The end?

Has the PowerShot lineup reached the end as we know it? Consider:

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1. The iPhone 13 Pro takes better pictures than all but the G1X Mark III in terms of both quality and versatility. Not even mentioning video...

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2. Canon doesn't have a PDAF on-chip AF system ala Sony. It's either DPAF or CDAF. Given the recent G5X II using the latest non-PDAF 1" sensor, stacked-BSI at that, and the SX70, SX740 also use latest BSI sensors also with latest DIGIC8, and, the G7X III uses the latest DIGIC8 and stacked 1", there's really no-where to go. DIGICX "eats" too much power for a smaller platform. There's now nothing to refresh on either the SX70, SX740, G5X II or G7X III, unless, Canon is considering using their latest stacked sensor fabs for some smaller chips and doing a limited DPAF run. But, for what audience? Perhaps DPAF for the G7X IV and the vloggers? That's about all I can think of.

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3. The G3X "bridge" camera series is retired, unofficially.

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4. That just leaves the possibility of a G9X III ala DIGIC8 and stacked CMOS refresh, but is unlikely due to price. And the G1X Mark IV. The problem with the latter, is there a market big enough to produce it at a price point viable for both bringing to market, and profitability?

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I think Canon may double down on some at-home tech, possibly a fixed lens, say 35mm offering perhaps, but the M200/M6II + 22 / RP + RF 35 already has that covered.

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It really took me back to realize this may be it folks. Whatever plans Canon has at this point, that they think they can make money off of, are it, if there's any left. It's a moment for pause and reflection where things have come, and now gone.

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It's making more sense now perhaps why Canon is rallying around the RF mount, and even ignoring the M mount. It's either the time to go big or go home, or, pretty close to it.

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Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? What's left of it that is. That too... There's few of us left, that the smartphone hasn't claimed.

Hello...

RLight wrote:

Has the PowerShot lineup reached the end as we know it? Consider:

I have all the G phones ...

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1. The iPhone 13 Pro takes better pictures than all but the G1X Mark III in terms of both quality and versatility. Not even mentioning video...

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True

2. Canon doesn't have a PDAF on-chip AF system ala Sony. It's either DPAF or CDAF. Given the recent G5X II using the latest non-PDAF 1" sensor, stacked-BSI at that, and the SX70, SX740 also use latest BSI sensors also with latest DIGIC8, and, the G7X III uses the latest DIGIC8 and stacked 1", there's really no-where to go. DIGICX "eats" too much power for a smaller platform. There's now nothing to refresh on either the SX70, SX740, G5X II or G7X III, unless, Canon is considering using their latest stacked sensor fabs for some smaller chips and doing a limited DPAF run. But, for what audience? Perhaps DPAF for the G7X IV and the vloggers? That's about all I can think of.

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3. The G3X "bridge" camera series is retired, unofficially.

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4. That just leaves the possibility of a G9X III ala DIGIC8 and stacked CMOS refresh, but is unlikely due to price. And the G1X Mark IV. The problem with the latter, is there a market big enough to produce it at a price point viable for both bringing to market, and profitability?

.

I think Canon may double down on some at-home tech, possibly a fixed lens, say 35mm offering perhaps, but the M200/M6II + 22 / RP + RF 35 already has that covered.

.

It really took me back to realize this may be it folks. Whatever plans Canon has at this point, that they think they can make money off of, are it, if there's any left. It's a moment for pause and reflection where things have come, and now gone.

.

It's making more sense now perhaps why Canon is rallying around the RF mount, and even ignoring the M mount. It's either the time to go big or go home, or, pretty close to it.

.

Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? What's left of it that is. That too... There's few of us left, that the smartphone hasn't claimed.

Though I have an I phone - I like all my film cameras and digital cameras.

Powershot is not only G cameras, there is also superzooms! (that you didn't mention.) Phones can come very close to Gs but superzooms are untouchable for them.

Yes, it is definitely true that the smartphone has eaten into the compact camera's market.

But there are still some unique niches in the compact camera market which the smartphone cannot catch up yet. The 'bridge' camera like the SX70, SX740 etc. But Canon will need to upgrade the sensors in these camera to at least 1" sensor with PDAF/DPAF in order to sell. G3X is a good example but not sure why they did not bother to come out with a Mark ii for it.

