Canon Eos 600 film - Blank frames...:(

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Mister Jake New Member • Posts: 14
Canon Eos 600 film - Blank frames...:(

Hello, there fellow analog people!

My first question on DP review,
Just introduction you don't have to read!

Photographer for 20 years, started in Film actually,
shooting mostly film now, as a form of therapy
which I'm sure you all know
Photo-therapy if you'd like.

I shoot mostly Holga, and any cheap film camera I can find in drift stores,
found a Minolta point and shoot (Hi Matic AF2) ... 2€ half-broken lever,
but if functions and a joy to use.

and to my question!
I have also a Canon 600 film camera which I like,
the feeling of it is almost as Canon 5d/6d etc
I use it with modern lenses,
(50mm, 40mm, 35mm old version- I sold my digital canon gear and the expensive L lenses
Just left me the inexpensive ones for film Photography experiments)

It worked fine for one or two roles, and now I received the film from development, and only 11 shots came out, (I guess the rest completely blank) the frames that came out - half of them almost completely blank, ( you can see just a small strip in the bottom of the image which was exposed...

Any Ideas why?
I have a feeling that is because I shot in high Shutter Speed!
2000/s or so... maybe it can't shoot anymore in these speeds :(...
I think that the shots that were shot in lower shutter speeds turned out alright...
125/s 250/s

did anyone here had a similar experience?
Cheers!

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One of the half blank frames

Overrank
Overrank Senior Member • Posts: 2,906
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Were they shot with flash ?

blåland Contributing Member • Posts: 564
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Mister Jake wrote:

Hello, there fellow analog people!

My first question on DP review,
Just introduction you don't have to read!

Photographer for 20 years, started in Film actually,
shooting mostly film now, as a form of therapy
which I'm sure you all know
Photo-therapy if you'd like.

I shoot mostly Holga, and any cheap film camera I can find in drift stores,
found a Minolta point and shoot (Hi Matic AF2) ... 2€ half-broken lever,
but if functions and a joy to use.

and to my question!
I have also a Canon 600 film camera which I like,
the feeling of it is almost as Canon 5d/6d etc
I use it with modern lenses,
(50mm, 40mm, 35mm old version- I sold my digital canon gear and the expensive L lenses
Just left me the inexpensive ones for film Photography experiments)

It worked fine for one or two roles, and now I received the film from development, and only 11 shots came out, (I guess the rest completely blank) the frames that came out - half of them almost completely blank, ( you can see just a small strip in the bottom of the image which was exposed...

Any Ideas why?
I have a feeling that is because I shot in high Shutter Speed!
2000/s or so... maybe it can't shoot anymore in these speeds :(...
I think that the shots that were shot in lower shutter speeds turned out alright...
125/s 250/s

did anyone here had a similar experience?
Cheers!

mister___jake on Instagram!
Just Holga
New account!

Had the same problem with that camera, there was goo on the shutter. Now I have a EOS 300V instead no problem. The easiest thing is to upgrade to a newer model.

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Barry Twycross Veteran Member • Posts: 4,675
Re: Canon Eos 600 film - Blank frames...:(

Mister Jake wrote:

Any Ideas why?
I have a feeling that is because I shot in high Shutter Speed!
2000/s or so... maybe it can't shoot anymore in these speeds :(...
I think that the shots that were shot in lower shutter speeds turned out alright...
125/s 250/s

did anyone here had a similar experience?
Cheers!

mister___jake on Instagram!
Just Holga
New account!

One of the half blank frames

Looks like a sticky shutter. if the leading curtain doesn't travel fast enough, or stops, the following curtain catches up with it, so the shutter closes mid flight. The second curtain then pushes the pair to the end.

It'll be worse at higher speeds, but lower speeds may suffer from uneven exposure.

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OP Mister Jake New Member • Posts: 14
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No, they weren't,
But I know what you had in mind, 
It looks like I shot with flash with SS above the Max sync speed...
It looks the same I agree.
Thank you

OP Mister Jake New Member • Posts: 14
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I think you are right
the last time I changed film, I've noticed some oily stuff, just a little bit, I actually thought its goo, mechanical parts need some lubrication, but I guess it sticks the shutter.
Well, too bad I kind of like it, but I won't cry if it has to go.
I'll get a newer model.
The funny thing is my first camera was EOS film 3000 I think 
and after almost 20 years I might get back to it!

