Why Olympus is an ACE in all sizes ! Locked

gary0319 wrote:

SteveY80 wrote:

gary0319 wrote:

SteveY80 wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

The people that complain about size is because the options at the lower end that are smaller use hand me down old tech That just changed recently with em5.3, g100, em10mkiv and ep7 but just real relatively recently - and you can still argue they are a hit behind

no pdaf for em10.4 or ep7 for example

That's the problem I have with the current m4/3 lineup. The camera bodies with a design/size that really appeals to me are too limited and dumbed down.

But, if all the latest and greatest technology would be included in a smaller body, would you be willing to pay the same amount as the larger body, just to get that technology? I fear most would say no, actually just really wanting the same technology for a lower price.

So that would make a market of two, you and me, that would pay the freight.

I Would actually pay considerably more for a small but capable camera.

I'd certainly pay an extra $1000 for a GX9 with capabilities closer to the G9.

Obviously I don't know if there's enough demand to make a small but high end m43 camera viable.

Sony seem to have done quite well with the Rx100 series of compact cameras. They pack a lot of technology into a pocket sized camera and charge a premium price for it.

As I mentioned…. that makes two of us willing to pony up some cash for a premium small MILC camera. Maybe there would be more, but I suspect we are part of a very small group around here.

But, glad to know I’m not the only one….

Make that three  I rather pay for the right product more than for a compromised product less   You pay for the expensive one once but take many photos with it

gary0319 wrote:

steppenwolfer wrote:

It is true, there are various sized bodies available from Olympus. Problem to me is, that high end functions and capabilities are not available in smallest bodies. EM5 mk3 finally got phase detection, but still does not have all functions found in big brother EM1 mk2.

Same goes for Panasonic - I had G9 which was great, but for my intended use quiet big. GX series which would be "right size" for me, lack capabilities and functions found in G9.

So, if one choose smaller body, there will be several compromises made - some are understandable (physical limitations) and some are there only due to market segmentation.

Currently I don't own any m4/3 body, but am holding few lenses and waiting for next generation of bodies. In the meantime I use Nikon Z which, with "consumer" lenses is not that much bigger than m4/3 system that I had.

It would be nice if my E-M5 III had all the features and processing power of my E-M1 III, same innards, smaller body. But, I also would have to assume that, if it were technically doable, the price for such a camera would be the same as the larger bodied model.

You don’t have to put everything to be competitive you can segment by for example FPS drive It you could still include many of the other competitive tricks

the em5.3 would have been more competitive vs market had it had HHHR for example at that price

it should have has detailed jpeg processing option at least

absoluutbeginner wrote:

About Olympus camera lenses sizes and complaints .

I have the E-M10 ..small compact and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) with kit lens .

I have E-M5 something bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses ( normal and Pro ) with kit lens .

I have E-M1 series a bit more bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) .

I have E-M1X great camera for wildlife ... much more people are discovering the greatness of this camera after 2years .... (this E-M1X has been burned down from the start by stupid people ) , and i can put all m4/3 lenses on it (big and small) .

just missed this   It should people darling - it just wasn’t selling and it seemed way too expensive at its size and sensor   Just because people didn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are necessarily stupid people   The sales at least at first prove the point - the camera wasn’t selling well

I bought the 300mm Pro when it first came out ..... a marvel ! a small big lens which blows away the competition ..still after using it for 4 years ? I bought several small lenses too.. and they are all very good for what i do.

I dream about the 150-400mm .. a huge Pro lens .... which is a send from someone out there in the universe .... but a but to hefty on price for me .

So anyone complaining about the size ? Come on .. you have a choice , from small to bigger ..but all still small in comparison to the rest of the brands .

So you have a choice and next to it brand new technology ..... I do not see this with the rest of the brands .

Stop nagging and use all shapes and sizes of lenses and cameras to put you effort into making your photos ...

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

absoluutbeginner wrote:

About Olympus camera lenses sizes and complaints .