I believe there is still a demand for compact camera for video/vlogging usage etc. I think Canon knows about it too as it was mentioned in a Canon Interview in June 2021. However, they put their priority in the RF mount lineup (trying to catch up with Sony which has quite a number of years of head start). But you can't blame them. As a company, they will put their focus in the market with the most profit margin and least likely to be affected by smartphone. I think Sony has noticed the demand too and that is why they come out with the ZV-1 and ZV-E10 which are primarily meant for video/vlogging usage.

In the Canon Interview in June 2021, Canon mentioned that the development of compact devices supporting 8K is a very high priority. But we do not know what kind of compact devices are they referring to. It could be a G7X Mark IV or a M50 Mark III or a new EOS R camera.

I enjoy using my G7Xii more than my smartphone and will continue to use it till it reaches its end-of-life or when something better comes up.

I guess it’s pretty much it when it comes to “conventional” Powershot cameras because phone cameras are getting better and better. It’s irreversible. We can see that with new unconventional Powershot products such as the PX and the ZOOM. I’m hoping for the G1X line to be the exception because it offers superior image quality thanks to its larger sensor, making it a light option for serious enthusiasts and travellers.

But Powershot means it has to be compact. I’m not sure how much Canon can improve on the G1X Mark III and keep it “pocketable”. Is it enough in today’s market to update the same camera with the newer processor and release it? Probably not. Perhaps in the future, with more applied patents, we will see ways to improve on lenses and cameras and keep them very compact, but that won’t be in a near future I imagine. But hope I’m wrong. At the same time I hope I am because I don’t want to see my G1X III being supplanted.

The main problem that I find with phone cameras is that, so far, there is no convenient model, (or simple gizmo like the ClearViewer) to give them an eye level viewfinder to overcome daylight reflections and other framing dificulties.

At least longer tele reach seems to be on the way.

As a late comer to the Powershot party only buying my used G3X a couple of months ago I hope the end isn't too nigh.

As someone who has grown up with film and digital, somehow to replace these with a phone, no matter how good doesn't feel right. The enjoyment I get using all my cameras can never be matched by a phone.

In terms of future compact cameras I have been looking at adding either G5X or G1X to use when travelling as the S1 is a bit bulky to carry all the time, and of course there are also the Sony RX100's. I have been seriously contemplating replacing my S1 kit with 2 "smaller" cameras for a while perhaps the G3X and a G1X or a Sony RX100 + RX10.

So I'm not too downhearted.

John

Dors wrote:

Powershot is not only G cameras, there is also superzooms! (that you didn't mention.) Phones can come very close to Gs but superzooms are untouchable for them.

The SX70 and SX740 (mentioned) are Canon's last refreshes to the superzoom lineup.

As I pointed out, there's nothing to do as they already have BSI sensors with DIGIC8 processors. Anything more requires Canon make their own sensor, which they could and may, but for what? Slight AF bump, for a dying market? Canon will sell units already in inventory which they probably have a substantial stockpile of. There's just no-where to go from here for those superzoom that Canon hasn't already ala SX70 / SX740.

sgangker wrote:

Yes, it is definitely true that the smartphone has eaten into the compact camera's market.

But there are still some unique niches in the compact camera market which the smartphone cannot catch up yet. The 'bridge' camera like the SX70, SX740 etc. But Canon will need to upgrade the sensors in these camera to at least 1" sensor with PDAF/DPAF in order to sell. G3X is a good example but not sure why they did not bother to come out with a Mark ii for it.

I believe there is still a demand for compact camera for video/vlogging usage etc. I think Canon knows about it too as it was mentioned in a Canon Interview in June 2021. However, they put their priority in the RF mount lineup (trying to catch up with Sony which has quite a number of years of head start). But you can't blame them. As a company, they will put their focus in the market with the most profit margin and least likely to be affected by smartphone. I think Sony has noticed the demand too and that is why they come out with the ZV-1 and ZV-E10 which are primarily meant for video/vlogging usage.

In the Canon Interview in June 2021, Canon mentioned that the development of compact devices supporting 8K is a very high priority. But we do not know what kind of compact devices are they referring to. It could be a G7X Mark IV or a M50 Mark III or a new EOS R camera.

I enjoy using my G7Xii more than my smartphone and will continue to use it till it reaches its end-of-life or when something better comes up.

Speaking of both, I think Canon will do a M50 Mark III with a 90D sensor, someday, just because they can (parts exist to swap out) and the demand is there still for the M50.

