Review K3 mark lll?

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bob5050 Senior Member • Posts: 2,846
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John_A_G wrote:

Agreed. But then you shouldn't trust them when they have something good to say about the system they're unfamiliar with either.

That also is true, and to my mind even further marginalizes the question of trust.

Basically, I think that in evaluating a review (positive or negative doesn't matter), one has to ask two types of questions:

  1. Does the reviewer have his facts straight? IOW, understand the tech, understand the context of the tech (that is, how it compares to competitive implementations), and therefore come up with appropriate test cases competently and rigorously conducted and evaluated.
  2. Does the reviewer's sense of the purpose of the tech align with (a) the implicit design goals of the device and (b) your own reasons for considering acquiring the device, or potentially choosing it over others?

I've previously characterized these as opportunities for tactical and strategic error respectively, though the military connotations are unfortunate.  Another way to characterize them would be as issues of whether the questions are being correctly answered, versus the issue of whether the right questions are being asked.

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Alex Sarbu Forum Pro • Posts: 13,082
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hikerdoc wrote:

bob5050 wrote:

Trust is, however, context sensitive. A reviewer that's very knowledgeable and trust-worthy for one system might not be reliable on another. Or even on the same system in a much-different shooting context.

Applicable Zen story here: https://www.learnreligions.com/empty-your-cup-3976934

It is always interesting in discussions like this that both sides to an argument could cite the same references in support of their positions. A direct quote from your cited essay (reference link above):

“Unfortunately, a true ideologue rarely recognizes a situation in which his beloved assumptions do not apply, which can lead him into colossal blunders.”

It's good we don't have "true ideologues" here

That may be a bit over the top in discussing choice of a camera.

But that wasn't bob5050's point and reason to mention that article; far from it.

This camera has been out for perhaps 4-6 months and has not created the excitement hoped for.

It didn't? Hoped by whom?

This camera was never going to generate excitement in Pentax-adverse people, or DSLR-adverse people. It was never going to break sales records, nor to replace Canon/Nikon DSLR sales by itself.

Ricoh Imaging's hopes were much more reasonable. And I think the K-3iii did well.

My hopes were much more reasonable too. In the end I decided to wait for a K-1 with the K-3iii technology (rather than switching back to APS-C), but I really want this technology.

It is a DSLR.

Yes. And this is great.

Most “unique” features in any current DSLR system are in common use and unique only in marketing semantics. (I know, IBIS is unique) The reviews are all coming to essentially the same conclusion and any upcoming reviews coming to completely different conclusions should lead one to question that reviewer. There are beloved assumptions coming from both camps. Any review will eventually come to those comparisons which reveal uncomfortable truths for users of any system; cost, AF, buffer, etc are some of those things for this camera.
I see blunders in dismissing the camera because it is not an MILC or in dismissing reviewers as inept if they come to conclusions different than the faithful.

Let's see the general direction of the review. DPReviewTV had to make dinosaur jokes...

Alex

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hikerdoc Veteran Member • Posts: 3,179
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Alex Sarbu wrote:

hikerdoc wrote:

This camera has been out for perhaps 4-6 months and has not created the excitement hoped for.

It didn't? Hoped by whom?

Ricoh?

It is a DSLR.

Yes. And this is great.

Alex

Not meant as a negative or to denigrate the camera. But a DSLR is not a mystery. These reviewers have handled multiple DSLR and discussions of any negatives can not be consistently dismissed as a result of anti Ricoh bias or ineptness on part of reviewer. I know you disagree with the perception that is occurring. I am good with that and I hope a FF version of this camera will be the camera you can purchase.

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RBIV Contributing Member • Posts: 860
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I find it interesting that this thread can generate such a large volume of discussion ---  before the K3iii is even reviewed here.

Glad I'm not the DPR guy who has to sign his name to whatever he writes 

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RBIV wrote:

I find it interesting that this thread can generate such a large volume of discussion --- before the K3iii is even reviewed here.

Glad I'm not the DPR guy who has to sign his name to whatever he writes

Indeed, there might be a little bit of “guilty until proven innocent” going on here.

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bob5050 Senior Member • Posts: 2,846
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PentUp wrote:

RBIV wrote:

I find it interesting that this thread can generate such a large volume of discussion --- before the K3iii is even reviewed here.

Glad I'm not the DPR guy who has to sign his name to whatever he writes

Indeed, there might be a little bit of “guilty until proven innocent” going on here.

You're ignoring thread drift...

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Alex Sarbu Forum Pro • Posts: 13,082
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PentUp wrote:

RBIV wrote:

I find it interesting that this thread can generate such a large volume of discussion --- before the K3iii is even reviewed here.

Glad I'm not the DPR guy who has to sign his name to whatever he writes

Indeed, there might be a little bit of “guilty until proven innocent” going on here.

The North remembers We're at the point where we can probably write half of the Cons list.

But, I'd very much like to be pleasantly surprised.

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Alex Sarbu Forum Pro • Posts: 13,082
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hikerdoc wrote:

Alex Sarbu wrote:

hikerdoc wrote:

This camera has been out for perhaps 4-6 months and has not created the excitement hoped for.

It didn't? Hoped by whom?

Ricoh?

Do you have any public statement or inside info to support your assumption?

As far as we know, the K-3iii might've been generating precisely the excitement hoped for.

It is a DSLR.

Yes. And this is great.

Alex

Not meant as a negative or to denigrate the camera. But a DSLR is not a mystery. These reviewers have handled multiple DSLR and discussions of any negatives can not be consistently dismissed as a result of anti Ricoh bias or ineptness on part of reviewer. I know you disagree with the perception that is occurring. I am good with that and I hope a FF version of this camera will be the camera you can purchase.

To claim that we're consistently dismissing "any negatives" is untrue.

Anyone can see how the K-3iii is dissected by its owners; people are discussing its AF, its battery life and so on.

Perhaps the problem here is that we don't accept any and allcriticism. Is that bad though? Simon Joinson agreed with us and hastily retracted the "WaterFAILS" article, even apologizing for it (although it wasn't his fault). So we can be right, occasionally

Alex

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