New Macbook pro

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P450 Forum Member • Posts: 57
New Macbook pro

Looking at replacing my 2014 16" MBP with 16GB RAM for running Capture One/PL4. Recent updates have made it lag a little.

I see the 13" MBP offers 32 GB max RAM whereas the 16" goes to 64GB.  With the new Apple chips, is there a "sweet spot" for RAM where increasing does not make much difference to photo processing? If there is, is the difference between 13" and 16" maximum RAM because of screen area?

terrydev Regular Member • Posts: 410
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The most recent M1 Macs max out at 16gigs of RAM (and that's plenty). Further, as there is currently no 16" M1 MBP, I suspect that you're looking at older Intel MBPs.

OP P450 Forum Member • Posts: 57
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Thank you for setting me straight. I just clicked on MBP and assumed they were all the M1s. So any M1 with 16MB RAM should do the trick.

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CAcreeks Forum Pro • Posts: 17,343
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P450 wrote:

Thank you for setting me straight. I just clicked on MBP and assumed they were all the M1s. So any M1 with 16MB RAM should do the trick.

If I were you, I would wait a month or two for the M1x Macbook 14 and 16 to appear.

I don't believe the screen size makes as much difference in memory use, as do the pixel dimensions. The upcoming M1x Macbooks are rumored to have more pixels.

terrydev Regular Member • Posts: 410
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P450 wrote:

Thank you for setting me straight. I just clicked on MBP and assumed they were all the M1s. So any M1 with 16MB RAM should do the trick.

Yes. Though inevitably, there will be new MBPs, and likely soon. However, they have been rumoured to appear since June with all sorts of wonderful things but nothing yet. Next month or two? Maybe. The old rule applies: if you need a new computer now, buy an M! with 16 gigs of Ram. If you can wait then you don't need a new computer now...

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There are going to be a lot of bargains hitting the market, Intel based, shortly after the M!x macbook Pros come out.

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dmanthree wrote:

There are going to be a lot of bargains hitting the market, Intel based, shortly after the M1x Macbook Pros come out.

There are advantages in buying an Intel based Mac!

For instance, when I want to do development I can either (a) wait well over 24 hours for Xcode and the developer command line tools to install, or (b) buy VMware Fusion or Parallels, install Linux Ubuntu in under an hour, and develop on the x86-64 Linux VM - no way on M1.

You can also run Windows in an Intel Mac VM. There's nothing in Windows that I need, but many folks feel differently.

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CAcreeks wrote:

dmanthree wrote:

There are going to be a lot of bargains hitting the market, Intel based, shortly after the M1x Macbook Pros come out.

There are advantages in buying an Intel based Mac!

For instance, when I want to do development I can either (a) wait well over 24 hours for Xcode and the developer command line tools to install, or (b) buy VMware Fusion or Parallels, install Linux Ubuntu in under an hour, and develop on the x86-64 Linux VM - no way on M1.

You can also run Windows in an Intel Mac VM. There's nothing in Windows that I need, but many folks feel differently.

Parallels says their software will run Windows on the M1. If it can do that, can't it also run Ubuntu? VMWare says Fusion will run "nearly any OS" on their product, and say it's compatible with the M1 chip.

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dmanthree wrote:

There are going to be a lot of bargains hitting the market, Intel based, shortly after the M1x Macbook Pros come out.

There are advantages in buying an Intel based Mac!

For instance, when I want to do development I can either (a) wait well over 24 hours for Xcode and the developer command line tools to install, or (b) buy VMware Fusion or Parallels, install Linux Ubuntu in under an hour, and develop on the x86-64 Linux VM - no way on M1.

You can also run Windows in an Intel Mac VM. There's nothing in Windows that I need, but many folks feel differently.

Parallels says their software will run Windows on the M1. If it can do that, can't it also run Ubuntu? VMWare says Fusion will run "nearly any OS" on their product, and say it's compatible with the M1 chip.

I believe the problem is finding a version of Windows for M1. As far as I can tell from reading Parallels information, it requires the ARM version of Windows, which is only available on the Microsoft Insider channel.

Absolutely, there are many ARM versions of Linux. Ubuntu 20.04 would be my choice. Maybe I should do it and stop complaining about Xcode.

https://www.parallels.com/blogs/parallels-desktop-m1/

OP P450 Forum Member • Posts: 57
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Thanks for the replies. I use Win/Parallels a good bit for work.