OP Mister Jake New Member • Posts: 14
Re: Canon Eos 600 film - Blank frames...:(

I believe you are right
I noticed some oily stuff on the shutter.

Eggplantt
Eggplantt Regular Member • Posts: 106
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Most likely the sticky shutter problem, which roughly speaking stopped being an issue at the time of the EOS 300/50e, and maybe 500N. It prevents you from using speeds beyond a certain point.

Could you post an image of the shutter with the back open/film unloaded? There might be goo visible on it.

Regardless, to test this out- unload film from camera, take lens off, and hold it up to a light with the back open. Then cycle through shutter speeds until you see one that doesn't look right/like the rest.

Thankfully- this problem can be solved without disassembly or specialist tools, if you look it up.

If you are going to use autofocus canon lenses, then I recommend buying one after the point I mentioned, which on the cheap will be an EOS 300V (later) or EOS 300 (earlier).

If you want to use manual focus lenses with a manual focus screen on EF mount, then I recommend you find a working EOS 600/620/650, or clean this one. They are the only model that are cheap, plentiful and support removable screens.

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Barry Twycross Veteran Member • Posts: 4,675
Re: Canon Eos 600 film - Blank frames...:(

Mister Jake wrote:

I believe you are right
I noticed some oily stuff on the shutter.

You might get somewhere just exercising the shutter a bit (or a lot).

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OP Mister Jake New Member • Posts: 14
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Yes Its definitely gooey stuff
I'll try to clean it with alcohol as I've seen on Youtube.
we'll see...
It is noticeable when the shutter works, you can see it sticks.
If the alcohol won't work I'll just buy a newer model, they are everywhere in the 2nd hand sites
Thank you

OP Mister Jake New Member • Posts: 14
Re: Canon Eos 600 film - Blank frames...:(

Thought about it and did it
It doesn't seem to get better...
the gooey stuff is still there
But thanks

blåland Contributing Member • Posts: 564
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Mister Jake wrote:

Thought about it and did it
It doesn't seem to get better...
the gooey stuff is still there
But thanks

I can report that I also tried to clean the shutter because, you got nothing to lose right.

I got the shutter looking clean with some residual marks but the function was not restored.

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elmo Senior Member • Posts: 2,934
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Yuck. Seen it before, on a few Canons. I had luck cleaning a couple. No luck with another. I think you also have unseen goo on the back of that shutter curtain. Unfortunately, you can't remove the lens and mirror up to clean it, because the other shutter curtain is in the way.

Somewhere I saw where a guy had made/modified swabs with a 90 degree bend... he would deform the shutter blades enough to get behind the leaves to swab. I have not tried this. The leaves are pretty flexible, and, if not creased, can be allowed to pop back into place. Let us know, if you try it.

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KCK14 Senior Member • Posts: 1,129
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This was a common problem with many film EOS cameras.  There was a small pad of rubber that damped the curtain at the end of its travel to prevent bounce.  That rubber turned to a gooey blob and smeared itself on the curtains.   The proper fix was to pull the mirror cage and shutter.  We usually replaced the blade set instead of trying to clean it. and then replace the pad with one that Canon hoped wouldn't remelt.

Cleaning the blades in place is possible, but probably temporary as the pile of goo is still in the bottom corner of the shutter. This was a problem with the Canons at least 20 years ago.

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Ricardo_Fon
Ricardo_Fon Forum Member • Posts: 53
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I had this on my Eos 630. Fixed with some strips of printer paper and lighter fluid and it's been fine since.

Not sure if I'm allowed to post links... But I'm sure an admin will put me straight.

Here's what I did: https://youtu.be/-oc1lKLQQhk

The trick is keeping cleaning till it's all gone. It took me a while.

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OP Mister Jake New Member • Posts: 14
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Yes, I actually saw this video yesterday,
That's what I'm going to try.
Cheers

tapirek Junior Member • Posts: 32
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It is a well know issue with Canon 6xx series of film SLRs (I have two EOS 650s that had this). Shutter bumper melts and the goo makes shutter sticky - it will be worst over time. This can be cleaned up but likely the cost of cleaning is bigger than the cost of replacing the camera with something else. On the other hand if cleaned properly, 6xx series is indestructible. Both my EOSes still work.

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