Breathing room for the X-H2?

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palane Regular Member • Posts: 255
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For someone making money from using cameras,I'd agree about it being a "tool of the trade".

For the rest of us ,a creative device that ranges in form from phone cameras(the most used "tool") up to mega $ equipment.Making images/content is great fun so Cameras are toys for the boys(and girls)!

Samuraidog Senior Member • Posts: 1,201
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palane wrote:

For someone making money from using cameras,I'd agree about it being a "tool of the trade".

For the rest of us ,a creative device that ranges in form from phone cameras(the most used "tool") up to mega $ equipment.Making images/content is great fun so Cameras are toys for the boys(and girls)!

That is exactly what it is for me. I'm not good at photography, but it provides a nice distraction from everyday life.

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Claes Regular Member • Posts: 413
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I think the x-h2 needs to differentiate itself from an xt5, not the same camera in different body kind of thing the x-h1.

I do not think we will get sony/canon AF with next gen fuji, it has taken them a LONG time to get there.

Fuji is much smaller than them, it should really take longer, if at all.

Keep the x-h1 body, awesome as it is. Grip could be fuller, a bit "thin" width wise.

Then make it properly powerful, so it really stands out compared to an xt5, that gets the same sensor.

Zinch Contributing Member • Posts: 724
Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

Claes wrote:

I think the x-h2 needs to differentiate itself from an xt5, not the same camera in different body kind of thing the x-h1.

I do not think we will get sony/canon AF with next gen fuji, it has taken them a LONG time to get there.

Fuji is much smaller than them, it should really take longer, if at all.

Keep the x-h1 body, awesome as it is. Grip could be fuller, a bit "thin" width wise.

Then make it properly powerful, so it really stands out compared to an xt5, that gets the same sensor.

I think the X-H2 will differentiate itself from the X-T5 (and other Fuji cameras) by the sensor.

There is no way the X-T5 has a 40MP stacked sensor. It would cost the same as the X-H2.

Fuji will need another sensor for the other lines (X-E, X-T40, X-S20) anyway...

I also think the X-H2 will have a flipoy screen (and maybe unlabeled dials) while the X-T5 will come back to a tilting screen like the X-T3.

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Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

Zinch wrote:

Claes wrote:

I think the x-h2 needs to differentiate itself from an xt5, not the same camera in different body kind of thing the x-h1.

I do not think we will get sony/canon AF with next gen fuji, it has taken them a LONG time to get there.

Fuji is much smaller than them, it should really take longer, if at all.

Keep the x-h1 body, awesome as it is. Grip could be fuller, a bit "thin" width wise.

Then make it properly powerful, so it really stands out compared to an xt5, that gets the same sensor.

I think the X-H2 will differentiate itself from the X-T5 (and other Fuji cameras) by the sensor.

There is no way the X-T5 has a 40MP stacked sensor. It would cost the same as the X-H2.

Fuji will need another sensor for the other lines (X-E, X-T40, X-S20) anyway...

I also think the X-H2 will have a flipoy screen (and maybe unlabeled dials) while the X-T5 will come back to a tilting screen like the X-T3.

Dear lord I hope not. I hope the XH2 has a tilt screen that moved in multiple directions. The XT4 lighter body came with a flippy screen and I think that will remain as the best camera for vloggers since they don't like heavy bodies. The XH2 should have a tilt screen like the panasonic S series bodies or the new nikon Z9. But then again Fuji has been making way too many wacky bodies lately so who knows what da heck they will come out with next.

Canon on the other hand has gone 100% flippy screen, which I personally do not like.  Darn flippy screens! 

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OP Canadianguy Senior Member • Posts: 2,812
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Batdude wrote:

Zinch wrote:

Claes wrote:

I think the x-h2 needs to differentiate itself from an xt5, not the same camera in different body kind of thing the x-h1.

I do not think we will get sony/canon AF with next gen fuji, it has taken them a LONG time to get there.

Fuji is much smaller than them, it should really take longer, if at all.

