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RBEmerson
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TG-6 cosistenly overexposus

I bought a TG-6 to replace a Nikon AW300 - point&shoot. The TG-6 is consistently over-exposing. I have it spot metering and still no help. I stopped down, which obviously improves things. If it were my camera, I'd tweak the compensation to taste.

It's not my camera, it's my wife's and she has 0.00% percent in tweaking with knobs, menus, or asking me to do the tweaking. She wants point&shoot.

Barring a resolution, this puppy may be on its way back to B&H.

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olrett Contributing Member • Posts: 678
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True, it overexposes. Consistently. Read about that AFTER I noticed it in mine.

I haven't had it long enough, so I am going to give it some more time, assuming I am just inexperienced. But frankly, if I had known what I know now, I wouldn't have bought it.

Other reasons:

a) b) and c) Lack of a viewfinder. I see NOTHING in bright sunlight OR when overcast, for that matter. Got one of those cone-pyramids, but it defeats the purpose of having a small compact.

d) As a consequence: lousy pictures.

e) I don't dive anymore, so its underwater features are lost on me. Might only want to try it out inside a fishtank...

f) Whenever I want to use some light (FD or LD), I have to have lots of pockets or hold that which I have removed in the other hand.

Not much fun, so far.

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Can't you set it up for her?

Set for -0.5 stop exposure compensation in P mode. Tell her to leave it in P mode. Won't that work?

...or maybe she won't even notice the overexposure? It's a shame to ditch a great camera for something like that.

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Sure, dropping the EV by a half stop fixes the daytime problem in P mode. Doesn't do much for Scene mode (already "threatening" to use it). IMHO Scene mode is missing a syllable in front of it: "ob" as in obscene, but I'm just being elitist and snarky.

Strictly speaking, any camera in the bridge or point and shoot range should give good exposures out of the box, no fiddling needed.

Can I "rescue" any exposure with PhotoLab 4 (currently use it and like it - d***ed if I'll rent anything from Adobe). Again, this is stupid. My wife wants to point, shoot, show off what she got.

Run the exposure through PL4 and put back on the camera's chip. Ummm... maybe not.

So far, two respondents out of two report overexposure out the box. Absent missing some thing really obvious, this thing goes back. Which annoys me no end, because Nikon, et al. don't support RAW in any format at all. And RAW was part of the tipping point for TG-6

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Past all of that, I finally had a chance to shoot some fine-detailed fabric (looking for "show me resolution in the real world") and even at 100% (not "pixel peeking") I'm not impressed.

The initial exposures of some hydrangeas (bush with very colorful blossom clusters) are equally ...what else?... underwhelming. Tweaking in "post-production" rescued the color and contrast. Unsharp masking or other sharpening tools can help with the fuzz, but, again, point, shoot, repair in post, return to camera? I think not.

Understand I'm not someone who shoots with something mirrorless, using a lens inventory costing more than the GNP's of El Salvador, Costa Rica, and Nicaragua combined. I use a Sony RX-10 IV bridge camera, hardly bleeding edge anything.

Overall, the TG-6 has nice features for someone like myself, but the zoom is limited, there's the exposure thing, so, generally point and shoot this thing is not.

I just talked myself into getting an RMA on Monday.

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olrett Contributing Member • Posts: 678
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>I finally had a chance to shoot some fine-detailed fabric and even at 100% I'm not impressed.

Indeed, I got this camera for the macro features. I didn't expect crystal-clear, hi-res full-frame-level image quality. But what I get out of it is pretty dismal.

I'm afraid this camera is only good for the odd snapshot when taking the dogs to the beach or swimming in the river, period.

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Digging around, in other sources, for comments about the overexposure issue with the TG-6, this seems to be a problem with more than the TG-6. Why this is so with any one camera escapes me. Pull out the camera, stuff a battery and chip in it, power up, pull the trigger and a bleached out image shouldn't be result.

Getting the basis for a really satisfying image doesn't come without some effort behind the viewfinder. Even then, assuming no further bit fiddling is needed after pushing the button is ... um... wishful thinking.

