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Mark B.
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Re: R6
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IR1234 wrote:

Chuck6345 wrote:

Still any reliable info on a possible Canon 7Diii before the 3rd millennium?

The 7D3 is out there - it's the R6.

No, it's not.

APS-C is done. It's over.

Maybe, maybe not.

davev8
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Re: 7DIII? NO LENSES...the end for APS-c DSLR
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Chuck6345 wrote:

Still any reliable info on a possible Canon 7Diii before the 3rd millennium?

i let you be the judge whether any more APS-c bodies are coming ....the profit is in the lenses right..here is a list of APS-c lenses Canon has announced are being discontinude

the best APS-c lens 17-55 F2,8 also gone....15-85...10-22....18-200....55-250stm....60mm F2.8 macro....35mm macro

so unless i forgot some that leave the 18-55 and 18-135 kit lenses and the 24 F2.8 ho and the 10-18

https://petapixel.com/2021/04/22/canon-clarifies-discontinuing-26-ef-lenses-series-optimization/

i think you have 2 hopes for a 7D3.....no hope and bob hope

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Tannin Senior Member • Posts: 1,451
Re: Let it go...

JPAlbert wrote:

Tannin wrote:
"Multiply me by the thousands upon thousands of others out there who are now sitting on their wallets because Canon is too stupid to service a ready market, and we are talking serious money they have walked away from."

Do you still insist on buying a car with a carburetor (instead of fuel injection)? If so, where do you find them?

The day of the "mirrored" camera is just about over.

Nonsense. Fuel injection does everthing a carby can do as well or better, and some things a carby can't do.

Mirrorless viewfinders, on the other hand, are grossly inferior to good optical ones.  I couldn't care less what technology my camera uses - mirror, mirrorless, or little green pixies - but I will not put up with a low quality viewfinder on an otherwise high quality camera.

SLRs will  be manufactured for at least the next 30 years, same as rangefinders went on being made by high-quality specialist makers for decades after the (film) SLR came along.

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Jozef M Senior Member • Posts: 2,043
Re: Let it go...

Tannin wrote:

JPAlbert wrote:

Tannin wrote:
"Multiply me by the thousands upon thousands of others out there who are now sitting on their wallets because Canon is too stupid to service a ready market, and we are talking serious money they have walked away from."

Do you still insist on buying a car with a carburetor (instead of fuel injection)? If so, where do you find them?

The day of the "mirrored" camera is just about over.

Nonsense. Fuel injection does everthing a carby can do as well or better, and some things a carby can't do.

Mirrorless viewfinders, on the other hand, are grossly inferior to good optical ones.

Well, I think/know Canon does not agree with you ...

I couldn't care less what technology my camera uses - mirror, mirrorless, or little green pixies - but I will not put up with a low quality viewfinder on an otherwise high quality camera.

SLRs will be manufactured for at least the next 30 years, same as rangefinders went on being made by high-quality specialist makers for decades after the (film) SLR came along.

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davev8
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Re: Let it go...
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Tannin wrote:

JPAlbert wrote:

Tannin wrote:
"Multiply me by the thousands upon thousands of others out there who are now sitting on their wallets because Canon is too stupid to service a ready market, and we are talking serious money they have walked away from."

Do you still insist on buying a car with a carburetor (instead of fuel injection)? If so, where do you find them?

The day of the "mirrored" camera is just about over.

Nonsense. Fuel injection does everthing a carby can do as well or better, and some things a carby can't do.

Mirrorless viewfinders, on the other hand, are grossly inferior to good optical ones.

well when an OVF can display a histogram and can punch in 10X and i can chimp without putting my glasses on you may have an argument

I couldn't care less what technology my camera uses - mirror, mirrorless, or little green pixies - but I will not put up with a low quality viewfinder on an otherwise high quality camera.

SLRs will be manufactured for at least the next 30 years, same as rangefinders went on being made by high-quality specialist makers for decades after the (film) SLR came along.

