D850 & not a cat...

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lickity split
lickity split Veteran Member • Posts: 6,137
D850 & not a cat...
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I wanted to see what kinda detail i can get with the 200/4

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CptAmerica
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Re: D850 & not a cat...
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lickity split wrote:

I wanted to see what kinda detail i can get with the 200/4

shoot it again at F8 iso200, see what you get.

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lickity split
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Re: D850 & not a cat...

CptAmerica wrote:

lickity split wrote:

I wanted to see what kinda detail i can get with the 200/4

shoot it again at F8 iso200, see what you get.

Why would it make a big difference ? This is with a bounced flash,I stopped it down to increase its depth of field  which is very narrow as you can see

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CptAmerica
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Re: D850 & not a cat...
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lickity split wrote:

CptAmerica wrote:

lickity split wrote:

I wanted to see what kinda detail i can get with the 200/4

shoot it again at F8 iso200, see what you get.

Why would it make a big difference ? This is with a bounced flash,I stopped it down to increase its depth of field which is very narrow as you can see

Becauase if youre interested in detail, loss of sharpness due to diffraction at F16 and ISO400 isn't going to be ideal. You're better off with more flash, ISO64, at F8. That is where you will see real detail.

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lickity split
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Re: D850 & not a cat...

CptAmerica wrote:

lickity split wrote:

CptAmerica wrote:

lickity split wrote:

I wanted to see what kinda detail i can get with the 200/4

shoot it again at F8 iso200, see what you get.

Why would it make a big difference ? This is with a bounced flash,I stopped it down to increase its depth of field which is very narrow as you can see

Becauase if youre interested in detail, loss of sharpness due to diffraction at F16 and ISO400 isn't going to be ideal. You're better off with more flash, ISO64, at F8. That is where you will see real detail.

I’ll see what I get tomorrow, when filling most of the frame with the subject the depth of field is very shallow ( it’s a macro lens) ,it can stop down to f45

I know if I tried this at the minimum focusing distance of the 200/2 which is around 6’ I wouldn’t get the same amount of detail

ill post results tomorrow from both lenses, I’ll open the window blinds too this time.

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Re: D850 & not a cat...
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CptAmerica wrote:

lickity split wrote:

CptAmerica wrote:

lickity split wrote:

I wanted to see what kinda detail i can get with the 200/4

shoot it again at F8 iso200, see what you get.

Why would it make a big difference ? This is with a bounced flash,I stopped it down to increase its depth of field which is very narrow as you can see

Becauase if youre interested in detail, loss of sharpness due to diffraction at F16 and ISO400 isn't going to be ideal. You're better off with more flash, ISO64, at F8. That is where you will see real detail.

You were correct it gave more detail.

switching lenses gave results i thought they would, the macro lens @ f8 has a big reduction in depth of field which was harder to nail being handheld , the 200/2 gave more of the bird in focus but the detail was not as intense ,the amount of detail overall was incredible it was nowhere near as magnified as the 200/4 ,

The last pic shows shows his eyelashes pretty good

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dave gaines
dave gaines Veteran Member • Posts: 9,671
D850 & detail with macro

lickity split wrote:

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You were correct it gave more detail.

switching lenses gave results i thought they would, the macro lens @ f8 has a big reduction in depth of field which was harder to nail being handheld , the 200/2 gave more of the bird in focus but the detail was not as intense ,the amount of detail overall was incredible it was nowhere near as magnified as the 200/4 ,

The last pic shows shows his eyelashes pretty good

You're shooting the 200 mm f/2 at farther away and cropping the image to achieve the same subject size, the bird's head. You've cropped to about 20% or less of the frame by my guestimate.

The 200 mm f/4 focuses much closer and so you can fill the frame. Subject distance is reduced so you can dial back the flash or use a smaller aperture, yielding better DOF.

That was your point of course. To compare the two lenses for detail and sharpness with small subjects. Luckily you have a patient subject.

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lickity split
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Re: D850 & detail with macro
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dave gaines wrote:

lickity split wrote:

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You were correct it gave more detail.

switching lenses gave results i thought they would, the macro lens @ f8 has a big reduction in depth of field which was harder to nail being handheld , the 200/2 gave more of the bird in focus but the detail was not as intense ,the amount of detail overall was incredible it was nowhere near as magnified as the 200/4 ,

The last pic shows shows his eyelashes pretty good

You're shooting the 200 mm f/2 at farther away and cropping the image to achieve the same subject size, the bird's head. You've cropped to about 20% or less of the frame by my guestimate.

The 200 mm f/4 focuses much closer and so you can fill the frame. Subject distance is reduced so you can dial back the flash or use a smaller aperture, yielding better DOF.

That was your point of course. To compare the two lenses for detail and sharpness with small subjects. Luckily you have a patient subject.

Correct, and thank you for summing things up. You get more pixels on the subject with the macro lens because of its minimum focusing distance which is about 18”,( the closer I get the shallower the depth of field becomes) the end of the lens was under 2’ from the bird with the macro and the 200/2 puts you 6’ away and the subject is only a portion of the frame .

They both show nice detail it’s just that one takes things to another level.

The parakeet will sit there all day for you ,good luck getting the finches to do the same.

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That bird is watching the cat.......

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