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RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?

Started Oct 23, 2021 | Questions
Dave Lasker Regular Member • Posts: 345
RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?

My RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 is due to arrive today, and I can't wait to try it out! I'm curious what people are doing about the lack of a lens profile for Raw processing in PS/LR? Is there a different lens profile that works for it? Or are you correcting manually with the Distortion, Defringe, and Vignetting sliders? Or is the lens good enough that no correction is needed?

I'd rather not mess around with DPP if at all possible.

Thanks for the help!

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Karl_Guttag Senior Member • Posts: 1,883
Re: RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?
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Dave Lasker wrote:

My RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 is due to arrive today, and I can't wait to try it out! I'm curious what people are doing about the lack of a lens profile for Raw processing in PS/LR? Is there a different lens profile that works for it? Or are you correcting manually with the Distortion, Defringe, and Vignetting sliders? Or is the lens good enough that no correction is needed?

I'd rather not mess around with DPP if at all possible.

Thanks for the help!

Bad news, as far as I have seen with other lenses, you can't expect profiles from the other companies for a month or two.  From my personal experience, DxO is pretty quick with rolling out new profiles (maybe about one month from first shipping), and Adobe seems slower.

BTW, I have stopped using Adobe Camera RAW, and it is so bad. I have compared it repeatedly to DxO with DeepPrime, and it loses in terms of detail, and the noise is about 2 to 3 stops worse.

Some people have reported using a "close lens" and then tweaking it if the software will allow using the wrong lens profile.  I would just stick with DPP4, as painful as that can be, until your favorite software (hopefully not Adobe RAW) has a profile.

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GraphAD Regular Member • Posts: 133
Re: RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?

Dave Lasker wrote:

My RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 is due to arrive today, and I can't wait to try it out! I'm curious what people are doing about the lack of a lens profile for Raw processing in PS/LR? Is there a different lens profile that works for it? Or are you correcting manually with the Distortion, Defringe, and Vignetting sliders? Or is the lens good enough that no correction is needed?

I'd rather not mess around with DPP if at all possible.

Thanks for the help!

I used my 100-400 today over 900 shots, I use Lightroom, no need for a profile, this lens has no distortion, no fringe, an amazing lens. Hope you have some fun with it.

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Stig Nygaard
Stig Nygaard Regular Member • Posts: 385
Re: RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?

I have the lens on order. Don't know when I will receive it. So of course I cannot speak of practical experience with that particular lens. However in general I find tele(zooms) rarely has so much distortion that lens profile is needed for correction. Partly because distortion for teles generally are smaller than for wideangle lenses, but also because the motives I do with tele lenses rarely are sensitive to a little distortion. So usually I don't apply lens distortion correction to my tele-shots at all.

As for vignette I find it easy to correct manually. And even when I have it corrected by lens profile, I often add vignette in post because I like to close the corners to create a more harmonic or "balanced" look.

So personally, I wouldn't worry at all

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funjp
funjp Regular Member • Posts: 154
Hopes for October 27th Update

I'm hoping that your lens and the RF 100mm IS F2.8 L Macro will get profiles with Adobe's October Update that it seems is due to be released on Adobe Max .

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Kameratrollet Senior Member • Posts: 1,099
Re: RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?

Wait for an update or create a profile yourself. If you are lucky Adobe releases it this month.

Karl_Guttag wrote:

Dave Lasker wrote:

My RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 is due to arrive today, and I can't wait to try it out! I'm curious what people are doing about the lack of a lens profile for Raw processing in PS/LR? Is there a different lens profile that works for it? Or are you correcting manually with the Distortion, Defringe, and Vignetting sliders? Or is the lens good enough that no correction is needed?

I'd rather not mess around with DPP if at all possible.

Thanks for the help!

Bad news, as far as I have seen with other lenses, you can't expect profiles from the other companies for a month or two. From my personal experience, DxO is pretty quick with rolling out new profiles (maybe about one month from first shipping), and Adobe seems slower.

The others are using Lensfun (DxO and C1 don't use Lensfun). It takes 1 minute to take vignetting correction samples/focal length, so less than 10 minutes for 100-400.

Distortion correction samples could take some minutes. You just need to find the right place. CA correction could you just use the same pictures as for distortion correction.

After that distortion calibration in Hugin is what will take most of the time. In the video it took 5 minutes for a non zoom lens. For a zoom lens it will take 5 times longer. The reason why it takes time for the other companies is because they wait for users to do it.

There has been a lot of talk about RF16/2.8 STM and its distortion, but nobody has, what I have seen, taken a single picture of something that could be used to create a decent distortion correction profile from, like this picture.

What I found was a stone wall picture taken at close distance, so I created a distortion correction profile from that https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65570007?image=0

So now it is possible to use RF16/2.8 STM distortion correction profile in RawTherapee, ART, darktable, DigiKam, Topaz Studio, Photomatix, ON1, ACDSee, easyHDR, SILKYPIX and Affinity Photo.

If anyone wants better Lensfun distortion correction profile for RF16/2.8 STM, then take a correct raw sample.

GrunRad
GrunRad Regular Member • Posts: 118
Re: RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?

I think that the ACR lens profile for the RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1works quite well.

400 mm at F11

100 mm at F11

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OP Dave Lasker Regular Member • Posts: 345
Re: RF 100-400mm F5.6-8 Adobe PS/LR Lens Profile?

I received my lens yesterday and I love it! I took a few test shots of rectilinear buildings. The lens appears to have just a bit of pincushion distortion and quite a bit of vignetting. GrunRad's suggestion to use the RF 100-500 profile seems to work quite well. It does an almost perfect job on the distortion, and corrects most (but not all) of the vignetting.
Playing with the LR sliders with no profile, setting distortion to -3 to -6 and vignetting from +25 to +60 (depending of focal length) does a good job. Hopefully Adobe will support this lens soon.

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