Canon M50 mark II eye-AF better than M6 mark II?

jkcz wrote:

After shooting a friend's M50ii over the weekend I can testify that the Eye AF is better than what I am used to from my M6ii. The smallest AF box in Eye/Face+Tracking mode is smaller than on the M6ii, stickiness is also better and it just seems to have a higher tracking focus refresh rate (is that a thing?) which gives you the impression that it is tracking smoother and more confidently. I haven't examined the results too closely yet but when I was comparing the 2 cameras I had a zoom on the M50ii and the 32mm prime on the M6ii - so a theoretical advantage for the M6ii from the lens side of things. I really was impressed and now the only question is can we convince Canon to give us a firmware update to bring the M6ii's performance in line with the M50ii? What's the most effective way to get the point across?

After using the M50ii I can really recommend it as a perfect entry level ILC, performance wise I feel it's definitely a step above the original M50. A few cons vs the M6ii were notably worse battery life (maybe because of IS on vs no lens IS the M6ii) and obviously less controls - found myself fighting EV comp a couple times. Also the clip on EVF of the M6ii seemed to be a bit better - not sure if it was just not being as cramped or if the display really was better but in general a more pleasant experience. I didn't get much quiet time with them side by side, was more of a rushed shoot (used as a second body for an event so the focus was shooting and not comparing).

They could definitely (upgrade the firmware for the M6 Mark II; they are both DIGIC8 with DPAF). The fact they haven't is interesting.

Considering they haven't though, begs the question perhaps Canon is holding unto said firmware upgrade for an upcoming model? This is pretty common for firmware upgrades to get passed to the successor and not the predecessor. The M50 Mark II itself is a perfect example as Canon could pass it to the M50 Mark I for that matter.

I still hold out hope Canon may do a M5 Mark II. I'm not holding my breath for it though as some folks here have, but I think eventually. Eventually being maybe a year and a half from now. That's a long time btw.

RLight wrote:

They could definitely (upgrade the firmware for the M6 Mark II; they are both DIGIC8 with DPAF).

+1 They absolutely could.

The fact they haven't is interesting.

Unfortunately it’s par for the course.

Considering they haven't though, begs the question perhaps Canon is holding unto said firmware upgrade for an upcoming model?

That is what they like to do.

This is pretty common for firmware upgrades to get passed to the successor and not the predecessor.

Right.  It’s a way to pull in more sales/interest in the new model.

The M50 Mark II itself is a perfect example as Canon could pass it to the M50 Mark I for that matter.

That’s how it’s always worked with their DSLRs too.  With the notable exception being the 7D’s (very late) firmware and feature update.

I still hold out hope Canon may do a M5 Mark II.

Once Canon has filled out the lower end of the R line, it would only make sense to do an M5ii.  I highly doubt that we’d see IBIS though, as I believe Canon will always keep IBIS a point of separation between the two lines.

I'm not holding my breath for it though as some folks here have, but I think eventually. Eventually being maybe a year and a half from now. That's a long time btw.

Agree, that would be the minimum time frame.

That’s why I think it’s wise to take the plunge and benefit from the M6ii’s massive capability set right now, instead of missing out on it for the years ahead.  I do not BS people when I state that I can shoot anything >on< the planet with it!!  

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RLight wrote:

jkcz wrote:

After shooting a friend's M50ii over the weekend I can testify that the Eye AF is better than what I am used to from my M6ii. The smallest AF box in Eye/Face+Tracking mode is smaller than on the M6ii, stickiness is also better and it just seems to have a higher tracking focus refresh rate (is that a thing?) which gives you the impression that it is tracking smoother and more confidently. I haven't examined the results too closely yet but when I was comparing the 2 cameras I had a zoom on the M50ii and the 32mm prime on the M6ii - so a theoretical advantage for the M6ii from the lens side of things. I really was impressed and now the only question is can we convince Canon to give us a firmware update to bring the M6ii's performance in line with the M50ii? What's the most effective way to get the point across?

