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Son of Thunder
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Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

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prospects Regular Member • Posts: 285
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Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

Sigma already have precedence with EFM with the Sigma trio primes. Maybe they will at a later date? However, if Sigma lens sales for EFM are low, they might just think that it’s not viable.

The M50 sold really well, but it’s now discontinued and to be frank, I haven’t heard anything about the m50II or M6II being a best seller.

nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
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Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50.

Collectively, the Sony E mount outsells the EF-M mount by a large margin. Sony's head start in the mirrorless market also means their user base is far, far larger.

The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

This new Sigma lens lacks stabilization which limits the utility on M bodies as none have IBIS.

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prospects wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

Sigma already have precedence with EFM with the Sigma trio primes. Maybe they will at a later date? However, if Sigma lens sales for EFM are low, they might just think that it’s not viable.

The M50 sold really well, but it’s now discontinued and to be frank, I haven’t heard anything about the m50II or M6II being a best seller.

The M50II doesn't sell that well because it is the exact same camera with a firmware update

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dan the man p Senior Member • Posts: 1,201
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Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

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GinaRothfels Regular Member • Posts: 348
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nnowak wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50.

Collectively, the Sony E mount outsells the EF-M mount by a large margin. Sony's head start in the mirrorless market also means their user base is far, far larger.

The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

This new Sigma lens lacks stabilization which limits the utility on M bodies as none have IBIS.

That is a problem. A quick Google search for "Canon EF-M with IBIS" showed rumours that it was coming in reports going back about 18 months, but nothing recently. I really need an M5 mark II with IBIS.

For a long time I promised myself I wouldn't upgrade until that camera became a reality, but I eventually succumbed to the desire for RAW burst mode with pre-shooting and focus bracketing in the M6 mark II. I hate using the external viewfinder though, but can't manage without it.

I'd still be interested in a 2.8 zoom though. I've been tempted by the Sigma 17-70mm F2.8, but the size puts me off. Kind of negates the advantage of having a small camera. The weight is slightly less, but by the time the viewfinder is added, there's very little difference to the size on the 80D which I still own.

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dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet!  It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years).  I’m buying on announcement!  

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sgangker Regular Member • Posts: 119
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R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

+1

Agreed. Having stabilization might have its advantage but it is not a deal-breaker. I have seem so many nice photos in this forum taken with lenses with no stabilization (Canon 22mm, 32mm and Sigma trio.

Sony E-mount (aps-c) might be a bigger market but there are already quite a no. of competition in there (Sony 16-55mm F2.8 and Tamron 17-70mm F2.8). So far, there are no constant F2.8 zoom in EF-M mount yet. If Sigma introduce it in EF-M mount, it might outsell the e-mount version.

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rz64 Regular Member • Posts: 454
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sgangker wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

+1

Agreed. Having stabilization might have its advantage but it is not a deal-breaker. I have seem so many nice photos in this forum taken with lenses with no stabilization (Canon 22mm, 32mm and Sigma trio.

Sony E-mount (aps-c) might be a bigger market but there are already quite a no. of competition in there (Sony 16-55mm F2.8 and Tamron 17-70mm F2.8). So far, there are no constant F2.8 zoom in EF-M mount yet. If Sigma introduce it in EF-M mount, it might outsell the e-mount version.

+1

I also had no problem with the lack of IBIS. If this lens were available, I would not hesitate.

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DjangoChained Forum Member • Posts: 91
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It's not only Sigma who seems to be abandoning Canon crop. Tamron produced a 18-200mm for EF-M in the past, so protocols should be known.

Now they have a new 18-300 for Sony and even for Fuji, but no sign of a Canon versiob... Maybe it's really not worth the effort for them.

rz64 Regular Member • Posts: 454
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DjangoChained wrote:

It's not only Sigma who seems to be abandoning Canon crop. Tamron produced a 18-200mm for EF-M in the past, so protocols should be known.

Now they have a new 18-300 for Sony and even for Fuji, but no sign of a Canon versiob... Maybe it's really not worth the effort for them.

I don't know what "signals" those firms get from Canon. Is it their own decision to abandon a certain system? Or does their decision depend on what Canon tells them?

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DjangoChained wrote:

It's not only Sigma who seems to be abandoning Canon crop. Tamron produced a 18-200mm for EF-M in the past, so protocols should be known.