I have the E-M10 ..small compact and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) with kit lens .

I have E-M5 something bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses ( normal and Pro ) with kit lens .

I have E-M1 series a bit more bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) .

I have E-M1X great camera for wildlife ... much more people are discovering the greatness of this camera after 2years .... (this E-M1X has been burned down from the start by stupid people ) , and i can put all m4/3 lenses on it (big and small) .

just missed this It should people darling - it just wasn’t selling and it seemed way too expensive at its size and sensor Just because people didn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are necessarily stupid people The sales at least at first prove the point - the camera wasn’t selling well

Contrary to opinion, EM1X was selling well when it debuted.

"We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well."

-Masanori Sako, Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy

https://phototrend.fr/2020/03/interview-olympus-masanori-sako-japon-2020/

Not what the sales they did on it , along store data shows plus Things like BcN/ Amazon/ bhpjoto best sellers list shows

Olympus management doesn’t seem very trusty particularly after the accounting scandal and the fact they were trying to sell Olympus imaging since 2012 after denying that, after having quarter after quarter of Olympus imaging loses
So I wouldn’t take that statement as reliable and kore as company PR the same thing happened with the Olympus 4/3 e-5 - didn’t sell well but they sure said it was doing well

I’ll try to get store data after the price drops and see how it’s doing after that

finally keep in mind generally speaking new models sell well during the first few weeks due to lent up demand that want them. It’s in the coMing months you get how it’s really doing.
at the Olympus authorized jig dealer hub over here the camera was just not moving The em5 mkiii moved some upon launch and later

gary0319 wrote:

SteveY80 wrote:

gary0319 wrote:

SteveY80 wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

The people that complain about size is because the options at the lower end that are smaller use hand me down old tech That just changed recently with em5.3, g100, em10mkiv and ep7 but just real relatively recently - and you can still argue they are a hit behind

no pdaf for em10.4 or ep7 for example

That's the problem I have with the current m4/3 lineup. The camera bodies with a design/size that really appeals to me are too limited and dumbed down.

But, if all the latest and greatest technology would be included in a smaller body, would you be willing to pay the same amount as the larger body, just to get that technology? I fear most would say no, actually just really wanting the same technology for a lower price.

So that would make a market of two, you and me, that would pay the freight.

I Would actually pay considerably more for a small but capable camera.

I'd certainly pay an extra $1000 for a GX9 with capabilities closer to the G9.

Obviously I don't know if there's enough demand to make a small but high end m43 camera viable.

Sony seem to have done quite well with the Rx100 series of compact cameras. They pack a lot of technology into a pocket sized camera and charge a premium price for it.

As I mentioned…. that makes two of us willing to pony up some cash for a premium small MILC camera. Maybe there would be more, but I suspect we are part of a very small group around here.

But, glad to know I’m not the only one….

I would also pay more for truly premium small body with high build quality, great VF.... I do think this is a niche market, but is it really more niche than Olympus' EM1X or even EM1iii...i'm not so sure...at least it may be a niche they don't play in today which would possibly draw additional users into m43. Olympus needs to expand its customer base

laikam wrote:

Sounds like victorav is trying to dig up the dead from the graveyard.

?

Small cameras need a clip on EVF for a viewfinder to be of a decent quality so they end up like a motorcycle with a sidecar. This negates the small and manoeuvrable aspect

I'm not sure if they need or it's just easier to design that way. Fuji xe4 is not much bigger then the ep7 and fits a decent evf...

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

absoluutbeginner wrote:

About Olympus camera lenses sizes and complaints .

I have the E-M10 ..small compact and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) with kit lens .

I have E-M5 something bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses ( normal and Pro ) with kit lens .

I have E-M1 series a bit more bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) .