After using the M50ii I can really recommend it as a perfect entry level ILC, performance wise I feel it's definitely a step above the original M50. A few cons vs the M6ii were notably worse battery life (maybe because of IS on vs no lens IS the M6ii) and obviously less controls - found myself fighting EV comp a couple times. Also the clip on EVF of the M6ii seemed to be a bit better - not sure if it was just not being as cramped or if the display really was better but in general a more pleasant experience. I didn't get much quiet time with them side by side, was more of a rushed shoot (used as a second body for an event so the focus was shooting and not comparing).

They could definitely (upgrade the firmware for the M6 Mark II; they are both DIGIC8 with DPAF). The fact they haven't is interesting.

Maybe if a lot of users contact them with the same request they will. Do you have an address or a way to leave them a request where they will actually read or consider it?

Considering they haven't though, begs the question perhaps Canon is holding unto said firmware upgrade for an upcoming model? This is pretty common for firmware upgrades to get passed to the successor and not the predecessor. The M50 Mark II itself is a perfect example as Canon could pass it to the M50 Mark I for that matter.

I still hold out hope Canon may do a M5 Mark II. I'm not holding my breath for it though as some folks here have, but I think eventually. Eventually being maybe a year and a half from now. That's a long time btw.

Dareshooter wrote:

jkcz wrote:

RLight wrote:

jkcz wrote:

After shooting a friend's M50ii over the weekend I can testify that the Eye AF is better than what I am used to from my M6ii. The smallest AF box in Eye/Face+Tracking mode is smaller than on the M6ii, stickiness is also better and it just seems to have a higher tracking focus refresh rate (is that a thing?) which gives you the impression that it is tracking smoother and more confidently. I haven't examined the results too closely yet but when I was comparing the 2 cameras I had a zoom on the M50ii and the 32mm prime on the M6ii - so a theoretical advantage for the M6ii from the lens side of things. I really was impressed and now the only question is can we convince Canon to give us a firmware update to bring the M6ii's performance in line with the M50ii? What's the most effective way to get the point across?

After using the M50ii I can really recommend it as a perfect entry level ILC, performance wise I feel it's definitely a step above the original M50. A few cons vs the M6ii were notably worse battery life (maybe because of IS on vs no lens IS the M6ii) and obviously less controls - found myself fighting EV comp a couple times. Also the clip on EVF of the M6ii seemed to be a bit better - not sure if it was just not being as cramped or if the display really was better but in general a more pleasant experience. I didn't get much quiet time with them side by side, was more of a rushed shoot (used as a second body for an event so the focus was shooting and not comparing).

They could definitely (upgrade the firmware for the M6 Mark II; they are both DIGIC8 with DPAF). The fact they haven't is interesting.

Maybe if a lot of users contact them with the same request they will. Do you have an address or a way to leave them a request where they will actually read or consider it?

Address is Santa Claus, North Pole

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Considering they haven't though, begs the question perhaps Canon is holding unto said firmware upgrade for an upcoming model? This is pretty common for firmware upgrades to get passed to the successor and not the predecessor. The M50 Mark II itself is a perfect example as Canon could pass it to the M50 Mark I for that matter.

I still hold out hope Canon may do a M5 Mark II. I'm not holding my breath for it though as some folks here have, but I think eventually. Eventually being maybe a year and a half from now. That's a long time btw.

Believe it or not, I got a response regarding the feedback I left at https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home

Just need to open the link, click Feedback in the top left corner, select Product and leave them a message. This was their reply:

"Dear Customer,

Thank you for taking the time to provide your input; we continuously try to improve our products and service. I will gladly forward your recommendation for improvements.

As a Canon customer your satisfaction with our products and service is very important to us; we value your comments and look forward to assisting you in the future.

Sincerely,

Canon Customer Relations"

So yes, might take a few more users leaving similar feedback but at least they say they listen and will forward the request.