Keep the x-h1 body, awesome as it is. Grip could be fuller, a bit "thin" width wise.

Then make it properly powerful, so it really stands out compared to an xt5, that gets the same sensor.

I think the X-H2 will differentiate itself from the X-T5 (and other Fuji cameras) by the sensor.

There is no way the X-T5 has a 40MP stacked sensor. It would cost the same as the X-H2.

Fuji will need another sensor for the other lines (X-E, X-T40, X-S20) anyway...

I also think the X-H2 will have a flipoy screen (and maybe unlabeled dials) while the X-T5 will come back to a tilting screen like the X-T3.

Dear lord I hope not. I hope the XH2 has a tilt screen that moved in multiple directions. The XT4 lighter body came with a flippy screen and I think that will remain as the best camera for vloggers since they don't like heavy bodies. The XH2 should have a tilt screen like the panasonic S series bodies or the new nikon Z9. But then again Fuji has been making way too many wacky bodies lately so who knows what da heck they will come out with next.

Canon on the other hand has gone 100% flippy screen, which I personally do not like. Darn flippy screens!

That was my thinking as well - Fujifilm cannot afford to put a stacked sensor in a $999 body.

Their strategy of reusing the same sensor and processor across a price range of 1899 to 999 bodies didn't work. Even the X-T4 - 1699 is really hard for them to hold onto.

If they want to push pass 2K into 2199 - 2499 pricing - that sensor / processor combo cannot be seen to be coming in a $999 body in 6 months time.

palane Regular Member • Posts: 255
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The reason why the same sensor can be reused in the numerous models is that the first camera released " probably" pays for the R&D if it sells well.

The expected sequence of bodies is likely H2.  T5. Pro4. All dual slot flagshippish style bodies with high prices.Then the smaller bodies will follow S20 T40 E5,with 100 series in the mix somewhere.

I'm not too certain we will see the Bayer sensors again?

The current sensor processor combo is being drained for every last $,with WWT3/MK2 T30.These 2 recent bodies make the 8th and 9th to use the current generation.Fuji have never done this before.

OP Canadianguy Senior Member • Posts: 2,812
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palane wrote:

The reason why the same sensor can be reused in the numerous models is that the first camera released " probably" pays for the R&D if it sells well.

The expected sequence of bodies is likely H2. T5. Pro4. All dual slot flagshippish style bodies with high prices.Then the smaller bodies will follow S20 T40 E5,with 100 series in the mix somewhere.

I'm not too certain we will see the Bayer sensors again?

The current sensor processor combo is being drained for every last $,with WWT3/MK2 T30.These 2 recent bodies make the 8th and 9th to use the current generation.Fuji have never done this before.

I understand why a manufacturer would want to do reskin jobs. GM and Ford did it for years until they went bankrupt. Hasselblad tried it on some Sony models - we just made fun of them when it came out - but they were also limited editions for very limited sales. It doesn't work for high volume products.

Also when your top end is 1699 and bottom end is 999 - it can work for a while. Even at 1699 for the X-Pro line - they didn't expect high sales for it. It is a low sales model and one could argue the range finder and OVF commanded a premium.

But when they tried it for the X-H1 at 1899 and expect high sales - we all saw the push back on it. Not enough difference.

Now they want to try it at over 2K? I highly doubt it. The spread from top to bottom is just too much - you may as well paint the word "sucker" on the earlier adopters for the first release model of a stacked sensor camera if they are going to stick the same sensor / processor in a $999 model within a year.

The price spread of high to low cannot be that much if one wants to follow a reskin strategy.

rattrr75 Regular Member • Posts: 173
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palane wrote:

The reason why the same sensor can be reused in the numerous models is that the first camera released " probably" pays for the R&D if it sells well.

The expected sequence of bodies is likely H2. T5. Pro4. All dual slot flagshippish style bodies with high prices.Then the smaller bodies will follow S20 T40 E5,with 100 series in the mix somewhere.

I'm not too certain we will see the Bayer sensors again?