I have E-M1X great camera for wildlife ... much more people are discovering the greatness of this camera after 2years .... (this E-M1X has been burned down from the start by stupid people ) , and i can put all m4/3 lenses on it (big and small) .

just missed this It should people darling - it just wasn’t selling and it seemed way too expensive at its size and sensor Just because people didn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are necessarily stupid people The sales at least at first prove the point - the camera wasn’t selling well

Contrary to opinion, EM1X was selling well when it debuted.

"We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well."

-Masanori Sako, Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy

https://phototrend.fr/2020/03/interview-olympus-masanori-sako-japon-2020/

Not what the sales they did on it , along store data shows plus Things like BcN/ Amazon/ bhpjoto best sellers list shows

What store data? I see none.

You can check the lists at BHPhoto, Amazon, BCN.  I have checked two major hubs of authorized Olympus camera sellers.

What I do see is Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy saying "We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well." How could sites you mention have sales data if Olympus does not share global sales figures...

Look up. IT's very simple- they simply list what's selling best by them. Those are big stores, they aren't small.

Olympus management doesn’t seem very trusty particularly after the accounting scandal and the fact they were trying to sell Olympus imaging since 2012 after denying that, after having quarter after quarter of Olympus imaging loses
So I wouldn’t take that statement as reliable and kore as company PR the same thing happened with the Olympus 4/3 e-5 - didn’t sell well but they sure said it was doing well

Speculation. Who has more access to sales data than Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy. His word vs whose...yours?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/masanori-sako-55582068

Where is your profile so I can see how you have inside information at OMDS...

They also told os that Olympus wouldn't sell. If you want to believe them on face value, go ahead.

I’ll try to get store data after the price drops and see how it’s doing after that

Get first full year data too for all markets, not smaller ones. In HK I was 46th on waiting list for first EM1X and waited 13 weeks for second EM1X.

The data I have of stores is not small market.

finally keep in mind generally speaking new models sell well during the first few weeks due to lent up demand that want them. It’s in the coMing months you get how it’s really doing.

He was reflecting on first full year of sales in interview. Not weeks.

That's fine, but as I said, this is a PR statement.  They told us Olympus Imaging would never sell- remember. I don't think much of any company is going to come forward with sales particularly the they could no longer need to put out financial reports.

at the Olympus authorized jig dealer hub over here the camera was just not moving The em5 mkiii moved some upon launch and later

Irrelevant.

Not irrelevant when it's a big dealer in the area. And I know two. But then you can check the sales info for yourself in the bigger stores as they have their biggest seller lists.

mostlyboringphotog wrote:

I have PEN-F and can use all m4/3rd lens.

I have A6300 and can use all E and EF lens.

I have D850 and can use all F lens.

So I think I got covered all sizes and formats.

Also, I still have Nikon 1 camera.

I really cannot understand the OP's point...

I think the OP is constrained by being an all out Olympus tools - owner photographer, while some others do not put on themselves such constraints

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

absoluutbeginner wrote:

About Olympus camera lenses sizes and complaints .

I have the E-M10 ..small compact and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) with kit lens .

I have E-M5 something bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses ( normal and Pro ) with kit lens .

I have E-M1 series a bit more bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) .

I have E-M1X great camera for wildlife ... much more people are discovering the greatness of this camera after 2years .... (this E-M1X has been burned down from the start by stupid people ) , and i can put all m4/3 lenses on it (big and small) .

just missed this It should people darling - it just wasn’t selling and it seemed way too expensive at its size and sensor Just because people didn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are necessarily stupid people The sales at least at first prove the point - the camera wasn’t selling well

Contrary to opinion, EM1X was selling well when it debuted.

"We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well."

-Masanori Sako, Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy

https://phototrend.fr/2020/03/interview-olympus-masanori-sako-japon-2020/

Not what the sales they did on it , along store data shows plus Things like BcN/ Amazon/ bhpjoto best sellers list shows

What store data? I see none.

You can check the lists at BHPhoto, Amazon, BCN. I have checked two major hubs of authorized Olympus camera sellers.

Does this list tell me units sold from Q1 2019 - Q1 2020?