But open box, point, shoot, oooohhh and ahhhh isn't unreasonable to expect.

[End of vein bulging rant]

So. "They all do it" isn't so far from wrong.

Regarding the miserable RAW image of fabric, it remains miserable. But...

I ran it through DxO's PureRAW, which has generally given good results with my RAW exposures. It made an appallingly bad hash of the sample from the TG-6. The problem isn't the TG-6's, it's PureRAW's fault (guess what forum will shortly see a vein bulger from me). Other RAW files, including re-shooting the original exposure, are not too bad. Hardly mind-numbingly great art, but, for intended purpose, acceptable.

The one loose end, and I don't think there's a fix for the problem, is needing to tweak the EV as conditions change. If I were using the camera, meh... ain't no thing. For Chris, it's a thing. Guess I've some training and convincing to do.

* * * *

I'm mildly amused to see "microscope mode" present in a point&shoot. Macro support is OK, I guess, but, again, not my idea of a point and shoot activity. I could be talked into thinking these modes are included as much for bragging rights as anything. If I needed/wanted to photograph teeny, tiny details, it sure wouldn't be with a TG-6 or similar.

* * * *

At this point, given the chance the camera could accidentally go for a swim, or auger in from 5' up, and US Southwest is dusty as all get-out, I guess I'll stay with TG-6 after all. But it sure isn't what I expected to find when I opened the box. And, this time, I ain't sayin' it like it's a good thang.

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If I could correct the spelling of this thread's title, I'd be on it in a New York minute.

"Overexposus" is purely a typo. Seeing it every time I visit this thread is making me unhappy enough to make me want to tease a fat kid with a Hostess Twinkie.

Now you know.

Obsessively yours,

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olrett Contributing Member • Posts: 678
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> not my idea of a point and shoot activity.

Mine, though. I thought a rugged camera advertised for hikers would fit the bill. When out and about with the dogs, we should all be able to have a good time, which for them is sniffing and playing and running and swimming, and for me it is taking the odd video of them but mainly snapshots of bugs and plants along the way; and while I don't require super-duper IQ  (just good enough to be able to identify the species later at home will do), I'm not getting that. My regular camera with a 30 mm macro lens is much more point-and-shoot than the TG-6.

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RBEmerson wrote:

I bought a TG-6 to replace a Nikon AW300 - point&shoot. The TG-6 is consistently over-exposing. I have it spot metering and still no help. I stopped down, which obviously improves things. If it were my camera, I'd tweak the compensation to taste.

In most cases, spot metering should be avoided if the user is inexperienced. I dont understand your "stopped down" comment. There's no manual mode. Using aperture priority mode only means that shutter speed and ISO are controlled by the camera. It doesn't change metering of the system. If it's inaccurate, it will remain inaccurate.

Small sensor cameras tend to push the exposure in order to maximize dynamic range. The TG-6 definitely falls into that category

You have a lot of complaints about the camera but haven't posted a single example. You would receive more informed responses if we can see what you're talking about.

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My wife wants a rugged almost literally point, shoot, move along. The TG-6 simple isn't doing that for her. This in conditions that most cameras would a no-brainer. The histogram shows bleaching going on, and doesn't correct from it. Weird.

Anyway, although I thought we'd keep it after all, doing a back to back with the previous camera (Nikon AW-130), the ancient Nikon delivered consistently better exposures. All in JPEG only. Feh.

Bottom line, I've started packing the thing up to go back to B&H.

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I bought a TG-6 to replace a Nikon AW300 - point&shoot. The TG-6 is consistently over-exposing. I have it spot metering and still no help. I stopped down, which obviously improves things. If it were my camera, I'd tweak the compensation to taste.

It's not my camera, it's my wife's and she has 0.00% percent in tweaking with knobs, menus, or asking me to do the tweaking. She wants point&shoot.

Barring a resolution, this puppy may be on its way back to B&H.

(Yes, I printed up the full PDF manual, Yes, I know how to get IMHO at least very good exposures - see .sig for details. <---humor, mostly)

The TG-6 has many settings for a camera in its class. I'm curious to know what settings you had and if this negatively impacted the image. If you can post original jpgs with exif data, we can check this.