Tom_N Forum Pro • Posts: 19,342
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dmanthree wrote:

CAcreeks wrote:

dmanthree wrote:

There are going to be a lot of bargains hitting the market, Intel based, shortly after the M1x Macbook Pros come out.

There are advantages in buying an Intel based Mac!

For instance, when I want to do development I can either (a) wait well over 24 hours for Xcode and the developer command line tools to install, or (b) buy VMware Fusion or Parallels, install Linux Ubuntu in under an hour, and develop on the x86-64 Linux VM - no way on M1.

You can also run Windows in an Intel Mac VM. There's nothing in Windows that I need, but many folks feel differently.

Parallels says their software will run Windows on the M1. If it can do that, can't it also run Ubuntu? VMWare says Fusion will run "nearly any OS" on their product, and say it's compatible with the M1 chip.

To the best of my knowledge, the M1 version of Parallels creates ARM virtual machines, not x86 emulators.  The Parallels sites says that you can use the M1 version of Parallels to run Windows for ARM Insider previews.

I believe that Windows for ARM contains Intel emulation code that allows it to run some Wintel binaries.  However, Microsoft is now saying that running Windows 11 for ARM on M1 Macs "is not a supported scenario"; whether in a VM or directly on the hardware.

https://kb.parallels.com/125375

https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/10/windows_11_m1/

Because Linux and a lot of the applications that run on it are Open Source and/or Free Software, you can get (or build) ARM versions of Linux and many Linux applications to run within a virtual machine on a M1-based Mac.  But you couldn't just install and run Intel Linux binaries.

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Tom_N wrote:

To the best of my knowledge, the M1 version of Parallels creates ARM virtual machines, not x86 emulators. The Parallels sites says that you can use the M1 version of Parallels to run Windows for ARM Insider previews.

I believe that Windows for ARM contains Intel emulation code that allows it to run some Wintel binaries. However, Microsoft is now saying that running Windows 11 for ARM on M1 Macs "is not a supported scenario"; whether in a VM or directly on the hardware.

https://kb.parallels.com/125375

https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/10/windows_11_m1/

Because Linux and a lot of the applications that run on it are Open Source and/or Free Software, you can get (or build) ARM versions of Linux and many Linux applications to run within a virtual machine on a M1-based Mac. But you couldn't just install and run Intel Linux binaries.

Good info as usual, Tom_N.

I think if OP P450 wants to run Windows VMs on a Macbook, he/she should get an Intel Macbook 16 before they disappear.

Just checked, and for Ubuntu 20.04 only the server version is available for ARM - no desktop.

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JRP64 Senior Member • Posts: 1,089
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CAcreeks wrote:

dmanthree wrote:

There are going to be a lot of bargains hitting the market, Intel based, shortly after the M1x Macbook Pros come out.

There are advantages in buying an Intel based Mac!

For instance, when I want to do development I can either (a) wait well over 24 hours for Xcode and the developer command line tools to install, or (b) buy VMware Fusion or Parallels, install Linux Ubuntu in under an hour, and develop on the x86-64 Linux VM - no way on M1.

You can also run Windows in an Intel Mac VM. There's nothing in Windows that I need, but many folks feel differently.

Hmm? 🤔 I didn't have any problems with Xcode on my MBP 13" M1 and as a matter of fact I had more problems with my Apple iMac Pro than the MBP.

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JRP64 wrote:

CAcreeks wrote:

dmanthree wrote:

There are going to be a lot of bargains hitting the market, Intel based, shortly after the M1x Macbook Pros come out.

There are advantages in buying an Intel based Mac!

For instance, when I want to do development I can either (a) wait well over 24 hours for Xcode and the developer command line tools to install, or (b) buy VMware Fusion or Parallels, install Linux Ubuntu in under an hour, and develop on the x86-64 Linux VM - no way on M1.

You can also run Windows in an Intel Mac VM. There's nothing in Windows that I need, but many folks feel differently.

Hmm? 🤔 I didn't have any problems with Xcode on my MBP 13" M1 and as a matter of fact I had more problems with my Apple iMac Pro than the MBP.

Installing Xcode from the Apple store took hours, and the Apple store told me that the command line developer tools would take over 24 hours to install (with WiFi).

However I found this tips page, and using the Apple developer site, command line tools installed in five minutes or so.

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-download-and-install-xcode/

My point about Windows virtual machines remains, though. It is difficult or impossible to run every x86 application in a Windows (ARM) virtual machine on the M1 with Parallels. If that's important, it should be easy enough to obtain a used Intel Mac in future years.

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