PTSD from Samsung NX

Panasonic refuses to incorporate PDAF, and M4/3 doesn't quite provide the IQ performance I want to justify not just using my smartphone.

Ah besides the PDAF, not sure where you got the IQ reference, but my Panasonic G9 with the 12-60 2.8-4 or the Oly 12mm 2.0 literally makes my heart jump when it comes to IQ. Realistic yet cinematic, stunning.

I am still a Samsung user with two Galaxy NXs and two NX Minis. I also have a Ricoh APSC and two Fujis with top lenses.

The Panasonic in my eyes is not behind any of them regarding IQ. What may be missing in the ISO department is balanced by the outstanding dual image stabilization. Though I have no issues up to ISO 6400 with my Panny. Had 3 Sonys too and I by far prefer the G9 output. But of course that is my personal opinion / taste.

Siralgovia wrote:

Panasonic refuses to incorporate PDAF, and M4/3 doesn't quite provide the IQ performance I want to justify not just using my smartphone.

Ah besides the PDAF, not sure where you got the IQ reference, but my Panasonic G9 with the 12-60 2.8-4 or the Oly 12mm 2.0 literally makes my heart jump when it comes to IQ. Realistic yet cinematic, stunning.

I am still a Samsung user with two Galaxy NXs and two NX Minis. I also have a Ricoh APSC and two Fujis with top lenses.

The Panasonic in my eyes is not behind any of them regarding IQ. What may be missing in the ISO department is balanced by the outstanding dual image stabilization. Though I have no issues up to ISO 6400 with my Panny. Had 3 Sonys too and I by far prefer the G9 output. But of course that is my personal opinion / taste.

Aha I may have been going on a bit of a rant. Obviously M4/3 is much better than a smartphone, but I already hit the upper limits of APS noise for things I shoot, and M4/3 would be a step down, it's not ideal esp. combined with their AF system. Panasonic FF I have no issues with from IQ standpoint.

shutterbugnx wrote:

What points do you have against Fuji?

The X-T4 was almost perfect. Unfortunately the IBIS stuttering on some panning in video is a deal breaker for me, and their firmware update did not really fix it. That plus, although I don't need many lenses, a lot of their lenses are not up to date to perform to the spec that Fuji has released on their bodies (AF performance, focus breathing and noise in video). I did see that Fuji is finally getting some 3rd party lens support, but more lenses beyond that one Tamron that got announced probably won't come out for at least another year or two.

I keep getting tempted to just ignore the IBIS thing and tell myself it's one of those review things that don't really show up in the real world that often, but too often there is a single clip I can't reshoot or substitute with an alternative shot, and I know the IBIS stuttering will drive me nuts in the future for when I am not using a gimbal or tripod.

The grip also looks like the NX10's. I've felt it in hand and while it's comfortable and cute for its shape like the NX10, I much prefer the full grip of the NX1 style.

Siralgovia wrote:

Panasonic refuses to incorporate PDAF, and M4/3 doesn't quite provide the IQ performance I want to justify not just using my smartphone.

Ah besides the PDAF, not sure where you got the IQ reference, but my Panasonic G9 with the 12-60 2.8-4 or the Oly 12mm 2.0 literally makes my heart jump when it comes to IQ. Realistic yet cinematic, stunning.

I am still a Samsung user with two Galaxy NXs and two NX Minis. I also have a Ricoh APSC and two Fujis with top lenses.

The Panasonic in my eyes is not behind any of them regarding IQ. What may be missing in the ISO department is balanced by the outstanding dual image stabilization. Though I have no issues up to ISO 6400 with my Panny. Had 3 Sonys too and I by far prefer the G9 output. But of course that is my personal opinion / taste.

https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/8152553223/Samples/P1024347.acr-crop.jpeg

wow I do have to admit m4/3 IQ has come a long way since I tried a G something back in 2010.

Long time lurker here and NX1 fan.

I would switch if there was a camera better than the NX1.  But honestly, what camera under $2000 is better than the NX1 with the two S zooms?   There still isn't a better APSC sensor.  And you can't beat the (few) Samsung lenses .

Maybe the FujiFilm X-T4 comes close.  It has IBIS and can shoot 20 FPS instead of 15.  But it uses the electronic shutter which has issues.  And while I do like FujiFilm colors, I am not a fan of X-Trans.

Besides that, nothing else comes close IMHO.  I only wish there was more stock of 'new' NX1 cameras and lenses.

/Rant 

Romeo Five wrote:

Long time lurker here and NX1 fan.

I would switch if there was a camera better than the NX1. But honestly, what camera under $2000 is better than the NX1 with the two S zooms? There still isn't a better APSC sensor. And you can't beat the (few) Samsung lenses .

Maybe the FujiFilm X-T4 comes close. It has IBIS and can shoot 20 FPS instead of 15. But it uses the electronic shutter which has issues. And while I do like FujiFilm colors, I am not a fan of X-Trans.

Besides that, nothing else comes close IMHO. I only wish there was more stock of 'new' NX1 cameras and lenses.

/Rant

I do think the X-T4 beats the NX1 in terms of noise above 3200 ISO, and color noise above ISO 800:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-t4-review/6

but yeah the NX system is certainly a keeper and was designed way ahead of its time. I totally agree there's no big draw to change right now....I've just seen a few threads here and there about someone's 50-150mm not working and I'd hate to buy one and have 0 support if mine breaks, whereas I'd at least have a warranty or return policy if I invested that money in an active system.