No, but it does tell you relative to other models how popular in sales the model is.  You can connect the dots from there.

What I do see is Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy saying "We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well." How could sites you mention have sales data if Olympus does not share global sales figures...

Look up. IT's very simple- they simply list what's selling best by them. Those are big stores, they aren't small.

They do not report unit sales. How could sites you mention have sales data if Olympus does not share global sales figures...

See above.

Olympus management doesn’t seem very trusty particularly after the accounting scandal and the fact they were trying to sell Olympus imaging since 2012 after denying that, after having quarter after quarter of Olympus imaging loses
So I wouldn’t take that statement as reliable and kore as company PR the same thing happened with the Olympus 4/3 e-5 - didn’t sell well but they sure said it was doing well

Speculation. Who has more access to sales data than Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy. His word vs whose...yours?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/masanori-sako-55582068

Where is your profile so I can see how you have inside information at OMDS...

They also told os that Olympus wouldn't sell. If you want to believe them on face value, go ahead.

Olympus did not sell. One smaller division sold. Where did Masanori Sako say otherwise?

When I said "Olympus wouldn't sell" we are talking about the Olympus Imaging division. Olympus several times denied this was happening. Pretty much everyone in this forum knows that!  Biggest irony is they were looking to sell the division since 2012!

I’ll try to get store data after the price drops and see how it’s doing after that

Get first full year data too for all markets, not smaller ones. In HK I was 46th on waiting list for first EM1X and waited 13 weeks for second EM1X.

The data I have of stores is not small market.

What data? The data that Masanori Sako does not have, but you claim to? I find that very hard to believe.

No, this is quite simple actually.  You know some big authorized dealers/hubs in the area, and you have talked to some of the management because you have a friendly relationship with them.  They simply tell you the EM1X is simply not selling.  in contrast the EM5MKIII sold several already within the first two weeks.

Now, I re-iterate- I haven't tracked the EM1X data either by sales list or these stores since they did the big price drops.

Another big hint the EM1X is simply not moving is when Olympus USA did the offer of buying 3 pro expensive lenses and you get an EM1MKIII *or* an EM1X free.

Why would the EM1X being the significantly more expensive camera be bundled like that?  You connect all the dots with this data.

finally keep in mind generally speaking new models sell well during the first few weeks due to lent up demand that want them. It’s in the coMing months you get how it’s really doing.

He was reflecting on first full year of sales in interview. Not weeks.

That's fine, but as I said, this is a PR statement.

No, it was an interview with French journalist.

Yes, an interview by a company representative. That's part of PR (public relations).

They told us Olympus Imaging would never sell- remember. I don't think much of any company is going to come forward with sales particularly the they could no longer need to put out financial reports.

You keep saying "they". Where did Masanori Sako say otherwise?

They - Olympus the company when it wasn't being sold. There's several data on this, I am not sure why this is so surprising to you now.

at the Olympus authorized jig dealer hub over here the camera was just not moving The em5 mkiii moved some upon launch and later

Irrelevant.

Not irrelevant when it's a big dealer in the area. And I know two. But then you can check the sales info for yourself in the bigger stores as they have their biggest seller lists.

Who? How many units global over 12 months? You do not have access to such data. Pretending you do only beclown yourself.

It seems that you are missing the point of the data we have. You dont' need exact sales to know something is just not selling well.  Once again- and I re-iterate, I haven't tracked once the price came down. Maybe it's selling finally now.

Raist3d wrote:

First of all - the majority of all my calls on m43rds insecurity complex come by a sizable margin, by Olympus owners more than Lumix owners - and I am hardly the first one that notes the most vocal defensive m43rds owners are more in the Olympus camp, more than Lumix.

So you to ask this question tells me that you aren't really following what I write.

But second as for victorv- we are discussing in this sub thread the GMx as a consideration of what's available on the Panasonic side.