I've taken countless images with the TG-6 (many when kayaking). By default in sunny conditions, yes...the TG-6 over-exposes. But a simple fix is to step down the exposure.

Can you do this in auto? No...auto is evil. Can you do this in AP? Not easily...because then the TG-6 assigns the top dial to aperture instead of exposure...and you have to change exposure in the "quick" menu which isn't quick.

The proper solution is to use P (program) (or C1/C2). A good option to use a settings recipe that works for you. The following is my TG-6 settings recipe for my OOC Jpgs:

  • Use 1 second delay for crisp images
  • i-enhance > low for blue skies
  • Turn off "keep colors warm"
  • In some situations I will use custom WB (the TG6 errors on the warm side)
  • I like to slightly under-expose to maintain saturation. TG-6 under-exposed OOC jpgs respond very well to exposure compensation (eg Gimp/Photoshop)
  • Turn noise reduction to low...normal destroys tree leaves
  • I wouldn't worry about aperture control, as in my experience manual temperature settings don't help that much.
  • Turn the levels on for nicely aligned images
  • Gradation normal (aka off)
  • 4:3 aspect ratio to prevent cropping

My best hypothesis is you may be disabling the built in light filter by when using aperture priority (a common mistake).  The backlit sensor on the TG-6 is very sensitive and in bright conditions, it really needs to apply these "sunglasses" to protect images from being blown out.  This really isn't an aperture change, so it confusing that Olympus put such a setting there.  Normally when shooting program in sunny conditions, this isn't a problem...as Olympus almost always (from my experience) applies this filter for sunny outdoor scenes.

Overall I'm happy with the TG-6. It's not a perfect camera but serves a good niche and with the right settings produces good images.  For macro I would argue it can compete with and surpass some of the big boys for results.

The following are some sample TG-6 images I've taken:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/162931725@N08/sets/72157709545430657/?layout=justified

https://www.flickr.com/photos/162931725@N08/sets/72157710712252142/?layout=justified

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Very impressive! However, the key point of this issue is:

"It's not my camera, it's my wife's, and she has 0.00% percent [interest] in tweaking with knobs, menus, or asking me to do the tweaking. She wants point&shoot."

Why a TG-6 at all? The previous camera, Nikon AW130, was a hurry-up purchase to replace a Canon P&S that was very not waterproof, as a brief dunk in a Bahamian stream proved.

The problem with the Nikon, which she likes, probably comes from outgassing from plastic bits in the camera. That's coated some of the optics. Not Good - think lens smeared with fingerprints, only inside the camera body.

The TG-6 was selected, in great measure, based on DPR's review, with the ability to shoot RAW a big deal for me. I'm the one who'll get asked to print something from what my wife pointed to and shot. From JPEG and needing cropping? Hello, RAW!

So that's "why a TG-6".

* * * *

As to settings used, the factory defaults except: enabling RAW, trying spot metering. I shot with P mode, but tried Auto and Scene. All three simply overexpose. In P mode, changing the EV "cures" overexposure, and restores saturation. See above re: knob twiddling.

Bottom line: out of the box, with 0.0 EV, scenes are consistently overexposed. That displeases the camera's owner. End of camera, end of story.

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Enders Shadow wrote:

RBEmerson wrote:

I bought a TG-6 to replace a Nikon AW300 - point&shoot. The TG-6 is consistently over-exposing. I have it spot metering and still no help. I stopped down, which obviously improves things. If it were my camera, I'd tweak the compensation to taste.

In most cases, spot metering should be avoided if the user is inexperienced. I dont understand your "stopped down" comment. There's no manual mode. Using aperture priority mode only means that shutter speed and ISO are controlled by the camera. It doesn't change metering of the system. If it's inaccurate, it will remain inaccurate.

Small sensor cameras tend to push the exposure in order to maximize dynamic range. The TG-6 definitely falls into that category

You have a lot of complaints about the camera but haven't posted a single example. You would receive more informed responses if we can see what you're talking about.

Spot metering was tried as "well, the default meter doesn't work, try spot metering in case it clears up the problem". It didn't.

