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mark25 Forum Member • Posts: 59
Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

Hi everyone, I need your opinion on the following matter:

A certain photographic competition states a rule that the pictures to be submitted must be taken on 16 megapixel cameras and the photographer must provide full EXIF info.

The photographer who's willing to take part in the competition has some images that were taken with 16 megapixel cameras, no problem.

However, some of his most favorite/remarkable/best work was done on 12 megapixel cameras (Pro and mirror-less both)...

The photographer has the following question for you:

1) Is it ethical/moral if he prints the 12 MP photos and re-shoots them with a 16MP camera (this way the images will comply with the competition rules + the EXIF will also fit the rules)

2)Would this be considered "unfair" or plain "wrong" ?

Remember, he is the copyright/original/legal owner of the 12MP photos, he took them himself.

Looking forward to your answers.

Thanks

Mark

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Halina123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,570
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

mark25 wrote:

Hi everyone, I need your opinion on the following matter:

A certain photographic competition states a rule that the pictures to be submitted must be taken on 16 megapixel cameras and the photographer must provide full EXIF info.

The photographer who's willing to take part in the competition has some images that were taken with 16 megapixel cameras, no problem.

However, some of his most favorite/remarkable/best work was done on 12 megapixel cameras (Pro and mirror-less both)...

The photographer has the following question for you:

1) Is it ethical/moral if he prints the 12 MP photos and re-shoots them with a 16MP camera (this way the images will comply with the competition rules + the EXIF will also fit the rules)

2)Would this be considered "unfair" or plain "wrong" ?

Remember, he is the copyright/original/legal owner of the 12MP photos, he took them himself.

Looking forward to your answers.

Thanks

Mark

What photographic competition insists on the use of 16 megapixel cameras, not more, not less?

OP mark25 Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

there is one that does, so please answer the question that i have asked.

Halina123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,570
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

mark25 wrote:

there is one that does, so please answer the question that i have asked.

I don't believe you.

You sound like a troll.😁

Dr_Love
Dr_Love Contributing Member • Posts: 931
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

mark25 wrote:

Hi everyone, I need your opinion on the following matter:

A certain photographic competition states a rule that the pictures to be submitted must be taken on 16 megapixel cameras and the photographer must provide full EXIF info.

The photographer who's willing to take part in the competition has some images that were taken with 16 megapixel cameras, no problem.

However, some of his most favorite/remarkable/best work was done on 12 megapixel cameras (Pro and mirror-less both)...

The photographer has the following question for you:

1) Is it ethical/moral if he prints the 12 MP photos and re-shoots them with a 16MP camera (this way the images will comply with the competition rules + the EXIF will also fit the rules)

2)Would this be considered "unfair" or plain "wrong" ?

Remember, he is the copyright/original/legal owner of the 12MP photos, he took them himself.

Looking forward to your answers.

Thanks

Mark

I'm not aware of any competition wher you need to use a specific number of megapixels. The only logic I could see is maybe a situation for students or something to level the playing field at a reasonable cost for new shooters. If this is an entry level competition and your friend is using pro gear ( +skills to go with it), perhaps they should look for a competition against their peers of equal skill.

The other thing I would suggest is to contact the organizers. There is a good chance they will allow fewer megapixels since less would generally seen as a disadvantage.

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Doug J Forum Pro • Posts: 11,342
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Why not ask the organization that is running the competition?

Cheers,
Doug

OP mark25 Forum Member • Posts: 59
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I emailed the organizers, they said that the stipulation is to make sure the quality doesn't get affected. They also said that its 16 or more MP, anything less won't do it.

OP mark25 Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

thank you, I did email the organizers, they said that the stipulation is to make sure the quality doesn't get affected. They also said that its 16 or more MP, anything less won't do it.

Doug J Forum Pro • Posts: 11,342
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

mark25 wrote:

thank you, I did email the organizers, they said that the stipulation is to make sure the quality doesn't get affected. They also said that its 16 or more MP, anything less won't do it.

Did you ask them if a 16 MP (or higher) photo of a photo would meet the criteria?

Cheers,

Doug

OP mark25 Forum Member • Posts: 59
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yes, i did. they insisted, though, that the cameras on which the images should be taken has to be 16MP at least.