But if you mean the OP post - note that while the post kinda goes in that direction it's not really saying that there's no difference or "virtually indistinguishable difference" between m43rds and APSC/FF in an over justify attempt of m43rds as a system vs other system.

Finally- do note I did reply to the OP and questioning why the justification anyway- and pointed out flaws in the argument.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65350438

So yeah, not sure what exactly your objection is. I sure seem pretty consistent here.

Please PM me if you have more Q's.

Well, you got one thing right. I don't follow you, & I have zero intention of ever doing so. It's just that I have the misfortune  of stumbling over your gum flapping about some sort of insecurities, whenever I start to browse a thread where satisfied & happy m4/3 owners are expressing their satisfaction with their chosen toy/s.

And you can hardly claim the moral high ground, by saying you only follow the leader in this regard. Just curious as to why your post was so out of character for you, given the history you yourself even admit to.

tedolf wrote:

gary0319 wrote:

tedolf wrote:

victorav wrote:

tedolf wrote:

Why do you need so many cameras all in the same format?

This is a serious question.

Tedolph

Because one camera is unlikely to appeal to a wide enough audience.

How does that work if the audience is only one person?

Tedolph

Well, for me it works like this.

I have my E-M1 III for wildlife and sports, mated to either the 40-150 f/2.8 or PL 100-400.

I have the E-M5 III for all bugs and flowers, all around travel, and other stuff, mated with either the 14-150, 8mm fisheye, and 75-300. Nice compact, capable kit.

I have the E-M10 IV as my grab and go, toss it in the car kit with the 14-42 EZ and 40-150 plastic fantastic. Cheap, worry free, and more capable than it should be….and, did I mention, cheap

Finally I have my Pen F for days dedicated to black and white and JPEGs, a heavenly match with the 12-45 f/4.

could I get along with fewer, sure… But I also have a half dozen guitars for different types of music, and a dozen or so fishing rods for different types of fish.

I guess my question for you would be why did you bother buying an interchangeable lens camera if you don't want to change the lenses?

Tedolph

That's the major factor in all the complaining about the growth of m4/3 bodies, & why certain posters are very vocal in their demands for tiny cameras. You need them to be tiny and light, when you've got to carry 4 or 5 of them around, to avoid all those troublesome lens changes

Gnine wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

First of all - the majority of all my calls on m43rds insecurity complex come by a sizable margin, by Olympus owners more than Lumix owners - and I am hardly the first one that notes the most vocal defensive m43rds owners are more in the Olympus camp, more than Lumix.

So you to ask this question tells me that you aren't really following what I write.

But second as for victorv- we are discussing in this sub thread the GMx as a consideration of what's available on the Panasonic side.

But if you mean the OP post - note that while the post kinda goes in that direction it's not really saying that there's no difference or "virtually indistinguishable difference" between m43rds and APSC/FF in an over justify attempt of m43rds as a system vs other system.

Finally- do note I did reply to the OP and questioning why the justification anyway- and pointed out flaws in the argument.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65350438

So yeah, not sure what exactly your objection is. I sure seem pretty consistent here.

Please PM me if you have more Q's.

Well, you got one thing right. I don't follow you, & I have zero intention of ever doing so.

Then don't make things up! ;-). Because that's what you are doing.

It's just that I have the misfortune of stumbling over your gum flapping about some sort of insecurities, whenever I start to browse a thread where satisfied & happy m4/3 owners are expressing their satisfaction with their chosen toy/s.

That surely can't be true because there's plenty of happy owner threads that such term is not brought up. I will leave it to you, as an exercise as to why.

And you can hardly claim the moral high ground, by saying you only follow the leader in this regard.

I haven't made any claims of moral high ground. Simply pointing out flaws in your arguments by facts isn't a claim of moral high ground. Heck, we all make mistakes. I have admitted when I find such. There's no need to go personal.

Just curious as to why your post was so out of character for you, given the history you yourself even admit to.