The current sensor processor combo is being drained for every last $,with WWT3/MK2 T30.These 2 recent bodies make the 8th and 9th to use the current generation.Fuji have never done this before.

This. If the X-H2 has a stacked 40MP sensor, who would buy an X-T5 that doesn’t have that same sensor?? Not me…

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palane Regular Member • Posts: 255
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There is a rumour of 2 different XH2 models,I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm expecting the H2 to come with a built in battery grip,THE "big boy" of the X series so to speak, then all the present bodies to follow as time passes.I think Fuji set the precedent with the GFX 100 then S.I can see them doing similar in crop too.

palane Regular Member • Posts: 255
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Fuji top end is 1999 u$d Dura Xpro,bottom end is 849 XE4.RRP.

Stretching to anticipated"below 2500" as indicated on the rumour site(they are usually correct) isn't an extraordinary ask considering the capability of H2(we dont know many details but,it will be awesome).

If the top end pricing rises, I expect the bottom end to follow.

Artur Darulewski Contributing Member • Posts: 839
Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

Claes wrote:

I think the x-h2 needs to differentiate itself from an xt5, not the same camera in different body kind of thing the x-h1.

It's obvious, otherwise +1$k for reinforced body only would be too much.

I do not think we will get sony/canon AF with next gen fuji, it has taken them a LONG time to get there.

Maybe not as good as in the latest S/C bodies, but AF is the one of the biggest drawbacks of X-system. The would be no reason to cook hi-end 150-600 without complementary body for wildlife/sport. I believe H2 should aim this segment - much better AF and H1-style  reinforced body. Why to buy it otherwise?

~$2.5k would be OK for competitve AF, stacked sensor, adequate processing power (dual CPU?), bigger battery (or integrated grip) and X-H1 class body.

Fuji is much smaller than them, it should really take longer, if at all.

True, but H2 should't be smaller than H1, for max portability we have E or Txx line.

Keep the x-h1 body, awesome as it is. Grip could be fuller, a bit "thin" width wise.

Then make it properly powerful, so it really stands out compared to an xt5, that gets the same sensor.

Amen.

This is a very hot topic, but for now we don't know too much except gossips about the sensor, approximate price and two versions/flavours. I think this might be clever if Fuji gives video-centric 8k version with FAS and better heat dissipation system in non sealed body together with wildlife oriented weatherproof model having tilt screen. I believe wildlife shooters won't need 8k video at all, while much bette C-AF performance and 20fps burst with no rolling shutter would be really appreciated.

I don't know if Sony really succeded (in terms of $income) with their R/S line split, but Fuji could do similar trick with 2 versions of H2. Unfortunately the more specific camera the higher price, and sky is not the limit in this case... Canon learned the lesson with R line and is back in the game. Would be very interesting if they release APS-C 7d successor (I don't expect that, but we never know...)

Anyway I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the X-H2. Hopefully in 4-6 months everything should be clear, meanwhile I'm happy with my X-T3 :).

Cheers,

Artur

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John Gellings
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Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

Claes wrote:

I think the x-h2 needs to differentiate itself from an xt5, not the same camera in different body kind of thing the x-h1.

I do not think we will get sony/canon AF with next gen fuji, it has taken them a LONG time to get there.

Fuji is much smaller than them, it should really take longer, if at all.

Keep the x-h1 body, awesome as it is. Grip could be fuller, a bit "thin" width wise.

Then make it properly powerful, so it really stands out compared to an xt5, that gets the same sensor.

So, you are saying the X-H2 will outsell the X-T5?

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Samuraidog Senior Member • Posts: 1,201
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I know we are talking about a different price range at $5.5k, but the Z9 looks amazing and AF tracking is on a whole new level.

https://youtu.be/PCpPHjZpEEY (Nigel Danson review of the Z9)

If Fujifilm can provide something similar with the X-H2 at $2.5k, it will be HUGE. I can't wait!

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Claes Regular Member • Posts: 413
Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

John Gellings wrote:

Claes wrote:

I think the x-h2 needs to differentiate itself from an xt5, not the same camera in different body kind of thing the x-h1.