Dr_Love
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mark25 wrote:

I emailed the organizers, they said that the stipulation is to make sure the quality doesn't get affected. They also said that its 16 or more MP, anything less won't do it.

Sounds like you have your answer.

Ethically what you have suggested doesn't break the rules so I would have no problem with it. On the other hand , what chance do you have with a photo of a print vs true 42mp + images? The image quality of your solution will likely not cut it. Sorry if this isn't what you want to hear.

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OP mark25 Forum Member • Posts: 59
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

not sorry at all, thank you for your reply. I'm still wondering how big a print would I need to make of the 12mp files in order to capture enough details for it to be good enough for the competition...?

J A C S
J A C S Forum Pro • Posts: 19,301
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mark25 wrote:

yes, i did. they insisted, though, that the cameras on which the images should be taken has to be 16MP at least.

Sounds like one of those rights grabs; they want to be able to sell and print them later, and the "winners" will get a pat on the back.

Photo Contests – Is that a contest or Rights Grab? (digital-photography-school.com)

Jim Cassatt Veteran Member • Posts: 4,973
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I must admit that this is one of the most stupid rules I have ever heard. Let's say two photographers take the same picture. One with a 12 megapixel camera and the other with a 20 megapixel camera. . Photographer one fills the frame with the subject, so the picture is uncropped. Photographer 2 was further away and had to rather severely crop the picture. Photographer 1's picture would be disqualified, but photographer 2's picture allowed even though photographer 1's picture is probably of higher quality.--
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Phil A Martin
Phil A Martin Veteran Member • Posts: 6,372
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

Halina123 wrote:

mark25 wrote:

Hi everyone, I need your opinion on the following matter:

A certain photographic competition states a rule that the pictures to be submitted must be taken on 16 megapixel cameras and the photographer must provide full EXIF info.

The photographer who's willing to take part in the competition has some images that were taken with 16 megapixel cameras, no problem.

However, some of his most favorite/remarkable/best work was done on 12 megapixel cameras (Pro and mirror-less both)...

The photographer has the following question for you:

1) Is it ethical/moral if he prints the 12 MP photos and re-shoots them with a 16MP camera (this way the images will comply with the competition rules + the EXIF will also fit the rules)

2)Would this be considered "unfair" or plain "wrong" ?

Remember, he is the copyright/original/legal owner of the 12MP photos, he took them himself.

Looking forward to your answers.

Thanks

Mark

What photographic competition insists on the use of 16 megapixel cameras, not more, not less?

Yes it's an odd photography competition that would be so rigid in it's entry requirements but if those are the rules, so be it and any attempt to circumvent them would be unethical.

Phil A Martin
Phil A Martin Veteran Member • Posts: 6,372
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mark25 wrote:

there is one that does, so please answer the question that i have asked.

I did, it would be unethical to forge an entry that by passes the rules.

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Doug J Forum Pro • Posts: 11,342
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mark25 wrote:

yes, i did. they insisted, though, that the cameras on which the images should be taken has to be 16MP at least.

A silly rule, I wonder if they realize the lens plays a role in resolution. Perhaps they should specify the minimum number of elements, number of groups, and MTF 

Cheers,
Doug

J A C S
J A C S Forum Pro • Posts: 19,301
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Doug J wrote:

mark25 wrote:

yes, i did. they insisted, though, that the cameras on which the images should be taken has to be 16MP at least.

A silly rule, I wonder if they realize the lens plays a role in resolution.

It will make easier for them to sell the images.

msu79gt82 Senior Member • Posts: 1,524
Re: Moral/Ethical Dilemma

Interesting discussion in this thread.

The rules are clearly stated; photos MUST be shot with a 16+ MP camera to qualify for the competition. Many (most?) don’t like and/or agree with the rules so the ethical/moral dilemma revolves around how does one bend/break/circumvent these clearly stated rules so that one may do as they please regardless of said rules.

Society increasingly insists on following a “I do what I want” philosophy.

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Halina123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,570
Re: Photo Competition Moral/Ethical Dilemma

mark25 wrote:

I emailed the organizers, they said that the stipulation is to make sure the quality doesn't get affected. They also said that its 16 or more MP, anything less won't do it.

So, when they explicitly stated 16MP, they implicitly meant at least 16MP.

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