Out of character? (!). Looks like you didn't even bother to read what I replied to the OP! And how would you know what my character is if you don't follow what I write by your own admission!

Why only count posts to put whatever narrative forward and not the whole? How else to explain the dichotomy of your reaction and reply when I have posted tips to improve the PenF use, tips for GM5, EM10MKIV and EP7 rather very positive impressions.

And I sure share quite a bit of the photography I do with - shock- m43rds Olympus equipment mostly.

Why you conveniently ignore that?

*shrugs* that's not my problem.

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

SUPER-ELMAR wrote:

Raist3d wrote:

absoluutbeginner wrote:

About Olympus camera lenses sizes and complaints .

I have the E-M10 ..small compact and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) with kit lens .

I have E-M5 something bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses ( normal and Pro ) with kit lens .

I have E-M1 series a bit more bigger and i can use all m4/3 lenses (normal and Pro) .

I have E-M1X great camera for wildlife ... much more people are discovering the greatness of this camera after 2years .... (this E-M1X has been burned down from the start by stupid people ) , and i can put all m4/3 lenses on it (big and small) .

just missed this It should people darling - it just wasn’t selling and it seemed way too expensive at its size and sensor Just because people didn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are necessarily stupid people The sales at least at first prove the point - the camera wasn’t selling well

Contrary to opinion, EM1X was selling well when it debuted.

"We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well."

-Masanori Sako, Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy

https://phototrend.fr/2020/03/interview-olympus-masanori-sako-japon-2020/

Not what the sales they did on it , along store data shows plus Things like BcN/ Amazon/ bhpjoto best sellers list shows

What store data? I see none.

You can check the lists at BHPhoto, Amazon, BCN. I have checked two major hubs of authorized Olympus camera sellers.

Does this list tell me units sold from Q1 2019 - Q1 2020?

No, but it does tell you relative to other models how popular in sales the model is. You can connect the dots from there.

No, there is no data in this statement. Popularity in one market at one finite point in time does not yield global sales units. If you are in America market that is not even top 3 for Olympus.

What I do see is Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy saying "We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well." How could sites you mention have sales data if Olympus does not share global sales figures...

Look up. IT's very simple- they simply list what's selling best by them. Those are big stores, they aren't small.

They do not report unit sales. How could sites you mention have sales data if Olympus does not share global sales figures...

See above.

Olympus management doesn’t seem very trusty particularly after the accounting scandal and the fact they were trying to sell Olympus imaging since 2012 after denying that, after having quarter after quarter of Olympus imaging loses
So I wouldn’t take that statement as reliable and kore as company PR the same thing happened with the Olympus 4/3 e-5 - didn’t sell well but they sure said it was doing well

Speculation. Who has more access to sales data than Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy. His word vs whose...yours?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/masanori-sako-55582068

Where is your profile so I can see how you have inside information at OMDS...

They also told os that Olympus wouldn't sell. If you want to believe them on face value, go ahead.

Olympus did not sell. One smaller division sold. Where did Masanori Sako say otherwise?

When I said "Olympus wouldn't sell" we are talking about the Olympus Imaging division. Olympus several times denied this was happening. Pretty much everyone in this forum knows that! Biggest irony is they were looking to sell the division since 2012!

Olympus has many thousand employees. Where did Masanori Sako say EM1X had anything other than "it is selling pretty well"?

I am afraid you are not following the premise under which I am basing the argument- Masanori is an Olympus employee and we have a track record of some statements being off like the sale.    Therefore the point is we can't simply trust at face value.

Basically what he's saying has to be taken with some salt given it's a company official statement, and the company we are talking about has been shown to have a track record to make statements that may not be true.

I’ll try to get store data after the price drops and see how it’s doing after that

Get first full year data too for all markets, not smaller ones. In HK I was 46th on waiting list for first EM1X and waited 13 weeks for second EM1X.

The data I have of stores is not small market.

What data? The data that Masanori Sako does not have, but you claim to? I find that very hard to believe.