G7X IV? Demand is there, but parts? They'd need to do their own 1" DPAF sensor. They can now though, but this may be some time as the R3 and upcoming R1 will tax the new fabrication process for the stacked CMOS bunch.

RLight wrote:

Has the PowerShot lineup reached the end as we know it? Consider:

.

1. The iPhone 13 Pro takes better pictures than all but the G1X Mark III in terms of both quality and versatility. Not even mentioning video...

This is not true.

1. Image quality difference between 12 Pro Max and 13 is practically none
2. Powershot SX60 kills 12 Pro Max in image quality comparison because it has REAL RAW.
3. Thus Powershots with REAL RAW will always produce better looking files than any iPhone ever.

.

2. Canon doesn't have a PDAF on-chip AF system ala Sony. It's either DPAF or CDAF. Given the recent G5X II using the latest non-PDAF 1" sensor, stacked-BSI at that, and the SX70, SX740 also use latest BSI sensors also with latest DIGIC8, and, the G7X III uses the latest DIGIC8 and stacked 1", there's really no-where to go. DIGICX "eats" too much power for a smaller platform. There's now nothing to refresh on either the SX70, SX740, G5X II or G7X III, unless, Canon is considering using their latest stacked sensor fabs for some smaller chips and doing a limited DPAF run. But, for what audience? Perhaps DPAF for the G7X IV and the vloggers? That's about all I can think of.

.

3. The G3X "bridge" camera series is retired, unofficially.

.

4. That just leaves the possibility of a G9X III ala DIGIC8 and stacked CMOS refresh, but is unlikely due to price. And the G1X Mark IV. The problem with the latter, is there a market big enough to produce it at a price point viable for both bringing to market, and profitability?

.

I think Canon may double down on some at-home tech, possibly a fixed lens, say 35mm offering perhaps, but the M200/M6II + 22 / RP + RF 35 already has that covered.

.

It really took me back to realize this may be it folks. Whatever plans Canon has at this point, that they think they can make money off of, are it, if there's any left. It's a moment for pause and reflection where things have come, and now gone.

.

It's making more sense now perhaps why Canon is rallying around the RF mount, and even ignoring the M mount. It's either the time to go big or go home, or, pretty close to it.

.

Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? What's left of it that is. That too... There's few of us left, that the smartphone hasn't claimed.

Swerky wrote:

I guess it’s pretty much it when it comes to “conventional” Powershot cameras because phone cameras are getting better and better. It’s irreversible. We can see that with new unconventional Powershot products such as the PX and the ZOOM. I’m hoping for the G1X line to be the exception because it offers superior image quality thanks to its larger sensor, making it a light option for serious enthusiasts and travellers.

But Powershot means it has to be compact. I’m not sure how much Canon can improve on the G1X Mark III and keep it “pocketable”. Is it enough in today’s market to update the same camera with the newer processor and release it? Probably not. Perhaps in the future, with more applied patents, we will see ways to improve on lenses and cameras and keep them very compact, but that won’t be in a near future I imagine. But hope I’m wrong. At the same time I hope I am because I don’t want to see my G1X III being supplanted.

The G1X series can be updated ala DIGIC8 and 90D sensor, even if keeping the same lens, which would keep the same form factor. This would be a worth upgrade in my book btw.

The trouble, is like the G3X, the demand for the G1X is nil. Canon isn't in business to make cameras, they're in business to make money. I too want a G1X IV, and I don't care if it's the existing G1X III lens, or a new more aggressive one. I'd take either.

I just don't know Canon is going to sink any money into PowerShots at this point. If I were them from a business standpoint, I might not. Was surprised when we got the G1X Mark III.

John W H wrote:

As a late comer to the Powershot party only buying my used G3X a couple of months ago I hope the end isn't too nigh.

As someone who has grown up with film and digital, somehow to replace these with a phone, no matter how good doesn't feel right. The enjoyment I get using all my cameras can never be matched by a phone.

In terms of future compact cameras I have been looking at adding either G5X or G1X to use when travelling as the S1 is a bit bulky to carry all the time, and of course there are also the Sony RX100's. I have been seriously contemplating replacing my S1 kit with 2 "smaller" cameras for a while perhaps the G3X and a G1X or a Sony RX100 + RX10.

So I'm not too downhearted.

John

The existing tools aren't bad. But, as folks have outlined here, some are in need of refresh, namely the G3X you have could use DIGIC8 and a faster readout sensor (ala G7X III/G5X II) would be nice. The G1X could use the newer 90D sensor and DIGIC8 CPU. G5X II and G7X III could use DPAF. I'm now sensing this may be a ship that has sailed.