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the EOS M is not dead and wont be for a long time ....as long as you don't want a flagship camera with a VF...if that's the case it died sometime ago
My 5D IS a MK1 classic
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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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Tannin Senior Member • Posts: 1,451
Re: Let it go...

But you can't look through an EVF for extended periods of time. It wrecks your eyes. (And kills the batteries.) This is a critical feature for wildlife shooters. Also, EVFs are awful in strong sidelight. This last might be fixed one day. It is unlikely that the main issue ever will be.

(I owned and used an R for a year or more. In the end I gave up. It was horrible. Sold it for half what I paid.)

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Mark B.
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Re: 7DIII? NO LENSES...the end for APS-c DSLR
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davev8 wrote:

Chuck6345 wrote:

Still any reliable info on a possible Canon 7Diii before the 3rd millennium?

i let you be the judge whether any more APS-c bodies are coming ....the profit is in the lenses right..here is a list of APS-c lenses Canon has announced are being discontinude

Those are EF-S mount.  All that says is there will be no more APS-C DSLR bodies.  It says nothing for a potential APS-C mirrorless.

davev8
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Re: Let it go...
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Tannin wrote:

But you can't look through an EVF for extended periods of time.

It wrecks your eyes.

its no different to sitting in front of a computer screen all day..its the same LCD.. if it wrecks your eye that much it will be notable as it will only affect 1 eye

some are affected by the EVF, the flickering even if its not perceivable can give some folks headaces

(And kills the batteries.) This is a critical feature for wildlife shooters. Also, EVFs are awful in strong sidelight.

i dont find this one bit ...if sunlight is washing the image out this can only be the seal between the eyecup and the eye is ineffective ..if the standard eyecup is ineffective aftermarket ones are available

This last might be fixed one day. It is unlikely that the main issue ever will be.

(I owned and used an R for a year or more. In the end I gave up. It was horrible. Sold it for half what I paid.)

i made my post because your sweeping statement is untrue for most.. which was >>>Mirrorless viewfinders, on the other hand, are grossly inferior to good optical ones.<<<<

there are pros and cons to both, many including myself find the benefits of a modern EVF are an overwhelming advantage ...for me i cannot think of 1 advantage an OVF has over a good EVF

obviously, your mileage varies

you say in a previous post DSLR will be made for 30 years...maybe but they most probably will say Pentax on them

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My 5D IS a MK1 classic
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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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davev8
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Re: 7DIII? NO LENSES...the end for APS-c DSLR
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Mark B. wrote:

davev8 wrote:

Chuck6345 wrote:

Still any reliable info on a possible Canon 7Diii before the 3rd millennium?

i let you be the judge whether any more APS-c bodies are coming ....the profit is in the lenses right..here is a list of APS-c lenses Canon has announced are being discontinude

Those are EF-S mount. All that says is there will be no more APS-C DSLR bodies. It says nothing for a potential APS-C mirrorless.

well obviously they are DSLR lenses ..but as i was replying to the OP that was asking about whether there will be a 7Diii DSLR or not ..he did not ask about a new APS-c MILC

The fact that more than 1/2 the APS-c lenses have been discontinued in 1 go is a strong indication there won't be any new APS-c DSLRs,  well high end anyway ...most rebel uses just use the kit lens

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My 5D IS a MK1 classic
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There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
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Dave
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Re: Let it go...

davev8 wrote:

Tannin wrote:

JPAlbert wrote:

Tannin wrote:
"Multiply me by the thousands upon thousands of others out there who are now sitting on their wallets because Canon is too stupid to service a ready market, and we are talking serious money they have walked away from."

Do you still insist on buying a car with a carburetor (instead of fuel injection)? If so, where do you find them?

The day of the "mirrored" camera is just about over.

Nonsense. Fuel injection does everthing a carby can do as well or better, and some things a carby can't do.

Mirrorless viewfinders, on the other hand, are grossly inferior to good optical ones.

well when an OVF can display a histogram and can punch in 10X and i can chimp without putting my glasses on you may have an argument

I couldn't care less what technology my camera uses - mirror, mirrorless, or little green pixies - but I will not put up with a low quality viewfinder on an otherwise high quality camera.