In P mode, go to -0.5 EV (give or take) and the problem of overexposure ends. Fine, I tend to leave -0.3 EV in my RX-10. But... and this the part that matters, my wife doesn't want to mess around with any knobs, She wants point&shoot at its purest. See my other recent post about "why a TG-6 at all".

Actually, "lots of complaints" isn't quite right. I've got one complaint, and that's overexposure. It's hard to miss when more than parts of highlights bleach out, and saturation is missing in action. The histogram in the camera, and in PhotoLab 4, are pushed to the right, and there's a spike at and near 255.

We did a side-by-side this morning. The Nikon(*) image was well exposed with no user intervention. The TG-6 was bleached out with no user intervention.

Anyway, at this point, the matter's moot. Chris said send it back. Back it goes.

(*) I mistakenly wrote "AW300" - the correct model is "AW130". My error.

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smithaa02 Regular Member • Posts: 252
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RBEmerson wrote:

Very impressive! However, the key point of this issue is:

"It's not my camera, it's my wife's, and she has 0.00% percent [interest] in tweaking with knobs, menus, or asking me to do the tweaking. She wants point&shoot."

Why a TG-6 at all? The previous camera, Nikon AW130, was a hurry-up purchase to replace a Canon P&S that was very not waterproof, as a brief dunk in a Bahamian stream proved.

The problem with the Nikon, which she likes, probably comes from outgassing from plastic bits in the camera. That's coated some of the optics. Not Good - think lens smeared with fingerprints, only inside the camera body.

The TG-6 was selected, in great measure, based on DPR's review, with the ability to shoot RAW a big deal for me. I'm the one who'll get asked to print something from what my wife pointed to and shot. From JPEG and needing cropping? Hello, RAW!

So that's "why a TG-6".

It's interesting that you mention the AW130...I owned both its predecessor and successor (AW120 and W300) and shot them a ton.  I got the TG-6 has a replacement for the W300 and was happy I did so.

The optics on Nikon's rugged series are not good.  The TG-6 despite having less MP (12 vs 16) IMO has a more effective real life resolution.

Also its options are much too limited.  There is no quick exposure dial on the AW series like there is for Olympus.  That drove me nuts plowing through menus on the Nikon simply to change exposure...it's ironic, but the TG's quick exposure dial is one big reasons I prefer Olympus over Nikon for rugged shooting.

Also Nikon also didn't "stick" their shutter delay (2 second min), while Olympus (1 second min) does which is also huge.

I'm surprised you didn't have exposure issues with the Nikon.  Often the Nikon's default exposure for ideal sunny conditions (sun to your back) was good...but it was quite bad in overcast conditions or when taking pictures into the sun.

Both cameras do absolutely expose differently.  Olympus (not just the Tough series) prefer bright vibrant images with the midtones on the high side for OOC jpgs.  Nikon JPGs prefers more safer/conservative midtone exposures that preserve sautation/blowouts, but at a SIGNICANT cost to contrast.  Olympus images are high ceiling/low floor...while Nikon images are low ceiling, high floor.  Olympus jpgs can wow you if you get the settings right, but yes are more apt to have over-exposed upper midtones.  I think the trade-off is worth it.

Now the Nikon rugged series isn't all evil.  It's video stabilization is better than the Tough series.  Also there are cases where it is imperative you under-expose the midtones (like nice sky shots) and for that Nikon does better.   I get can get deeper/bluer/richer skies with the NIkon, but Olympus is IMO better at everything else...it's images just look more vibrant and have more "pop" to them.

* * * *

As to settings used, the factory defaults except: enabling RAW, trying spot metering. I shot with P mode, but tried Auto and Scene. All three simply overexpose. In P mode, changing the EV "cures" overexposure, and restores saturation. See above re: knob twiddling.

Bottom line: out of the box, with 0.0 EV, scenes are consistently overexposed. That displeases the camera's owner. End of camera, end of story.

Spot metering is weird.  Its only really useful if you have a small dark subject outline by a much brighter, larger and less interesting background.  Like a spider against a sky.  It will cause more exposure problems than alleviate if used casually for every day scenes.

