Still patiently waiting for the next 1:1:1 Foveon camera ...

The picture attached is taken with my last and only 1:1:1 Foveon camera, my good old SD1 Merrill. May be, I always posted it some years ago, but for sure in the same intention: I am of the opinion, that the crispness, the "sharpness", "micro contrast", in short the "power" of such a picture can only be achieved with a Foveon sensor with the 1:1:1 technology.

Mr. Yamaki told to us the meaningfull and important words: 'All employees have to respect each other, educate each other, and encourage each other' (that's even ethical) in order to express the efforts of Sigma in developing a next Foveon camera.

I myself am "stuck" with my photographical ambitions, I "stuck" with my SD1 Merrill – which is still unsurpassed for me – and in not any of those all other cameras and camera brands and gigapixel and automatisms, artifical intelligence, laugh detection etc. I'm interested in.
.   There is increasing movement in the "scene" to analog retro back again. And there are stunning pictures, which I didn't see since long time. And those people do not call, too, for IBIS, face detection, thetering and all that superfluous stuff, which one does not need for impressive pictures.

So I'm still waiting and holding my money back, waiting that Sigma will announce good news in developing the next 1:1:1 Foveon.

Johannes

Blossoming apple tree

Well said Johannes.

Ditto for me. I still cannot imagine moving on from my SD14 and DP2s...

I guess, i am guilty of being obstinate...as there are some things which i just cannot compromise on 

Regards,

Sattva

Thank you Johannes,

you tell me from the bottom of my heart, nothing is similar to the Foveon 1: 1: 1 sensor. It is the only possible digital replacement for the previous film / slide. Everything else is distortions and false hopes, waste ..
Peter Slovakia

I'm with you, Johannes!

Amadeus21 wrote:

The picture attached is taken with my last and only 1:1:1 Foveon camera, my good old SD1 Merrill. May be, I always posted it some years ago, but for sure in the same intention: I am of the opinion, that the crispness, the "sharpness", "micro contrast", in short the "power" of such a picture can only be achieved with a Foveon sensor with the 1:1:1 technology.

Pardon the peep but that is quite a good lens too!

Birds:

for more birds, click "original size", then + ...

Thanks a lot! to you all guys for your encouraging and concordant comments. I hope that our respect, our hope and encouragement will arrive at Mr. Yamaki and his team.
The picture has been taken with my most often used lens, the Sigma 18–35, 1:1.8 DC. I think from a distance of 15–20 meters.
As I read your comment, FDecker, I had a good smile. Thank you! But I think, that would be really to much even for a Foveon sensor and a really good lens! An other part of the pict shows, that these are happy birds in the sky (swallows) in some 150 (?) meters distance. (XPatUSA will do the math for us

Do we wait and hope – what else should we do

The DP3M is a wonderful camera, especially if you want crisp detail. I never had an SD1, or any of the earlier DSLRs.

To be viewed full size:

But while you lot are all glooming, the fp is a great camera too. If the Merrill is like Kodachrome, the fp reminds me of Ektachrome.

If you have some lenses from the times of film cameras, the fp is a good way to use them. Try one -- the prices have dropped greatly, at least in Britain. And the detail rendering can be very good.

Don

Amadeus21 wrote:

Thanks a lot! to you all guys for your encouraging and concordant comments. I hope that our respect, our hope and encouragement will arrive at Mr. Yamaki and his team.
The picture has been taken with my most often used lens, the Sigma 18–35, 1:1.8 DC. I think from a distance of 15–20 meters.
As I read your comment, FDecker, I had a good smile. Thank you! But I think, that would be really to much even for a Foveon sensor and a really good lens! An other part of the pict shows, that these are happy birds in the sky (swallows) in some 150 (?) meters distance.(XPatUSA will do the math for us

Be glad to:

distance say 150,000mm, focal length 26mm, bird say 300mm = 26/150,000x300 =52um at the sensor = about 10 pixels.

i don't wanna believe it !

More I feared (!), that you will do the math the other way round: That you will say, the birds are 8 pixels in the picture, therefore you have been 28 meters and 30 centimeters in distance of the tree ...
In deed, you are a well known and respected expert in all imaging physics and maths ...

Amadeus21 wrote:

i don't wanna believe it !

More I feared (!), that you will do the math the other way round: That you will say, the birds are 8 pixels in the picture, therefore you have been 28 meters and 30 centimeters in distance of the tree ...
Indeed, you are a well known and respected expert in all imaging physics and maths ...

Johannes, you are much too kind!

The unidentified flying objects were from maybe 5 to 18px in the image that I posted. I thought they were birds because of the obvious wing shape in the larger ones.

jfa3000 wrote:

...I'm shooting.

What a surprise ... jamais la politesse.

<> pixel-peeping mamas can have all the fun they like with yawn-worthy comedy technical observations <big snip>

Another complaint filed.

Do people who are ignored know they're being ignored on DPReview?

No, but you're not on my list ...

...
"Know your enemy"

Johannes,

Waiting & hoping. Wouldn't it be nice to hear some positive news about it soon.

S

I'm not waiting. I'm out shooting.

I do hope Sigma gets their full-frame Foveon sensor finished and produces a camera soon though. I don't think it will be ready by my birthday or Christmas, but maybe by some time next year. I think that would make 2022 a great year . . . especially now with all the lenses available in L mount that Sigma is offering, including some very small and light new lenses.

danski0224 wrote:

I certainly hope that Sigma releases it, and that it gets released at a much lower price point than when the SD1 (no M) was released.

I'd be happy, for a while, even if they dusted off the Merrill sensor from the DP(X)M series cameras and stuck it into the sdQ body, SA mount and all.

I suspect that many other people would buy one too.

I do like the sdQ very much. I'd just like a more usable interchangeable lens version of the SD1M.

I'd have both.

How about and L mount SD Quattro body with an H size "Merrill" sensor in it?

danski0224 wrote:

From what I remember reading, the Merrill sensor didn't play well with adapted lenses.

For some reason, the Quattro sensor doesn't have that issue (or it isn't as bad).

Also unsure how well either sensor type will work with a shorter flange distance and adapted lenses.

I may be in the minority, but I'd be fine with an SA mount release, especially if it was a Merrill re-issue. The lenses I have would work.

Mine too, but unfortunately Sigma won't be doing that. I'd like to see an updated SD1 Merrill, with faster operation, improved auto-focus, live-view, a better rear screen (similar to the screen on my SD Quattro H), and longer battery life.

Wouldn't hold out for an "H", either.

I won't hold out for anything at this point. I'm planning to get a Sony A7r IV as soon as I can. I have an MC-11 adapter, so I can use all my SA-mount lenses on it, and it has really good auto-focus, a mechanical shutter, a built-in viewfinder, long battery life, IBIS, and a tilt screen. I don't see Nikon or Canon introducing anything with a sensor that captures more pixels to make higher resolution images, so the Sony is what I'll get . . . and then maybe in the future I will get a little Sigma fp-L too . . . with that 35mm f2 . . . and an MC-21, so I can put all my SA-mount lenses on it.

I do not doubt that an existing generation Merrill or Quattro image that is good (in-focus, etc) will print just fine to 40 x 60.

I've seen them, and they aren't bad, but I want more resolution. I've seen prints from a Fuji GFX100, and they look better to me.