SLRs will be manufactured for at least the next 30 years, same as rangefinders went on being made by high-quality specialist makers for decades after the (film) SLR came along.

I am looking forward to an EVF that delivers on all counts.  They are certainly much improved from the earliest versions.  For now, I am happy with my camera's OVF and see no need to purchase a new body.

I'm glad I have the EF-S lenses I do and hope the used market will provide them to people who want them but cannot purchase new copies.

Finally, congratulations on the longest signature I've seen on any forum.

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IR1234 Senior Member • Posts: 1,891
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Mark B. wrote:

IR1234 wrote:

Chuck6345 wrote:

Still any reliable info on a possible Canon 7Diii before the 3rd millennium?

The 7D3 is out there - it's the R6.

No, it's not.

Why? Because it says 6?

Look at the specs of the two cameras, they are nearly identical with the exception of APS-C and Full Frame.

Where is the APS-C camera in the RF range? There isn't one. Canon literally aren't making one and have set the RP at the new entry level price point and that too is full frame.

We are over 3 years into the RF range - and no APS-C camera. And the 7D2 is now 7 years old and still "no replacement". Yet there is a replacement camera that is identical on nearly every spec - apart from sensor size.

We're a big 7D/7D2 user, we have something like 6 7Ds and 5 7D2s in our fleet. But face it, there is no 7D2 APS-C replacement. The next move is the R6.

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davev8
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Re: Let it go...
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Tannin wrote:

Mark B. wrote:

No. Canon has made it about as obvious as they can without actually putting out a press release that there will be no more DSLRs developed. Mirrorless is what they are doing now. Whether not there will be a Mirrorless APS-C remains to be seen.

If this is true, they are mad. Stark, raving mad. SLR lovers are standing around with money in their pockets waiting for things to buy. No 7D III, no 5D V, what were they thinking?

i think you are in the minority ...you only have to see what happened to Sony A mount when sony bring the E mount out..A mount went from 12-14% market share to 0.04% in a few short years and that was with a not very good  lens adaptor from A to E mount..as all EF lenses from 1987 work natively and most cases better on RF mount unless you just don't like EVFs an ML is better at everything so the majority of folk have no reason not to upgrade to a ML

I'm an examp0le. I used to spend a fortune on cameras and lenses. These last few years, I've spent that same money on musical instruments because there aren't any nice cameras to buy that I haven't already got (yes, I tried an R for a year- it was awful), and only one lens I particularly fancy (the 400 DO/4 - and I'm reluctant to buy one of those when I Canon won't guarantee production of bodies to suit it for its expected working life). Multiply me by the thousands upon thousands of others out there who are now sitting on their wallets because Canon is too stupid to service a ready market, and we are talking serious money they have walked away from.

you see canon knows the exact number of DSLRs sold and as canon waited so long to go ML i can bet my bottom quid (dollar for them across the pond) that canon will have milked the DSLR  market dry....i don't think Canon is stupid in fact the reverse i think they have played the market very well as their market share testify ..its still increasing faster than anyone else

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My 5D IS a MK1 classic
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OP Chuck6345 Regular Member • Posts: 183
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I wonder, if years from now, my 7dii will become a 'cult classic' like the Leica M4?

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Chuck6345 wrote:

I wonder, if years from now, my 7dii will become a 'cult classic' like the Leica M4?

I hope mine lasts that long : )

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Tannin Senior Member • Posts: 1,451
Re: Let it go...

I agree that I am in the minority, Dave8, but as any successful businessman knows,  minorities, specialties, and niche markets are huge profit centres.  And the SLR-buying part of the market is huge. Bigger than mirrorless? Of course not. But it doesn't need to be, it just needs to be big enough to provide a return on the R&D. Given that there is very little R&D required for a DSLR, it's a no-brainer.

Think about it: what does Canon have to spend to make (for example) a 5D V?

Body: pretty much nothing: DSLR body design has already reached perfection, or very very close to it.