For exposure it's important to differentiate between exposure for the entire images and parts of the image.  Often even TG-6 images that are "over-exposed" will have properly black blacks.  Often the problem more precisely is that the TG-6 over exposes the upper mid-tones (intentionally...it's a strategic tradeoff between contrast and saturation).

But the Tough series has a great way to deal with exposure issues with its quick exposure dial...I'm not sure if ANY other rugged compacts have this.  Olympus is fantastic about also saving custom settings.  You could have set a nice custom settings recipe for your companion (including a default -.3 exposure for ALL images) for P or C1, then handed it off to her and she would have been great in most cases.

I do agree however that Olympus should make this easier for new users.  Their auto is just awful.  It frequently uses i-enhance high (which has too much saturation/contrast).  It's default noise reduction is also way too aggressive which kills detail.  Lastly, disabling the default exposure dial for auto is just stupid from Olympus...sadly many TG-6 users may never figure out what that dial even does or why it is so important.

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@smithaa02

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

As I think I said earlier, the AW130 was a rush purchase, literally. We were cruising the Bahamas, and while in the Berries (small chain of cays halfway between the north end of Andros and south end of Abaco - recommend the visit, but not by cruise ship - Little Stirrup is now Orlando East - Grrr...), Chris dropped her Canon off the dinghy ("I don't need a strap, they just get tangled up" - famous last words). It drowned, we went back to the US for other reasons, sprinted through Best Buy, and jumped on the plane to, where we left our boat, the Exumas. That's why she has an AW130.

Optics mess aside, the AW130's not a bad camera for someone who wants usable pictures to show to family and friends. The internal charging failed - no biggie, I believe in spare batteries, anyway. Otherwise, it's done what it was hired to do.

Ultimately the optics died, and here we are, TG-6 in hand (well, was in hand).

I'm waiting for the RMA number, and the TG-6 is re-boxed. Somebody will get an "open box special" with the added feature of a glass cover over the scratch-prone (as per reviews) screen - the cover went on shortly after the camera arrived.

(Anybody want two remaining covers - #1's on the camera, the JJS lens cap, and two batteries with two-bay charger - from BM? PM me if interested)

What does a 0.0 EV exposure look like? See a sample, and a (I think) somewhat under-exposed exposure of the same hydrangea. The colors are close to right, but somewhat over-saturated. YMMV

Keep in mind, all of this very much experimentation with how the camera does or doesn't meet Chris' needs.

0.0 EV

-1.3 EV

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smithaa02 wrote:

RBEmerson wrote:

I bought a TG-6 to replace a Nikon AW300 - point&shoot. The TG-6 is consistently over-exposing. I have it spot metering and still no help. I stopped down, which obviously improves things. If it were my camera, I'd tweak the compensation to taste.

It's not my camera, it's my wife's and she has 0.00% percent in tweaking with knobs, menus, or asking me to do the tweaking. She wants point&shoot.

Barring a resolution, this puppy may be on its way back to B&H.

(Yes, I printed up the full PDF manual, Yes, I know how to get IMHO at least very good exposures - see .sig for details. <---humor, mostly)

The TG-6 has many settings for a camera in its class. I'm curious to know what settings you had and if this negatively impacted the image. If you can post original jpgs with exif data, we can check this.

I've taken countless images with the TG-6 (many when kayaking). By default in sunny conditions, yes...the TG-6 over-exposes. But a simple fix is to step down the exposure.

Can you do this in auto? No...auto is evil. Can you do this in AP? Not easily...because then the TG-6 assigns the top dial to aperture instead of exposure...and you have to change exposure in the "quick" menu which isn't quick.