I hope you enjoy your NX1 for a long time!

james _ wrote:

Romeo Five wrote:

Long time lurker here and NX1 fan.

I would switch if there was a camera better than the NX1. But honestly, what camera under $2000 is better than the NX1 with the two S zooms? There still isn't a better APSC sensor. And you can't beat the (few) Samsung lenses .

Maybe the FujiFilm X-T4 comes close. It has IBIS and can shoot 20 FPS instead of 15. But it uses the electronic shutter which has issues. And while I do like FujiFilm colors, I am not a fan of X-Trans.

Besides that, nothing else comes close IMHO. I only wish there was more stock of 'new' NX1 cameras and lenses.

/Rant

I do think the X-T4 beats the NX1 in terms of noise above 3200 ISO, and color noise above ISO 800:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-t4-review/6

but yeah the NX system is certainly a keeper and was designed way ahead of its time. I totally agree there's no big draw to change right now....I've just seen a few threads here and there about someone's 50-150mm not working and I'd hate to buy one and have 0 support if mine breaks, whereas I'd at least have a warranty or return policy if I invested that money in an active system.

I hope you enjoy your NX1 for a long time!

One strategy is watch used camera sites and pick up backs of your favorite lenses.  It is an expense, but adds piece of mind and costs less than a new system.

markyboy81 wrote:

Romeo Five wrote:

james _ wrote:

Romeo Five wrote:

Long time lurker here and NX1 fan.

I would switch if there was a camera better than the NX1. But honestly, what camera under $2000 is better than the NX1 with the two S zooms? There still isn't a better APSC sensor. And you can't beat the (few) Samsung lenses .

Maybe the FujiFilm X-T4 comes close. It has IBIS and can shoot 20 FPS instead of 15. But it uses the electronic shutter which has issues. And while I do like FujiFilm colors, I am not a fan of X-Trans.

Besides that, nothing else comes close IMHO. I only wish there was more stock of 'new' NX1 cameras and lenses.

/Rant

I do think the X-T4 beats the NX1 in terms of noise above 3200 ISO, and color noise above ISO 800:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-t4-review/6

but yeah the NX system is certainly a keeper and was designed way ahead of its time. I totally agree there's no big draw to change right now....I've just seen a few threads here and there about someone's 50-150mm not working and I'd hate to buy one and have 0 support if mine breaks, whereas I'd at least have a warranty or return policy if I invested that money in an active system.

I hope you enjoy your NX1 for a long time!

One strategy is watch used camera sites and pick up backs of your favorite lenses. It is an expense, but adds piece of mind and costs less than a new system.

This is a good strategy but so far the lenses are holding up better than the camera bodies. I had an issue with my NX1 and recording video. I bought a spare body and then the original started working again!

Now I've got one permanently attached to my gimbal 😀

Well, now you have two!  The bodies I think are easier to find.  If taken care of I think the lenses will last longer, but its good to have a back of the ones you love.

Just release some more lenses, Samsung!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

update for anyone who cares:

man I was so gungho when I posted this ha! this is why i don't allow myself impulse purchases. anyway, by chance I was browsing ebay for NX gear again...I finally found a 50-200mm listing that was under $200. some haggling back and forth and I got it down to what I think is a reasonable price for a 7-years-dead system. not that I've been checking diligently, but they've all been $399+ for the past few years, which to me was enough money that I would rather put that toward a new system.

the lack of anything longer than 55mm (kit lens) was the main sore point for me...yeah, it'll be nice in the future to have constant f2.8 mid and tele zoom lenses. but this will save me literally thousands of dollars from changing systems for at least another year or two for what is after all a hobby. not mention new memory cards, new photo editing software (i'm still on lightroom 5 which came with my camera), probably a new computer to handle higher quality photos and videos lol (mine already lags a lot when editing the h.265 files from the NX1)...on and on.

Plus, from other brands, we might see in the next 1-3 years:

• Nikon take the lead with the Z 5/6/7 II/IIIs (and possibly the Z9, but not interested in that tier of camera).
• Lower A7IV and A7RIV prices from Sony, with continued lens updates (like they just got with the phenomenal 70-200 f2.8 refresh and the Tamron 28-75 update)
• hopefully Fuji keeps updating their sometimes out of date lenses,  and we'll get a stronger look at what incoming 3rd party lens support will look like
• Canon...I like Canon too, but they are in many ways the most expensive system so not for me (Nikon = cheap bodies, Sony = cheap lenses, Canon = expensive bodies and lenses). and call me anal but their ON/OFF switch being a full dial on the left of the camera body drives me nuts

time to hole up with my safe and reliable NX1...I can lay off buying research for now.

Onetwoshot wrote:

James? Canon r6 mark 2? This indeed is winking to me. If I sell all my gear I could buy the body and the 2 zooms...

I have already the R7, some RF and multiple EFs with 3 different adapters. R6 mkII will be my next purchase, but still can't leave any of my NX behind..still capable to produce amazing results in multiple fronts..

Amazingly, in terms of thermal reduction, ergonomics and menu system, still #1.. for the size and weight, and probably the best all around lens system in APS-C (though Fuji has more options right now, still in some aspects NX is better).

Best SOOC also..

Also, RF-S system is non existent as of now..it will take them many years to reach NX capabilities, and even EF-S had some obvious gaps in it..