No, this is quite simple actually. You know some big authorized dealers/hubs in the area, and you have talked to some of the management because you have a friendly relationship with them.

No names, no sources, no data. You can make up anything you like, it does make it real data.

I gave you some places you can check already.  You should go to your nearest authorized Olympus dealer and have a chat.  One big hub that sells a lot of camera equipment is in Berkely, the other in LA.

They simply tell you the EM1X is simply not selling. in contrast the EM5MKIII sold several already within the first two weeks.

What tells you? We have a journalist asking Senior Manager, Global Marketing Strategy saying on record "We don't share the sales figures for the OM-D E-M1X, but it is selling pretty well." How could you have sales data if Olympus does not share sales figures...

See above about company statements.

Now, I re-iterate- I haven't tracked the EM1X data either by sales list or these stores since they did the big price drops.

Tracked who? How? You have knowledge of every store in every market with every unit sale every day for 12 months?

Tracked by sales list (as I just said- that means BCN, Amazon, BhPhoto sales lists), or by asking again those big hubs how is it going - since the price drops.

Another big hint the EM1X is simply not moving is when Olympus USA did the offer of buying 3 pro expensive lenses and you get an EM1MKIII *or* an EM1X free.

This interview is reflection on first year on market. Promo happened later and required huge spend to get camera. Margin on lenses paid for cameras.

Yes, and as I pointed above, I am saying we can't just take it at face value given the company has recently made statements that were not true.

Why would the EM1X being the significantly more expensive camera be bundled like that? You connect all the dots with this data.

To move lenses. It is an incentive like every manufacturer offer.

Yes except you don't put a clearly more expensive camera, the EM1X at the same give-away price as the EM1MKIII.  This highlights something has gone off with the EM1X.  If the EM1X was so wanted, they would still give it in such way so that you still pay more than the EM1MKIII.  That's the point. I am not the only one who say this.

finally keep in mind generally speaking new models sell well during the first few weeks due to lent up demand that want them. It’s in the coMing months you get how it’s really doing.

He was reflecting on first full year of sales in interview. Not weeks.

That's fine, but as I said, this is a PR statement.

No, it was an interview with French journalist.

Yes, an interview by a company representative. That's part of PR (public relations).

It was not a PR statement prepared by the company. It was an answer in response to a journalist question during an interview.

An interview by a company representative is PR.

They told us Olympus Imaging would never sell- remember. I don't think much of any company is going to come forward with sales particularly the they could no longer need to put out financial reports.

You keep saying "they". Where did Masanori Sako say otherwise?

They - Olympus the company when it wasn't being sold. There's several data on this, I am not sure why this is so surprising to you now.

What data suggests Masanori Sako say otherwise? You continue to dodge the question.

I didn't! I explained to you that you can check best sellers lists over the year for BCN, BHPhoto, Amazon and a few others.  Check it is up to you.

at the Olympus authorized jig dealer hub over here the camera was just not moving The em5 mkiii moved some upon launch and later

Irrelevant.

Not irrelevant when it's a big dealer in the area. And I know two. But then you can check the sales info for yourself in the bigger stores as they have their biggest seller lists.

Who? How many units global over 12 months? You do not have access to such data. Pretending you do only beclown yourself.

It seems that you are missing the point of the data we have. You dont' need exact sales to know something is just not selling well. Once again- and I re-iterate, I haven't tracked once the price came down. Maybe it's selling finally now.

1. You don't reveal any data

Yes, the data that it is NOT selling. Like at all. Zero.

2. Masanori Sako has exact sales data...do you?

The question here is- do we believe him? He has data. Did he speak truthfully? The company representatives said Olympus wouldn't sell the Imaging division, yet it did. Worse- they were looking for a buyer since 2012.

3. This interview was before any price reduction. First price reduction occurred at 18m on market. This interview was at 12m. Whether or not it is moving volume now is unknown. Unless you have inside data leaked on volume and pricing?

See above.