Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

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OP Mike200927 New Member • Posts: 13
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

Thanks again, that clarifies a lot.

Klaus dk
Klaus dk Veteran Member • Posts: 8,317
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing
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Mike200927 wrote:

Just one question about the zoom. As you know I'm not a pro so I just want photo's to hang in my house. When I use a lens with less zoom (more multifunctional) I would have pictures with a wider angle, so the motorbike will be "smaller". However when the resolution is good it will be no problem to crop the pictures at home, have them printed on A4 and still have a great result? Or am I missing something here?

The linear subject size is directly proportional to focal length, but the area covered by the subject is 1/focal length ratio squared.

So if you shoot at 100mm instead of 300mm, the motorbike will be 1/3 as large in each direction, covering 1/9 of the pixels. That is, if you can fill the 18Mp frame with your subject with a 300mm lens, with the 100mm, you only have 2Mp for the same framing, plus 16Mp you have no use for.

The loss of Mp means a loss of resolution and you'll also see all errors like noise, motion blur, focus errors, and (lack of) lens sharpness enlarged.

To make a good A4 print, 8-10Mp is usually considered enough, so a slight crop may not be a problem if you have a sharp lens, excellent technique, plenty of light, and superb AF. Most of us prefer to have a little headroom for cropping, especially with fast moving subjects, where exact framing is difficult in the heat of the moment.

Good luck and good light.

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thinkinginimages
thinkinginimages Senior Member • Posts: 1,342
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing
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Mike200927 wrote:

Next year I will visit the famous Isle of Man TT motorbike race.

For this event I want to buy a point-and- shoot camera. I'm not a pro and don't want to carry a large camera with all kind of different parts.

I know point-and-shoot has it limitations but I am ok with that. I assume I must have a camera which is fast and has a good burst mode.

Can someone advise me which camera's can do this, specific, job?

Thanks a lot, Mike

My favorite race to watch. The Panasonic FZ300 come to mind, maybe the 2500. If you don't care about weather proofing the FZ1000. These are fast cameras. (I have the FZ200, the non-weather resistant version of the FZ300, and had the FZ1000.)

Racing presents a few challenges, but so long as you are aware of them, you can make it work. You have two things to practice before going to the race: manual focus and focus locking (AFL/AEL). Even AF tracking isn't going to be fast enough. BUT you have the advantage of distance and depth of field. Time to go back to older techniques.

I don't want to go too far into DOF. The FZ300 uses a small sensor so, by design the DOF is fairly deep at 10 feet, even wide open.

Now, this may seem counter intuitive, but iA+ mode or Sport mode is probably a better choice than Manual or Shutter priority. These modes interpret movement. Just cap the ISO so it doesn't drift high. Again, it's something to play with. Go to the side of a busy road and see what each mode does.

IOMTT adds another twist-fog and haze. The FZ300 is weather resistant and has a continuous 2.8 zoom. I'd add a UV/haze filter.

Autofocus and racing is always tricky. It's good so long as a subject is not coming almost straight on and straight across. With focus locking and manual focus you can pre-focus on zones to capture. The FZ's have a reasonably fast CAF and use DFD, but they work best when you keep the camera trained on a zone, not hunt for an image.

Also keep in mind the 4K video function-you can capture a still burst with these cameras.

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OP Mike200927 New Member • Posts: 13
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

After all your answer I am still looking for a good used 7D. But, a friend wants to sell his Sony A68 for a reasonable price. Would this also be a good fit for my specific purpose? Or better stick to the 7D?

Thanks again.

PhotoTeach2 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

Mike200927 wrote:

Thanks again all of you.

I'll think I wil go for the D7 with Canon EF 100-300mm f4.5-5.6 USM or a Canon EF 70-300mm.

Try to catch a good deal and a half year of practice

I am totally confused ...

First you wanted a P&S ...

And you did NOT want to carry extra equipment.

Both the above requirements would be (best) matched w/ either FZ-330 (or FZ-1000).

Or actually (best) matched w/ the RX10-IV if you can afford $1700. USD.

But instead, you are now considering a D7 where you have to carry (and CHANGE) different lenses.  You will MISS countless shots while "changing" lenses.

