Review K3 mark lll?

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bob5050 Senior Member • Posts: 2,770
Re: I expect they will not
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flektogon wrote:

Yes, you are absolutely correct! Pentax fans will buy this camera regardless how negative (potentially) such a review would sound, because there is no other Pentax body available.

First, there are other Pentax bodies available.: the K-1 and K-70, and some sellers still have KPs in stock. And you always say things so negatively. How about because it's the finest APSC body they've ever made, and a worthy upgrade?

And, of course the notion of "regardless how negative (potentially) such a review would sound" has to be qualified by DPR's relative lack of general credibility on the brand.

Non Pentax fans will never buy any Pentax body regardless how positive (potentially) such a review would sound, because they have other available bodies/lenses. So, why DPReview should bother?

The sunk cost of lenses is pretty much the case with any gear exchange. I'd have to restock if I changed from Pentax; my wife would have to restock if she changed from Sony. The issues are exactly the same.

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bob5050 Senior Member • Posts: 2,770
Re: I expect they will not
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Photoeer wrote:

My thought is that the top line market goal of this camera is to stem the defection from the Pentax brand; second to entice old Pentax owners back. Building new market share is likely a far third I suspect.

I agree with the ordering. But I'd add in the goal of getting existing users to finally upgrade rather then using their K-5's etc. forever. They're neither brand defectors nor former users, they just haven't bought a new body in years and years.

New market share will come, or not, as Pentax develops its vision of a dslr for the future.

And as Canikon users decide the relative importance to them of their brand, versus having a DSLR OVF rather than a MILC (versus, again, just using the last body they bought as long as possible).

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Photoeer New Member • Posts: 14
Re: I expect they will not
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IQ wise  k5’s were very compelling cameras, not hard to understand hanging on to them  Seems to me the k3 iii is a pretty compelling reason to upgrade if your using that format

I’ll be looking seriously at any new full frame  and (fingers and toes crossed) any medium format updates. It seems like the new Pentax focus capabilities will meet my needs. I think they seem to be in the right track with new glass. Third party software support is my question- I hope Pentax bites the bullet and cozies up to capture one. 
As to other people switching, or more likely adding Pentax to their kit, capable uniqueness is the key  I think

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Don Kiyoti Regular Member • Posts: 484
Re: I expect they will not
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Photoeer wrote:

Any evidence of this besides your opinion? Giving that opinion the benefit of the doubt that the camera is only attractive to Pentax owners is that bad?

My thought is that the top line market goal of this camera is to stem the defection from the Pentax brand; second to entice old Pentax owners back. Building new market share is likely a far third I suspect.
New market share will come, or not, as Pentax develops its vision of a dslr for the future.

Did I claim to know for a fact that they won't review the camera? No? Then it's my opinion.
Would you disagree that DPReview focuses on what the majority of their audience is interested in? (It's not Pentax.)

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drummercam Senior Member • Posts: 1,950
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altis wrote:

Who wants to read a DPR review with its baked-in noise?

Ouch!
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"Heavy for its size" -- DPR

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dnscott645 Regular Member • Posts: 153
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you are right, DP Review has done this with other products.

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PentUp Veteran Member • Posts: 3,007
Re: I expect they will not

flektogon wrote:

Don Kiyoti wrote:

By now, there's very little interest in this camera outside of Pentax circles. I just don't think DPReview feels it's worth their time & effort.

Yes, you are absolutely correct! Pentax fans will buy this camera regardless how negative (potentially) such a review would sound, because there is no other Pentax body available. Non Pentax fans will never buy any Pentax body regardless how positive (potentially) such a review would sound, because they have other available bodies/lenses. So, why DPReview should bother?

On that rationale, why would they bother doing any reviews of any product at all?

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JeremieB Senior Member • Posts: 1,277
Re: I expect they will not
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Don Kiyoti wrote:

Photoeer wrote:

Any evidence of this besides your opinion? Giving that opinion the benefit of the doubt that the camera is only attractive to Pentax owners is that bad?

My thought is that the top line market goal of this camera is to stem the defection from the Pentax brand; second to entice old Pentax owners back. Building new market share is likely a far third I suspect.
New market share will come, or not, as Pentax develops its vision of a dslr for the future.

Did I claim to know for a fact that they won't review the camera? No? Then it's my opinion.
Would you disagree that DPReview focuses on what the majority of their audience is interested in? (It's not Pentax.)

They did add studio scene shots, a short video review, a preview article at announcement, recently sample shots for 2 limited lenses with merely new HD coatings ...

So yes I would disagree, there are facts showing that DPR still has some interest in Pentax products, and they do their review job.

About the audience: how do you know what the audience is interested in ? (not the same thing as interested in buying).

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 29,685
You have the TV review
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OP kriztian Senior Member • Posts: 1,398
Re: You have the TV review

Thanks a lot Roland ( bad review on digital cameras though )

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 29,685
Re: You have the TV review
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kriztian wrote:

Thanks a lot Roland ( bad review on digital cameras though )

I think it is an honest evaluation. They were curious about and looked at it and told their opinion. And the opinion is, from their perspective, fair.

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Jon Donahue Contributing Member • Posts: 858
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You don't think there's a good case of reportorial laziness going on? Copy-paste quickie rewrite time?

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Jon Donahue Contributing Member • Posts: 858
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The larger question, Pentax aside, is whether there is any significant future market for cameras other than those in cell phones. Who will buy them once the 60+ age group passes on?

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 29,685
Re: Review K3 mark lll?

Jon Donahue wrote:

The larger question, Pentax aside, is whether there is any significant future market for cameras other than those in cell phones. Who will buy them once the 60+ age group passes on?

