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In camera black and white JPG with contrast and filter settings

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Bejersey
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In camera black and white JPG with contrast and filter settings
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and a crop. The M6 II has amazing resolution

Thanks for looking

Rick

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The deep velvet blacks are indeed interesting.  Good application.  You need a whole series of these!

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R2D2 wrote:

The deep velvet blacks are indeed interesting. Good application. You need a whole series of these!

R2

Thank you!

Jeff Peterman
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Why in camera?

I always hate doing anything in the camera that throws away any data. I always shoot raw, and then play with the photos in post processing. Why did you choose to do this in camera instead of with post processing?

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Re: Why in camera?

Jeff Peterman wrote:

I always hate doing anything in the camera that throws away any data.

simple, just shoot raw+jpeg

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Jeff Peterman wrote:

I always hate doing anything in the camera that throws away any data. I always shoot raw, and then play with the photos in post processing. Why did you choose to do this in camera instead of with post processing?

I do it once in a while as it gives me a mindset in the monochrome world, so to speak. I mostly shoot RAW as you say...but again I want to get the feeling i am shooting a roll b/w film.  That's me...  I love the look of this image but I'm guessing it did nothing for you which is fine. But thanks for looking

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Bejersey wrote:

Jeff Peterman wrote:

I always hate doing anything in the camera that throws away any data. I always shoot raw, and then play with the photos in post processing. Why did you choose to do this in camera instead of with post processing?

I do it once in a while as it gives me a mindset in the monochrome world, so to speak. I mostly shoot RAW as you say...but again I want to get the feeling i am shooting a roll b/w film. That's me... I love the look of this image but I'm guessing it did nothing for you which is fine. But thanks for looking

Rick

+1 I like to shoot in B/W mode because it helps me “see” the B/W compositions more easily.

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Yep!!! Especially with this camera...I had the Leica X1 and X2  The X1 yields excellent monochrome renditions...people still talk about them

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Bejersey wrote:

Jeff Peterman wrote:

I always hate doing anything in the camera that throws away any data. I always shoot raw, and then play with the photos in post processing. Why did you choose to do this in camera instead of with post processing?

I do it once in a while as it gives me a mindset in the monochrome world, so to speak. I mostly shoot RAW as you say...but again I want to get the feeling i am shooting a roll b/w film. That's me... I love the look of this image but I'm guessing it did nothing for you which is fine. But thanks for looking

Rick

+1 I like to shoot in B/W mode because it helps me “see” the B/W compositions more easily.

R2

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Bejersey wrote:

Yep!!! Especially with this camera...I had the Leica X1 and X2 The X1 yields excellent monochrome renditions...people still talk about them

Riok

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Bejersey wrote:

Jeff Peterman wrote:

I always hate doing anything in the camera that throws away any data. I always shoot raw, and then play with the photos in post processing. Why did you choose to do this in camera instead of with post processing?

I do it once in a while as it gives me a mindset in the monochrome world, so to speak. I mostly shoot RAW as you say...but again I want to get the feeling i am shooting a roll b/w film. That's me... I love the look of this image but I'm guessing it did nothing for you which is fine. But thanks for looking

Rick

+1 I like to shoot in B/W mode because it helps me “see” the B/W compositions more easily.

R2

Back in the film days we’d walk around with a #25 red filter up to our eye to see the world  in B/W monochrome!  Photography sure was a lot more “tactile” back then!

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No, not my point. I will sometimes take a shot specifically because I think it will work in B&W (I shot just B&W in my first few years of serious shooting, with film). BUT, I like to take the shot in color and then do the conversion in post processing, where I can tweak the balance of the colors to get the image that I want.

Here's a quick example (not the best, but one I could find quickly).

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But even then, I'd spend a lot of time in "post processing" in the darkroom, selecting the correct paper type for the contrast that I wanted and then tweaking exposures with dodging and burning.

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Jeff Peterman wrote:

No, not my point. I will sometimes take a shot specifically because I think it will work in B&W (I shot just B&W in my first few years of serious shooting, with film). BUT, I like to take the shot in color and then do the conversion in post processing, where I can tweak the balance of the colors to get the image that I want.

Here's a quick example (not the best, but one I could find quickly).

In B/W mode, the full RAW is saved anyway.  So you can edit afterwards until your heart's content.    The difference is that you can see the B/W while shooting!

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But even then, I'd spend a lot of time in "post processing" in the darkroom, selecting the correct paper type for the contrast that I wanted and then tweaking exposures with dodging and burning.

That's for sure!  I think half my time in college was spent in the darkroom!!! 

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Jeff Peterman wrote:

No, not my point. I will sometimes take a shot specifically because I think it will work in B&W (I shot just B&W in my first few years of serious shooting, with film). BUT, I like to take the shot in color and then do the conversion in post processing, where I can tweak the balance of the colors to get the image that I want.

Here's a quick example (not the best, but one I could find quickly).

I got your point and I've have been doing the above for a long time. and you are quite correct.

Rick

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When I was printing, you had to buy paper of the contrast type you wanted, so paper selection was a big part of getting a good print. A little after I lost access to a good darkroom (because I was using my college photo club darkroom and I graduated), variable contrast paper came out that would have been so much easier! It was fun, but I prefer post processing on a computer. These days, if I shot film, I would scan the negative and do all the processing of the print chemical-free.

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I find that I can "see" what a shot might look like in B&W well enough before I shoot that seeing it that way on the camera isn't worth the effort - especially not on the small screen of the camera.

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Jeff Peterman wrote:

When I was printing, you had to buy paper of the contrast type you wanted, so paper selection was a big part of getting a good print. A little after I lost access to a good darkroom (because I was using my college photo club darkroom and I graduated), variable contrast paper came out that would have been so much easier! It was fun, but I prefer post processing on a computer. These days, if I shot film, I would scan the negative and do all the processing of the print chemical-free.

Even worse, if you were pushing or pulling in-camera (with film), then you were stuck with the (push/pull) developing that you chose.  No going back!

I said farewell to the darkroom many decades ago too!

Man I wish I had digital back then!!!!!

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I find that I can "see" what a shot might look like in B&W well enough before I shoot that seeing it that way on the camera isn't worth the effort - especially not on the small screen of the camera.

You've found what works for you.

Everybody has different perceptive abilities.  I just like seeing what I'm shooting.

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I used to buy B&W film in bulk and load my own cannisters. I has thousands of negatives, lots of contact sheets, but not many prints. When I left home and moved from the UK to the US, I left everything nicely boxed at my parent's house. About fifteen years later, they moved - they told me not to worry, they'd saved all my photos. By then, I was in a house, with lots of room, no plans to keep moving around, so I planned to collect them all and start going through the negatives. On my next visit, I asked for the box and was given one much smaller than I remembered. I opened it up and found they had saved my photos, and contact sheets - but they'd thrown away all the negatives!

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I too didn’t make many prints but took a lot of images with film. My heart sank as I read your post. So sorry to hear that.

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