I do not think we will get sony/canon AF with next gen fuji, it has taken them a LONG time to get there.

Fuji is much smaller than them, it should really take longer, if at all.

Keep the x-h1 body, awesome as it is. Grip could be fuller, a bit "thin" width wise.

Then make it properly powerful, so it really stands out compared to an xt5, that gets the same sensor.

So, you are saying the X-H2 will outsell the X-T5?

How did you draw that conclusion from what I wrote?

Claes Regular Member • Posts: 413
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Samuraidog wrote:

I know we are talking about a different price range at $5.5k, but the Z9 looks amazing and AF tracking is on a whole new level.

https://youtu.be/PCpPHjZpEEY (Nigel Danson review of the Z9)

If Fujifilm can provide something similar with the X-H2 at $2.5k, it will be HUGE. I can't wait!

Why would fuji not be able to charge more than 2.5k then?

Look at canons sport bodies, with aps h, not far from apsc, they have been super expensive.

I really think, if fuji could cram sony a1/nikon z9 performance, minus sensor size, of course, could charge way more than 2.5k. I really do not understand this idea of the cap of 2.5k.

Now, fuji might not have the "eco system" for that type of camera, so it makes no sense per se. But an all dancing all singing xh-2 with blistering performance, could command more than 2.5k, a lot more, if the eco system was there. Now the eco system is a lens of 1 in my mind, for that type of camera.

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Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

Samuraidog wrote:

I know we are talking about a different price range at $5.5k, but the Z9 looks amazing and AF tracking is on a whole new level.

https://youtu.be/PCpPHjZpEEY (Nigel Danson review of the Z9)

If Fujifilm can provide something similar with the X-H2 at $2.5k, it will be HUGE. I can't wait!

Expectations are way too high here…Poor Fuji.

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Zinch Contributing Member • Posts: 724
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Samuraidog wrote:

I know we are talking about a different price range at $5.5k, but the Z9 looks amazing and AF tracking is on a whole new level.

https://youtu.be/PCpPHjZpEEY (Nigel Danson review of the Z9)

If Fujifilm can provide something similar with the X-H2 at $2.5k, it will be HUGE. I can't wait!

It's an impressive camera, specialy for that price, but one of the reasons why is that "cheap" is why I don't like it: the lack of mechanical shutter.

I hope Fuji keeps the mechanical shutter (at least in the X-Tx line)

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Samuraidog Senior Member • Posts: 1,201
Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

John Gellings wrote:

Samuraidog wrote:

I know we are talking about a different price range at $5.5k, but the Z9 looks amazing and AF tracking is on a whole new level.

https://youtu.be/PCpPHjZpEEY (Nigel Danson review of the Z9)

If Fujifilm can provide something similar with the X-H2 at $2.5k, it will be HUGE. I can't wait!

Expectations are way too high here…Poor Fuji.

I realize that I have high expectations here, but I'm thinking Fujifilm must know they have something special on hand considering the competition and their remarks about it being worth the wait. I also think they want to make a grand showing for their 10th anniversary body, so I'm thinking it will be special.

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John Gellings
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Re: Breathing room for the X-H2?

Samuraidog wrote:

John Gellings wrote:

Samuraidog wrote:

I know we are talking about a different price range at $5.5k, but the Z9 looks amazing and AF tracking is on a whole new level.

https://youtu.be/PCpPHjZpEEY (Nigel Danson review of the Z9)

If Fujifilm can provide something similar with the X-H2 at $2.5k, it will be HUGE. I can't wait!

Expectations are way too high here…Poor Fuji.

I realize that I have high expectations here, but I'm thinking Fujifilm must know they have something special on hand considering the competition and their remarks about it being worth the wait. I also think they want to make a grand showing for their 10th anniversary body, so I'm thinking it will be special.

I’m not so sure the 10th anniversary of the X camera will be big deal to them… I mean they’ve been making cameras a lot longer than that.

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