Yes, there is a huge market for system cameras. You can start thinking sports, wildlife and camera interested amateurs. The latter are not only 60+.

It is compact cameras that have problems with phones. Why buy a cheap compact camera when you already have a camera in your phone.

Note though that the camera phones we are interested in are the ones with three or four camera modules for super wide, tele and zoom stuff. Very expensive phones. Most people just get a cheaper phone with a simple camera. And that simple camera is just wide angle. Not all that useful sometimes.

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PentUp Veteran Member • Posts: 3,007
Re: Review K3 mark lll?

Roland Karlsson wrote:

Jon Donahue wrote:

The larger question, Pentax aside, is whether there is any significant future market for cameras other than those in cell phones. Who will buy them once the 60+ age group passes on?

Yes, there is a huge market for system cameras. You can start thinking sports, wildlife and camera interested amateurs. The latter are not only 60+.

It is compact cameras that have problems with phones. Why buy a cheap compact camera when you already have a camera in your phone.

Note though that the camera phones we are interested in are the ones with three or four camera modules for super wide, tele and zoom stuff. Very expensive phones. Most people just get a cheaper phone with a simple camera. And that simple camera is just wide angle. Not all that useful sometimes.

My phone is just that .. a phone, that can also take photos, check and send email, surf the web, and stuff... I know that life will be complete when my DSLR can make phone calls!

Come on Pentax, hurry up with the Pentax DSLR phone... just as soon as you're finished working on my 55-550mm lens

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 29,685
Re: Review K3 mark lll?
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PentUp wrote:

Roland Karlsson wrote:

Jon Donahue wrote:

The larger question, Pentax aside, is whether there is any significant future market for cameras other than those in cell phones. Who will buy them once the 60+ age group passes on?

Yes, there is a huge market for system cameras. You can start thinking sports, wildlife and camera interested amateurs. The latter are not only 60+.

It is compact cameras that have problems with phones. Why buy a cheap compact camera when you already have a camera in your phone.

Note though that the camera phones we are interested in are the ones with three or four camera modules for super wide, tele and zoom stuff. Very expensive phones. Most people just get a cheaper phone with a simple camera. And that simple camera is just wide angle. Not all that useful sometimes.

My phone is just that .. a phone, that can also take photos, check and send email, surf the web, and stuff... I know that life will be complete when my DSLR can make phone calls!

Come on Pentax, hurry up with the Pentax DSLR phone... just as soon as you're finished working on my 55-550mm lens

Hmm .. a K-1 III that also can be used as a phone. I would say - a rather clumsy phone.

But, maybe it comes with head phones.

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Yes, the next Ricoh GR is ideal to be the first compact camera & phone in one 

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hikerdoc Veteran Member • Posts: 3,072
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Roland Karlsson wrote:

Hmm .. a K-1 III that also can be used as a phone. I would say - a rather clumsy phone.

But, maybe it comes with head phones.

The ubiquitous Apple Watch links up to the iPhone. I can be outside, working in the garden with one hand and talking into my other wrist as the watch has linked up to the phone sitting in the kitchen. Put the phone in your pocket as you head out and let the microphone on that K1-III multitask. Tap accept on the touch screen, start talking and keep on shooting!

Now, if you could leave the camera with a mounted super tele in the car and have the phone link remotely to the lens…

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Roland Karlsson Forum Pro • Posts: 29,685
Re: Review K3 mark lll?

hikerdoc wrote:

Roland Karlsson wrote:

Hmm .. a K-1 III that also can be used as a phone. I would say - a rather clumsy phone.

But, maybe it comes with head phones.

The ubiquitous Apple Watch links up to the iPhone. I can be outside, working in the garden with one hand and talking into my other wrist as the watch has linked up to the phone sitting in the kitchen. Put the phone in your pocket as you head out and let the microphone on that K1-III multitask. Tap accept on the touch screen, start talking and keep on shooting!

OK

Now, if you could leave the camera with a mounted super tele in the car and have the phone link remotely to the lens…

See, you found a problem directly with that solution.

Having to walk around wit 1.5 kilo camera in order to have a phone I do not think sounds so attractive. I remember that I have seen pictures of the first "mobile" phones. You needed a car to make it mobile.

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John_A_G Veteran Member • Posts: 8,163
I partially agree but there is more
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flektogon wrote:

Don Kiyoti wrote:

By now, there's very little interest in this camera outside of Pentax circles. I just don't think DPReview feels it's worth their time & effort.

Yes, you are absolutely correct! Pentax fans will buy this camera regardless how negative (potentially) such a review would sound, because there is no other Pentax body available. Non Pentax fans will never buy any Pentax body regardless how positive (potentially) such a review would sound, because they have other available bodies/lenses. So, why DPReview should bother?

How much market share does Pentax have?  Canon, Sony, Nikon, etc are going to be a higher priority because more people are interested in them.  And, in the overall market this camera is evolutionary, not revolutionary.  That, I believe, is the primary reason.

But, you're also on to something as well.  The Pentax faithful will blast every negative comment made about the camera.  Just look at any review someone has linked to - there are those faithful that jump out and attack the reviewer.

So, now you're DPR - you get income based on add clicks.  So, you're going to publish a review less people will read and thus click on adds and you're going to get endless grief for anything perceived by the faithful as suggesting the camera isn't the greatest invention of our time.

I think if the faithful who always slam these reviewers had to write reviews of non Pentax gear and get slammed by others for their reviews, they'd be less keen on doing it.  Especially, when it makes more business sense to review cameras more of the market is interested in anyway.

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