Again, the tools we have now are fun, and I don't enjoy shooting a smartphone. But, there is a point where when you shoot a Smartphone and a Point and Shoot, and you have to ask, what's the point?

As an example, I would not shoot my former HP point and shoot, over my iPhone. The iPhone is better.

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

Has the PowerShot lineup reached the end as we know it? Consider:

.

1. The iPhone 13 Pro takes better pictures than all but the G1X Mark III in terms of both quality and versatility. Not even mentioning video...

This is not true.

1. Image quality difference between 12 Pro Max and 13 is practically none

Video quality is quite a bit better though. This has been a (previous) weak spot for Smartphones (low light and video). Still is, but it's improved.

1. Powershot SX60 kills 12 Pro Max in image quality comparison because it has REAL RAW

SX70 kills it more btw, and 110% agree. But again, there's no where for Canon do go with a SX80. The SX70 "is it". The end. No more point and shoots.

1. Thus Powershots with REAL RAW will always produce better looking files than any iPhone ever.

Although true, that line has become blurry recently. That fake bokeh is getting convincing for most scenarios. You're arguing with a brethren here btw. For me to admit that? A lot to say...

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2. Canon doesn't have a PDAF on-chip AF system ala Sony. It's either DPAF or CDAF. Given the recent G5X II using the latest non-PDAF 1" sensor, stacked-BSI at that, and the SX70, SX740 also use latest BSI sensors also with latest DIGIC8, and, the G7X III uses the latest DIGIC8 and stacked 1", there's really no-where to go. DIGICX "eats" too much power for a smaller platform. There's now nothing to refresh on either the SX70, SX740, G5X II or G7X III, unless, Canon is considering using their latest stacked sensor fabs for some smaller chips and doing a limited DPAF run. But, for what audience? Perhaps DPAF for the G7X IV and the vloggers? That's about all I can think of.

.

3. The G3X "bridge" camera series is retired, unofficially.

.

4. That just leaves the possibility of a G9X III ala DIGIC8 and stacked CMOS refresh, but is unlikely due to price. And the G1X Mark IV. The problem with the latter, is there a market big enough to produce it at a price point viable for both bringing to market, and profitability?

.

I think Canon may double down on some at-home tech, possibly a fixed lens, say 35mm offering perhaps, but the M200/M6II + 22 / RP + RF 35 already has that covered.

.

It really took me back to realize this may be it folks. Whatever plans Canon has at this point, that they think they can make money off of, are it, if there's any left. It's a moment for pause and reflection where things have come, and now gone.

.

It's making more sense now perhaps why Canon is rallying around the RF mount, and even ignoring the M mount. It's either the time to go big or go home, or, pretty close to it.

.

Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? What's left of it that is. That too... There's few of us left, that the smartphone hasn't claimed.

RLight wrote:

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

Has the PowerShot lineup reached the end as we know it? Consider:

.

1. The iPhone 13 Pro takes better pictures than all but the G1X Mark III in terms of both quality and versatility. Not even mentioning video...

This is not true.

1. Image quality difference between 12 Pro Max and 13 is practically none

Video quality is quite a bit better though. This has been a (previous) weak spot for Smartphones (low light and video). Still is, but it's improved.

1. Powershot SX60 kills 12 Pro Max in image quality comparison because it has REAL RAW

SX70 kills it more btw, and 110% agree. But again, there's no where for Canon do go with a SX80. The SX70 "is it". The end. No more point and shoots.

The trouble with the SXs probably is also that the mirrorless cams have almost become smaller than they are, of course not including the lens.

1. Thus Powershots with REAL RAW will always produce better looking files than any iPhone ever.

Although true, that line has become blurry recently. That fake bokeh is getting convincing for most scenarios. You're arguing with a brethren here btw. For me to admit that? A lot to say...

The complete lack of details and the overzealous noise reduction is what kills all practical use of iPhone for me as a camera.

But of course I use it as a documenting device, there are cases when the ultimate quality is not needed.