Now they have a new 18-300 for Sony and even for Fuji, but no sign of a Canon versiob... Maybe it's really not worth the effort for them.

Tamron has historically had problems keeping up with Canon’s protocols.  I just don’t think they have (or perhaps devote) enough resources to it.

OTOH the Sigmas I trust, and are proven.

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Son of Thunder wrote:

prospects wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

Sigma already have precedence with EFM with the Sigma trio primes. Maybe they will at a later date? However, if Sigma lens sales for EFM are low, they might just think that it’s not viable.

The M50 sold really well, but it’s now discontinued and to be frank, I haven’t heard anything about the m50II or M6II being a best seller.

The M50II doesn't sell that well because it is the exact same camera with a firmware update

That would be relevant for upgraders, but for anyone initially choosing between the two, the M50 Mark II would be the obvious (and smart) choice.

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
Re: New Sigma 18-50 2.8

R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

if they do it, it will be hard to resist

Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary Review - YouTube

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Rock and Rollei Senior Member • Posts: 2,899
Re: New Sigma 18-50 2.8

MAC wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

if they do it, it will be hard to resist

Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary Review - YouTube

Not for me. I really do need 15mm. The number of times I've bought standard zooms that don't cover 24mm FFE and then not used them enough to justify it isn't funny, so I think this time, I've learned my lesson. But it looks so good....

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MAC Forum Pro • Posts: 18,487
Re: New Sigma 18-50 2.8

Rock and Rollei wrote:

MAC wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

if they do it, it will be hard to resist

Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary Review - YouTube

Not for me. I really do need 15mm. The number of times I've bought standard zooms that don't cover 24mm FFE and then not used them enough to justify it isn't funny, so I think this time, I've learned my lesson. But it looks so good....

to make it small they did that I guess

I agree on the 24 mm.  24 mm is essential for me.  And IS would be nice.  This is why I have the RP + RF 24-105 F4 IS.  So for me it would be easier to resist because my RP setup is relatively small with such great IQ at 24 mm.   An M5II with IBIS might get me there.  But Canon doesn't seem interested in this m mount which is further reason to pause.  Unfortunate, because small is where it will be at down the road.  I guess if they put a new FF sensor in the RP that is as good as the M6II sensor, but a FF version, and they gave the RP all the speed elements of the M6II, and they gave it a great e-shutter implementation, all for $850, then I'd probably use the FF more.

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dan the man p Senior Member • Posts: 1,201
Re: New Sigma 18-50 2.8

Rock and Rollei wrote:

MAC wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

if they do it, it will be hard to resist

Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary Review - YouTube

Not for me. I really do need 15mm. The number of times I've bought standard zooms that don't cover 24mm FFE and then not used them enough to justify it isn't funny, so I think this time, I've learned my lesson. But it looks so good....

Personally, I'd just get the tiny 11-22 and bring it along any time I thought I'd need wide angle. Actually, I think I'm going to do that anyway and replace my 15-45 with the 18-55. (I've been comparing them both lately, and my copy of the 18-55 is definitely looking better. But that's a different story.)

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nnowak Veteran Member • Posts: 9,074
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rz64 wrote:

DjangoChained wrote:

It's not only Sigma who seems to be abandoning Canon crop. Tamron produced a 18-200mm for EF-M in the past, so protocols should be known.

Now they have a new 18-300 for Sony and even for Fuji, but no sign of a Canon versiob... Maybe it's really not worth the effort for them.

I don't know what "signals" those firms get from Canon. Is it their own decision to abandon a certain system? Or does their decision depend on what Canon tells them?

At this point, both Tamron and Sigma have enough sales data on their prior EF-M mount lenses to use as a guide.  While the Sigmas may be popular in this forum, my sense is the majority of M system buyers tends to stick with just one or two kit lenses.

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MAC wrote:

Rock and Rollei wrote:

MAC wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

if they do it, it will be hard to resist

Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary Review - YouTube

Not for me. I really do need 15mm. The number of times I've bought standard zooms that don't cover 24mm FFE and then not used them enough to justify it isn't funny, so I think this time, I've learned my lesson. But it looks so good....

to make it small they did that I guess

I agree on the 24 mm. 24 mm is essential for me. And IS would be nice. This is why I have the RP + RF 24-105 F4 IS. So for me it would be easier to resist because my RP setup is relatively small with such great IQ at 24 mm. An M5II with IBIS might get me there. But Canon doesn't seem interested in this m mount which is further reason to pause. Unfortunate, because small is where it will be at down the road. I guess if they put a new FF sensor in the RP that is as good as the M6II sensor, but a FF version, and they gave the RP all the speed elements of the M6II, and they gave it a great e-shutter implementation, all for $850, then I'd probably use the FF more.