Optical path (mirror, viewfinder, etc.). Nothing. All this engineering has already been done.

Sensor: pretty much nothing: sensors can be (and already have been) carried over from  the  equivalent mirrorless body at minimal cost.

Sort answer: it will cost them very little, and there is a pent-up market waiting for product.

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Tannin Senior Member • Posts: 1,451
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Back to the original topic - when will there be a replacement for the 7D II?

Answer: it has already been replaced by a camera which is very similar but superior in a number of respects, and inferior only in one - frame rate. The 5D IV has been my 7D II replacement, and it has brought better noise, better AF, better low-light AF, higher resolution, improved controls, bigger, brighter viewfinder .... and I don't miss the frame rate even though I've owned a series of fast cameras including 7D, 7D II, 1D III and 1D IV.

I still have my 7D II and use it often, but as a second or third camera behind the superb-in-all-respects 5D IV.

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If the EF-S 17-55/2.8 is discontinued and no replacement is released, that extinguishes any hope for more Canon APS-C pro grade DSLRs, IMO.

I think the market is too small and that the profit rates are too small. Pentax can see if they can get any profit out of it.

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Tannin wrote:

Back to the original topic - when will there be a replacement for the 7D II?

Answer: it has already been replaced by a camera which is very similar but superior in a number of respects, and inferior only in one - frame rate. The 5D IV has been my 7D II replacement, and it has brought better noise, better AF, better low-light AF, higher resolution, improved controls, bigger, brighter viewfinder .... and I don't miss the frame rate even though I've owned a series of fast cameras including 7D, 7D II, 1D III and 1D IV.

I still have my 7D II and use it often, but as a second or third camera behind the superb-in-all-respects 5D IV.

If I put the birding lenses I use with my 7D2 on my 5D4  I need to get much closer to my subject or a I need to do a 1.6x crop to get the same subject framing.

A 1.6x crop loses the light gathering (noise) advantages of the FF sensor and puts me down to 12 Megapixels.

The 5D4 is a good camera but I don’t see it as an upgrade or even an alternative for my 7D2 bird photography.  But a 32 Megapixel APS-C R7 will do it for me

Peter

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Re: R6
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IR1234 wrote:

Mark B. wrote:

IR1234 wrote:

Chuck6345 wrote:

Still any reliable info on a possible Canon 7Diii before the 3rd millennium?

The 7D3 is out there - it's the R6.

No, it's not.

Why? Because it says 6?

Look at the specs of the two cameras, they are nearly identical with the exception of APS-C and Full Frame.

Where is the APS-C camera in the RF range? There isn't one. Canon literally aren't making one and have set the RP at the new entry level price point and that too is full frame.

We are over 3 years into the RF range - and no APS-C camera. And the 7D2 is now 7 years old and still "no replacement". Yet there is a replacement camera that is identical on nearly every spec - apart from sensor size.

We're a big 7D/7D2 user, we have something like 6 7Ds and 5 7D2s in our fleet. But face it, there is no 7D2 APS-C replacement. The next move is the R6.

I think there have been a lot of delays for Canon what with the pandemic and more importantly, the component shortages. They are suffering and it would be mad to release models when you k is you cannot supply them. So what do they do? Well, if you delay a model you then have to look at its specs. If in the year or two delay it has fallen behind the competition then you need to do something to bring it back as a contender. It is not easy by any means.

I do think there will be more APS-C bodies, probably next year. Whether they will be a 7D replacement I do not know, only Canon do. There is demand out there and competition from Sony and Fuji. Will be interesting to see how it played out. As it stands the R5 is the nearest to a 7D2, not the R6 simply down to pixels on subject.

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IR1234 wrote:

Chuck6345 wrote:

Still any reliable info on a possible Canon 7Diii before the 3rd millennium?

The 7D3 is out there - it's the R6.

APS-C is done. It's over.

Pixel density is not over, and there is probably a larger market for an ~32.5MP APS-C RF body than an ~83MP FF with ~32.5MP in crop mode, which would be far more expensive, and may have less effective IBIS.

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