All of the FZ and RX suggestions have a (FAST) WA to TELE zoom for not "missing" shots.

I don't think you ever stated your budget ??? ...

PhotoTeach2 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
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Mike200927 wrote:

After all your answer I am still looking for a good used 7D. But, a friend wants to sell his Sony A68 for a reasonable price. Would this also be a good fit for my specific purpose? Or better stick to the 7D?

Thanks again.

ANY camera is "OK", but no I would not personally choose a A68 or 7D.

Why have you dismissed the numerous suggestions of the FZ-330 or 1000 or RX10-IV ???

OP Mike200927 New Member • Posts: 13
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

This is mainly because of the price. I just want to use the camera once or twice a year. Maybe I can get a D7 for 100-200 euro's which is a fair price to me. Now I can buy this, newer Sony for 300. That's what makes me doubt.

PhotoTeach2 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

Mike200927 wrote:

This is mainly because of the price. I just want to use the camera once or twice a year. Maybe I can get a D7 for 100-200 euro's which is a fair price to me. Now I can buy this, newer Sony for 300. That's what makes me doubt.

I can't argue w/ getting a good/great deal on used, (especially if only for occasional use).

And both of the above cameras CAN work, (especially in experienced hands).

And due to their larger-sensor, I will also agree that they can potentially have better IQ, (in experienced hands).

And their OVF's can also have advantages for "moving" subjects.

But there are also advantages to MirrorLess (and bridge) cameras.

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Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

PhotoTeach2 wrote:

Mike200927 wrote:

This is mainly because of the price. I just want to use the camera once or twice a year. Maybe I can get a D7 for 100-200 euro's which is a fair price to me. Now I can buy this, newer Sony for 300. That's what makes me doubt.

I can't argue w/ getting a good/great deal on used, (especially if only for occasional use).

And both of the above cameras CAN work, (especially in experienced hands).

And due to their larger-sensor, I will also agree that they can potentially have better IQ, (in experienced hands).

And their OVF's can also have advantages for "moving" subjects.

But there are also advantages to MirrorLess (and bridge) cameras.

The Sony A68 uses an evf and has a fixed mirror (SLT)

PhotoTeach2 Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

Labe wrote:

PhotoTeach2 wrote:

Mike200927 wrote:

This is mainly because of the price. I just want to use the camera once or twice a year. Maybe I can get a D7 for 100-200 euro's which is a fair price to me. Now I can buy this, newer Sony for 300. That's what makes me doubt.

I can't argue w/ getting a good/great deal on used, (especially if only for occasional use).

And both of the above cameras CAN work, (especially in experienced hands).

And due to their larger-sensor, I will also agree that they can potentially have better IQ, (in experienced hands).

And their OVF's can also have advantages for "moving" subjects.

But there are also advantages to MirrorLess (and bridge) cameras.

The Sony A68 uses an evf and has a fixed mirror (SLT)

True, but an earlier EVF and does not have all the latest features (like "zebras").  But the fixed mirror should have less shutter-lag and I was personally surprised it was not more popular when first introduced.

(unknown member) Forum Pro • Posts: 12,611
Re: Best point-and-shoot camera for motorbike racing

PhotoTeach2 wrote:

Labe wrote:

PhotoTeach2 wrote:

Mike200927 wrote:

This is mainly because of the price. I just want to use the camera once or twice a year. Maybe I can get a D7 for 100-200 euro's which is a fair price to me. Now I can buy this, newer Sony for 300. That's what makes me doubt.

I can't argue w/ getting a good/great deal on used, (especially if only for occasional use).

And both of the above cameras CAN work, (especially in experienced hands).

And due to their larger-sensor, I will also agree that they can potentially have better IQ, (in experienced hands).

And their OVF's can also have advantages for "moving" subjects.

But there are also advantages to MirrorLess (and bridge) cameras.

The Sony A68 uses an evf and has a fixed mirror (SLT)

True, but an earlier EVF and does not have all the latest features (like "zebras"). But the fixed mirror should have less shutter-lag and I was personally surprised it was not more popular when first introduced.

It was the 70/30 split leading to light loss and a little noisy high iso as a result plus the die hard resistance to Sony at the time . I used the smaller slt A37 with primes for a few years only switching when the nex series with evf came about .

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