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2. Canon doesn't have a PDAF on-chip AF system ala Sony. It's either DPAF or CDAF. Given the recent G5X II using the latest non-PDAF 1" sensor, stacked-BSI at that, and the SX70, SX740 also use latest BSI sensors also with latest DIGIC8, and, the G7X III uses the latest DIGIC8 and stacked 1", there's really no-where to go. DIGICX "eats" too much power for a smaller platform. There's now nothing to refresh on either the SX70, SX740, G5X II or G7X III, unless, Canon is considering using their latest stacked sensor fabs for some smaller chips and doing a limited DPAF run. But, for what audience? Perhaps DPAF for the G7X IV and the vloggers? That's about all I can think of.

.

3. The G3X "bridge" camera series is retired, unofficially.

.

4. That just leaves the possibility of a G9X III ala DIGIC8 and stacked CMOS refresh, but is unlikely due to price. And the G1X Mark IV. The problem with the latter, is there a market big enough to produce it at a price point viable for both bringing to market, and profitability?

.

I think Canon may double down on some at-home tech, possibly a fixed lens, say 35mm offering perhaps, but the M200/M6II + 22 / RP + RF 35 already has that covered.

.

It really took me back to realize this may be it folks. Whatever plans Canon has at this point, that they think they can make money off of, are it, if there's any left. It's a moment for pause and reflection where things have come, and now gone.

.

It's making more sense now perhaps why Canon is rallying around the RF mount, and even ignoring the M mount. It's either the time to go big or go home, or, pretty close to it.

.

Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? What's left of it that is. That too... There's few of us left, that the smartphone hasn't claimed.

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

KEG wrote:

RLight wrote:

Has the PowerShot lineup reached the end as we know it? Consider:

.

1. The iPhone 13 Pro takes better pictures than all but the G1X Mark III in terms of both quality and versatility. Not even mentioning video...

This is not true.

1. Image quality difference between 12 Pro Max and 13 is practically none

Video quality is quite a bit better though. This has been a (previous) weak spot for Smartphones (low light and video). Still is, but it's improved.

1. Powershot SX60 kills 12 Pro Max in image quality comparison because it has REAL RAW

SX70 kills it more btw, and 110% agree. But again, there's no where for Canon do go with a SX80. The SX70 "is it". The end. No more point and shoots.

The trouble with the SXs probably is also that the mirrorless cams have almost become smaller than they are, of course not including the lens.

Its all about the lens, still.

1. Thus Powershots with REAL RAW will always produce better looking files than any iPhone ever.

Although true, that line has become blurry recently. That fake bokeh is getting convincing for most scenarios. You're arguing with a brethren here btw. For me to admit that? A lot to say...

The complete lack of details and the overzealous noise reduction is what kills all practical use of iPhone for me as a camera.

But of course I use it as a documenting device, there are cases when the ultimate quality is not needed.

Those iPhones are decent these days. But smartphone makers are running out of tricks, too.

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2. Canon doesn't have a PDAF on-chip AF system ala Sony. It's either DPAF or CDAF. Given the recent G5X II using the latest non-PDAF 1" sensor, stacked-BSI at that, and the SX70, SX740 also use latest BSI sensors also with latest DIGIC8, and, the G7X III uses the latest DIGIC8 and stacked 1", there's really no-where to go. DIGICX "eats" too much power for a smaller platform. There's now nothing to refresh on either the SX70, SX740, G5X II or G7X III, unless, Canon is considering using their latest stacked sensor fabs for some smaller chips and doing a limited DPAF run. But, for what audience? Perhaps DPAF for the G7X IV and the vloggers? That's about all I can think of.

.

3. The G3X "bridge" camera series is retired, unofficially.

.

4. That just leaves the possibility of a G9X III ala DIGIC8 and stacked CMOS refresh, but is unlikely due to price. And the G1X Mark IV. The problem with the latter, is there a market big enough to produce it at a price point viable for both bringing to market, and profitability?

.

I think Canon may double down on some at-home tech, possibly a fixed lens, say 35mm offering perhaps, but the M200/M6II + 22 / RP + RF 35 already has that covered.

.

It really took me back to realize this may be it folks. Whatever plans Canon has at this point, that they think they can make money off of, are it, if there's any left. It's a moment for pause and reflection where things have come, and now gone.

.

It's making more sense now perhaps why Canon is rallying around the RF mount, and even ignoring the M mount. It's either the time to go big or go home, or, pretty close to it.

.

Any thoughts from the peanut gallery? What's left of it that is. That too... There's few of us left, that the smartphone hasn't claimed.

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KEG

Canon's Powershot TX1 from 2007 was a very robust, versatile, small, easily pocketable pistol grip model.

