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Stellar lens, no weak spots

Started Oct 13, 2021 | User reviews
dmanthree
dmanthree Forum Pro • Posts: 10,302
Stellar lens, no weak spots
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After using this lens for a few months, I can't find any real weaknesses. Five star lens, no question.

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Canon RF 70-200 F4L IS USM
Telephoto zoom lens • Canon RF
Announced: Nov 4, 2020
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Sinawang Regular Member • Posts: 133
Re: Stellar lens, no weak spots
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I have to agree in term of optical performance and form factor, but I already got mold spot on the backside of its front element, and Canon refused to do something with it as it's not covered under warranty.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65475829

Seeing my RF 50mm f1.8 doesn't have sealing and no problem with the lens, the mold inside this sealed Pro grade lens almost makes my mind doesn't want to sleep at night.

dmanthree
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Re: Stellar lens, no weak spots

Sinawang wrote:

I have to agree in term of optical performance and form factor, but I already got mold spot on the backside of its front element, and Canon refused to do something with it as it's not covered under warranty.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65475829

Seeing my RF 50mm f1.8 doesn't have sealing and no problem with the lens, the mold inside this sealed Pro grade lens almost makes my mind doesn't want to sleep at night.

What shooting conditions lead to a mold spot inside the lens?

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Sinawang Regular Member • Posts: 133
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I haven't done any outing in rainy condition with the lens, but I quite often shoot waterfals and fields in morning dew. The weather sealing makes me confident to shoot in such conditions but there you go, the mold managed to get inside the lens. Anything's possible, but that mold inside my RF 70-200 f4 L will disturbing my mind forever.

I saw someone abbused their cameras and lenses under the rain or beach by let them get wet with no problems, and I'm not even close doing something like that and there's a problem.

higheronymous
higheronymous Regular Member • Posts: 271
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dmanthree wrote:

Sinawang wrote:

I have to agree in term of optical performance and form factor, but I already got mold spot on the backside of its front element, and Canon refused to do something with it as it's not covered under warranty.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65475829

Seeing my RF 50mm f1.8 doesn't have sealing and no problem with the lens, the mold inside this sealed Pro grade lens almost makes my mind doesn't want to sleep at night.

What shooting conditions lead to a mold spot inside the lens?

If you have the Carepak Canon will fix your lens free of charge. Recommend you buy that next time it is actually a great deal.

As you apparently don't have that I am sure Canon will fix it if you pay them. I recently sent in my EOS R for a shutter replacement, cost $400 but it's working now.

RogerZoul
RogerZoul Veteran Member • Posts: 3,243
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Sinawang wrote:

I haven't done any outing in rainy condition with the lens, but I quite often shoot waterfals and fields in morning dew. The weather sealing makes me confident to shoot in such conditions but there you go, the mold managed to get inside the lens. Anything's possible, but that mold inside my RF 70-200 f4 L will disturbing my mind forever.

I saw someone abbused their cameras and lenses under the rain or beach by let them get wet with no problems, and I'm not even close doing something like that and there's a problem.

I feel your pain on this.  I suggest you pay Canon to fix it. Also, I wish you had posted this under your own thread rather than ruin this one where the initial poster was trying to praise this lens. It seems very unfair.

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JLock New Member • Posts: 18
Re: Stellar lens, no weak spots
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My only criticism of the lens is that with my copy (and another I tried), the corners at 70mm and at minimum focal distance were like mush. It may have just been a bad batch as they had similar serial numbers.

In practice I don't ever shoot in this manner so it is not a problem for me.

lokatz
lokatz Veteran Member • Posts: 3,564
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RogerZoul wrote:

I feel your pain on this. I suggest you pay Canon to fix it. Also, I wish you had posted this under your own thread rather than ruin this one where the initial poster was trying to praise this lens. It seems very unfair.

Wait, now: what makes it unfair to post a caveat that comes from painful first-hand experience on a thread where someone else praises the lens?

I think we all OWE it to each other to freely share the good and the not-so-good, so noone is misled about a piece of gear. This would be different if someone was merely badmouthing the lens, but that does not seem to be the case here at all.

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StefanD Contributing Member • Posts: 577
Re: Stellar lens, no weak spots

In the review from Gordon Laing, I read that the actual focal length is more like 50-150 when focussing close.

Is that what you see too?

dmanthree
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Re: Stellar lens, no weak spots

JLock wrote:

My only criticism of the lens is that with my copy (and another I tried), the corners at 70mm and at minimum focal distance were like mush. It may have just been a bad batch as they had similar serial numbers.

In practice I don't ever shoot in this manner so it is not a problem for me.

I'll have to actually test mine under those conditions against a flat field. So far I haven't noticed that.

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JConrad Regular Member • Posts: 318
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It's a great lens, though in my testing, I found it did have one notable weak spot, but it would only crop up rarely: the lens shows rather strong field curvature when focused close up, when you stop down.  So if you're focusing on a flat subject close up, and stop down to f/8, it will actually get softer at the edges as you stop down.

In most real world situations, this is not an issue.

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R2D2 Forum Pro • Posts: 26,531
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Sinawang wrote:

I have to agree in term of optical performance and form factor, but I already got mold spot on the backside of its front element, and Canon refused to do something with it as it's not covered under warranty.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65475829

Seeing my RF 50mm f1.8 doesn't have sealing and no problem with the lens, the mold inside this sealed Pro grade lens almost makes my mind doesn't want to sleep at night.

Desiccants are your friends...

Canisters have a large capacity

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Leigh A. Wax Senior Member • Posts: 1,621
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There is nothing man made that is of such utter perfection that it has "no" "weak" points!  