I don't think it's the mount that bores Canon so much as the format.  EOS M has got a workable range of slow, small zooms, a smattering of fast small primes and pretty well native access to EF for fast teles and specialist lenses.  Job done for Canon, they have been making it obvious from the start that they see EOS M as a small system for non-enthusiasts and for people wanting a small complement to their FF cameras.

Something like this Sigma would be a worthy addition.   18-50mm is a nice range for me, though I'd prefer it to go to 62mm for portraits.  That would probably make the lens too big though.  I have difficulty with 15-45mm because I find the 35-50mm range difficult to use on APS-C and not that interesting - things only start to get interesting for me beyond 55mm.  A really tiny fast 15-35mm would perhaps be fun, but it wouldn't sell that well and I'd probably stick to my 11-22mm for the IS.

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Sittatunga wrote:

MAC wrote:

Rock and Rollei wrote:

MAC wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

dan the man p wrote:

Son of Thunder wrote:

Now not even be biased why did the M-Mount not get the new sigma lens. Sony makes some great aps-c camera but none of them outsell the M50. The R mount is highly guarded I get that but canon really aren't introducing a lot of glass for the M-mount let somebody do it.

I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that Sigma does production runs in one mount before moving to the next. So they may make a bunch for Sony E-Mount and then produce some for EF-M. That's what I'm hoping anyway. I do believe that they released the Sigma trio of primes for Canon after Sony, so there is some precedence for that. However, if that does happen, it could still be a couple years before we get it.

A big +1

Don’t count out an EF-M version just yet! It’s going to be hugely useful even without stabilization (I’ve shot with that range for years). I’m buying on announcement!

R2

if they do it, it will be hard to resist

Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC DN Contemporary Review - YouTube

Not for me. I really do need 15mm. The number of times I've bought standard zooms that don't cover 24mm FFE and then not used them enough to justify it isn't funny, so I think this time, I've learned my lesson. But it looks so good....

to make it small they did that I guess

I agree on the 24 mm. 24 mm is essential for me. And IS would be nice. This is why I have the RP + RF 24-105 F4 IS. So for me it would be easier to resist because my RP setup is relatively small with such great IQ at 24 mm. An M5II with IBIS might get me there. But Canon doesn't seem interested in this m mount which is further reason to pause. Unfortunate, because small is where it will be at down the road. I guess if they put a new FF sensor in the RP that is as good as the M6II sensor, but a FF version, and they gave the RP all the speed elements of the M6II, and they gave it a great e-shutter implementation, all for $850, then I'd probably use the FF more.

I don't think it's the mount that bores Canon so much as the format. EOS M has got a workable range of slow, small zooms, a smattering of fast small primes and pretty well native access to EF for fast teles and specialist lenses. Job done for Canon, they have been making it obvious from the start that they see EOS M as a small system for non-enthusiasts and for people wanting a small complement to their FF cameras.

where did they say "non-enthusiasts"?  Why did they introduce the 32 f1.4, a pro lens, or the m6II with 14 fps, if it was for "non-enthusiasts".

Something like this Sigma would be a worthy addition. 18-50mm is a nice range for me, though I'd prefer it to go to 62mm for portraits.

the 50 mm is FF equivalent of 80 mm F4.5 which is decent for subject isolation.  the 18-50 would be nice combined with the m6II low light focus capability and DXO PL5

That would probably make the lens too big though. I have difficulty with 15-45mm because I find the 35-50mm range difficult to use on APS-C and not that interesting - things only start to get interesting for me beyond 55mm. A really tiny fast 15-35mm would perhaps be fun, but it wouldn't sell that well and I'd probably stick to my 11-22mm for the IS.

I'm still on the fence about the 11-22.  I would only use 11-14 since I have the RF 24-105 F4 IS on the RP.  I'm waiting for the 18-45 for the RP

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