It was my standby travel camera for about seven years, and is still a convenient sound, still, and stereo video taker; albeit, now far behind in IQ, wide angle, and many features which are common in current models of digicams.

An updated TX2 version, with a larger LCD, a convenient EVF, a larger sensor, faster  zoom, slightly larger controls, with some of the software bells and whistles of a phone camera, could give phone cameras some competition.

RLight wrote:

Dors wrote:

Powershot is not only G cameras, there is also superzooms! (that you didn't mention.) Phones can come very close to Gs but superzooms are untouchable for them.

The SX70 and SX740 (mentioned) are Canon's last refreshes to the superzoom lineup.

As I pointed out, there's nothing to do as they already have BSI sensors with DIGIC8 processors. Anything more requires Canon make their own sensor, which they could and may, but for what? Slight AF bump, for a dying market? Canon will sell units already in inventory which they probably have a substantial stockpile of. There's just no-where to go from here for those superzoom that Canon hasn't already ala SX70 / SX740.

I'd like to see better image quality for both (more detail and less smearing). I want to buy an SX70 to replace my failing FZ300 but I don't think I could live with the downgrade in image quality.

The SX740 doesn't have a viewfinder, it's rivals do. So that's something they could add. Does the SX740 now let us pick an AF point other than the centre? That can get annoying sometimes when I shoot my SX240.

I think a modern version of an A series camera would be a good seller. A 12MP sensor like the SX50. A short but fast useful zoom lens. A fixed EVF, none of that pop-up rubbish And at a sensible price. The 1" sensor cameras are very expensive.

bgreg wrote: Canon helped kill the point and shoot when they killed the viewfinder . It was one of the important things that differentiated phone photography from camera photography -and still is. I still prefer a small camera with a viewfinder of some type over what these days is essentially a tablet with a camera forcing one to take pictures with arms waving wildly in front of your face. The last thing I want in my camera is a phone. Yes there are a very small number of newer powershots with viewfinders that are (IMO) overpriced so I went the ilc route basically for the viewfinder and lens choice reasons. I will probably not buy a Power Shot in the future (if there is a Power Shot future) and it's not because of phones. I don't own a phone(tablet) and can't see it ever happening. Just my $.02 on the subject.

I use ClearViewer accessories on my small cameras that lack VFs.. My hands and my hat/cap brims help shade the screen; my hand, resting against my forehead helps steady the camera; and whilst keeping my glasses on, my right eye can focus on the screen and my left eye can notice any  out-of-frame problems that might interrupt the picture

As I keep my cameras in a small cross body bag, it's easy to grab or replace cameras as needed, with the ClearViewer fitted.

Perhaps phone makers will one day add a small EVF to remedy the problem, though why camera makers could not afford even a simple fold-down VF like those on many cheap cameras half a century ago, seems odd.

1) How are you viewing pictures?  On a phone or small print or screen or most casual viewing, you're not going to detect differences anything other than huge differences in image quality.  Even under more critical conditions, people have done blind comparison tests for years and found much less difference than might be expected between all sorts of cameras.

On a similar note, look at the m43 forum where many say that there's no image quality difference between m43 and FF.  There's a 2:1 sensor area difference between m43 and FF. The relative difference between powershots and phones can be the same if not smaller.

2) Are you trying to freeze action or blur moving water?  Your phone is not likely to know and few have shutter speed controls.

3) Do you want shallow depth of field? Phones can simulate background blur, but cameras do it better.

3) Remember that at the same framing, depth of field, shutter speed and subject lighting, noise will be the same regardless of sensor size.

4) Lenses can be better on cameras. If nothing else, larger sensors require less enlargement to get to the same picture size, so a lower lp/mm lens can yield a better result.

5) Cameras can have a much wider range of focal lengths. Digital zoom doesn't work as well. OTOH, some phones are multiples lenses, lessening the camera's advantage.

It would be nice if some powershots went wider than 24mm FF equivalent.

6) There's no reason a camera can't have the same computational photography capability as a phone has.  Even if the camera doesn't, it can shoot bursts and you can do computational photography as well or better than a phone with software.

7) Cameras can do much better on moving subjects - sports, wildlife, toddlers, etc.

8) Good technique is easier on a camera, at least for me. I have a harder time holding a phone still, which matters both for limiting blur and not changing framing.

People tend to not be as careful with phone photography as with cameras - composition, technique, etc.