Karl_Guttag Senior Member • Posts: 1,883
A tad soft in the corners at 70mm end, near perfect at 200mm

JLock wrote:

My only criticism of the lens is that with my copy (and another I tried), the corners at 70mm and at minimum focal distance were like mush. It may have just been a bad batch as they had similar serial numbers.

In practice I don't ever shoot in this manner so it is not a problem for me.

I, too, returned my first RF70-200f2.8L due to terrible performance in the corners at 70mm. I wrote about it and posted test pictures here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65055550

The replacement RF70-200f2.8L was vastly better but not "perfect" in the corners. At 200mm (basically about 135mm), it is as sharp as the RF100f2.8L. It is still a tad soft in the corner at 70mm and wide open but not bad. I showed a test picture of the replacement lens here compared to the bad one: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65171061

Don't get me wrong, I have the whole F2.8 trilogy and the RF100f2.8L and RF100-500, and I would say overall, the RF70-200 is the sharpest of the lot.  But it is just good and not near-perfect at 70mm.

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dmanthree
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Leigh A. Wax wrote:

There is nothing man made that is of such utter perfection that it has "no" "weak" points!

I never said perfect. There is a huge difference between an optical imperfection, which all lenses have, and a weak spot. A weak spot, such as softness at a certain focal length and aperture combination would force you to NOT use that setting. That's what I consider a weak spot. You do not need to compensate for this lens.

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RogerZoul
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lokatz wrote:

RogerZoul wrote:

I feel your pain on this. I suggest you pay Canon to fix it. Also, I wish you had posted this under your own thread rather than ruin this one where the initial poster was trying to praise this lens. It seems very unfair.

Wait, now: what makes it unfair to post a caveat that comes from painful first-hand experience on a thread where someone else praises the lens?

I think we all OWE it to each other to freely share the good and the not-so-good, so noone is misled about a piece of gear. This would be different if someone was merely badmouthing the lens, but that does not seem to be the case here at all.

He can start his own thread for that. No one is stopping him from doing that and anyone can read it as they can this one. It is unfair because the creator of this thread has seen his thread hijacked by something that may not even be the fault of the lens. No one is stopping or even suggesting sharing anything, but there is a thing about respecting threads created by others.

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dmanthree
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RogerZoul wrote:

Sinawang wrote:

I haven't done any outing in rainy condition with the lens, but I quite often shoot waterfals and fields in morning dew. The weather sealing makes me confident to shoot in such conditions but there you go, the mold managed to get inside the lens. Anything's possible, but that mold inside my RF 70-200 f4 L will disturbing my mind forever.

I saw someone abbused their cameras and lenses under the rain or beach by let them get wet with no problems, and I'm not even close doing something like that and there's a problem.

I feel your pain on this. I suggest you pay Canon to fix it. Also, I wish you had posted this under your own thread rather than ruin this one where the initial poster was trying to praise this lens. It seems very unfair.

Not hardly. My experience is based on a single sample. Comments by others, positive or negative, are welcome. This is, after all, a forum.

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dmanthree
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StefanD wrote:

In the review from Gordon Laing, I read that the actual focal length is more like 50-150 when focussing close.

Is that what you see too?

Hard to tell since I don't have primes to compare it to or any device to measure actual angle of view.

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lokatz
lokatz Veteran Member • Posts: 3,564
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RogerZoul wrote:

lokatz wrote:

RogerZoul wrote:

I feel your pain on this. I suggest you pay Canon to fix it. Also, I wish you had posted this under your own thread rather than ruin this one where the initial poster was trying to praise this lens. It seems very unfair.

Wait, now: what makes it unfair to post a caveat that comes from painful first-hand experience on a thread where someone else praises the lens?

I think we all OWE it to each other to freely share the good and the not-so-good, so noone is misled about a piece of gear. This would be different if someone was merely badmouthing the lens, but that does not seem to be the case here at all.

He can start his own thread for that. No one is stopping him from doing that and anyone can read it as they can this one. It is unfair because the creator of this thread has seen his thread hijacked by something that may not even be the fault of the lens. No one is stopping or even suggesting sharing anything, but there is a thing about respecting threads created by others.

Well, I respect your opinion, but I also cannot help but disagree. This is a discussion forum, not a showcase. I also did not see anything I would call hijacking since that to me means steering the discussion off topic.

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higheronymous
higheronymous Regular Member • Posts: 271
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lokatz wrote:

RogerZoul wrote:

lokatz wrote:

RogerZoul wrote:

I feel your pain on this. I suggest you pay Canon to fix it. Also, I wish you had posted this under your own thread rather than ruin this one where the initial poster was trying to praise this lens. It seems very unfair.

Wait, now: what makes it unfair to post a caveat that comes from painful first-hand experience on a thread where someone else praises the lens?

I think we all OWE it to each other to freely share the good and the not-so-good, so noone is misled about a piece of gear. This would be different if someone was merely badmouthing the lens, but that does not seem to be the case here at all.

He can start his own thread for that. No one is stopping him from doing that and anyone can read it as they can this one. It is unfair because the creator of this thread has seen his thread hijacked by something that may not even be the fault of the lens. No one is stopping or even suggesting sharing anything, but there is a thing about respecting threads created by others.

Well, I respect your opinion, but I also cannot help but disagree. This is a discussion forum, not a showcase. I also did not see anything I would call hijacking since that to me means driving the discussion off topic.

It's a tough call, but here's my opinion... Canon makes it very easy to get gear repaired, so, true, you might want Canon to fix free of charge, but the odds of that are low if you didn't get the carepak. Of course they will dismiss water damage. It is written into almost every warranty on the planet... water damage is a no fix situation..

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