMHO.

Short answer: yes.

I went from a 6D to the R. I waited until the last firmware upgrade addressed the eye AF and purchased a refurb'd unit. For portraits, you'll find the eye AF such a gift (no more perfect nose and fuzzy eyes w/open aperture), the ability to easily recompose dynamically, the higher MPix, the EF-RF adapter works w/every Tamron/Tokina/Canon/Samyang/Sigma lens that I use, no more lens micro-adjustment, shutter curtain works to protect the sensor during lens switch (so no more sensor dust), reading the histogram in the EVF, etc.

The difference between the R and, say, the R5 is the distance in traveling from one county to another. But the distance from a DSLR like my 6D or your 7D mkii will be between continents.

The R is a very good value.

I have both.  Used the 7d2 for motorsport and wildlife as the EOS R isn’t as good for these mainly due to viewfinder blackout when continuous shooting of moving objects.  R much better for still work like portraits, landscape and way better for things like macro.  R works brilliantly with all my EF lenses.

Have just bought an R5 and it does the job of both cameras well so now selling them and will gradually swap out my EF glass for RF

For the kind of photography you described, I'd say you should look at both the R and the RP. They're both decent upgrades from any cropped sensor body in terms of image quality and being more "future proof."