The proper solution is to use P (program) (or C1/C2). A good option to use a settings recipe that works for you. The following is my TG-6 settings recipe for my OOC Jpgs:

  • Use 1 second delay for crisp images
  • i-enhance > low for blue skies
  • Turn off "keep colors warm"
  • In some situations I will use custom WB (the TG6 errors on the warm side)
  • I like to slightly under-expose to maintain saturation. TG-6 under-exposed OOC jpgs respond very well to exposure compensation (eg Gimp/Photoshop)
  • Turn noise reduction to low...normal destroys tree leaves
  • I wouldn't worry about aperture control, as in my experience manual temperature settings don't help that much.
  • Turn the levels on for nicely aligned images
  • Gradation normal (aka off)
  • 4:3 aspect ratio to prevent cropping

My best hypothesis is you may be disabling the built in light filter by when using aperture priority (a common mistake). The backlit sensor on the TG-6 is very sensitive and in bright conditions, it really needs to apply these "sunglasses" to protect images from being blown out. This really isn't an aperture change, so it confusing that Olympus put such a setting there. Normally when shooting program in sunny conditions, this isn't a problem...as Olympus almost always (from my experience) applies this filter for sunny outdoor scenes.

Overall I'm happy with the TG-6. It's not a perfect camera but serves a good niche and with the right settings produces good images. For macro I would argue it can compete with and surpass some of the big boys for results.

The following are some sample TG-6 images I've taken:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/162931725@N08/sets/72157709545430657/?layout=justified

https://www.flickr.com/photos/162931725@N08/sets/72157710712252142/?layout=justified

Please can you explain the part about the "light filter" ~ what light filter 'setting' are you talking about???

There is no such setting mentioned in the manual....only Noise Filter is mentioned!

TIA

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Please can you explain the part about the "light filter" ~ what light filter 'setting' are you talking about???

There is no such setting mentioned in the manual....only Noise Filter is mentioned!

TIA

Olympus calls it an aperture setting, but it's not that. When you are zoomed out there are three aperture settings... F2, F2.8 and F8. F8 is really F2.8 + plus the light filter. The idea is to reduce very bright light to make it easier for the sensor...proverbial sunglasses so to speak. Although I am curious why they just don't use very fast shutter speeds for bright light. If you are on aperture priority you can set this manually (F8) or disable it manually (F2 or F2.8). Else, Olympus will set this for you.

Backscatter actually posted a video online where they used a high speed camera recording (from the outside) when the filter was being applied.

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Thanks

I had to look up "Backscatter" and found a good few of TG related videos................I would welcome knowing which video and the time stamp to watch the relevant part

FWIW I tried to see what would happen:-

Zoom fully at the wide end
Centre of frame my desklamp with its white painted interior surface (NB not pointing directly at the lamp but the white surface.
@ f2.8, 1/50s and ISO 200 the light is so over exposed I have the blinkies.
@ f8.0, 1/25s and ISO 800 only the slightest of blinkies around the edge of the shade.

FWIW the Histogram for both has the same "distribution" but with some minor variations in the peak heights mainly on the left hand side.

So, it does seem that something is going on.....but what is unclear.  And why only apparently at the wide end of the zoom???

Note @ I only ever shoot raw so the rear screen is showing the embedded JPEG so when I get the test shots on the PC and examine them with Fast Raw Viewer it will be interesting to what (if anything?) is revealed about the raw file histogram extc

So, if you can point me to the video and the time point that would be great....as I hate a mystery

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smithaa02 Regular Member • Posts: 252
Re: TG-6 cosistenly overexposus

Box Brownie wrote:

Thanks

I had to look up "Backscatter" and found a good few of TG related videos................I would welcome knowing which video and the time stamp to watch the relevant part

https://youtu.be/x6sDWBxXM4k?t=1004

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RBEmerson
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Re: TG-6 cosistenly overexposus

Box Brownie wrote:

smithaa02 wrote:

RBEmerson wrote:

I bought a TG-6 to replace a Nikon AW300 - point&shoot. The TG-6 is consistently over-exposing. I have it spot metering and still no help. I stopped down, which obviously improves things. If it were my camera, I'd tweak the compensation to taste.

It's not my camera, it's my wife's and she has 0.00% percent in tweaking with knobs, menus, or asking me to do the tweaking. She wants point&shoot.

Barring a resolution, this puppy may be on its way back to B&H.

(Yes, I printed up the full PDF manual, Yes, I know how to get IMHO at least very good exposures - see .sig for details. <---humor, mostly)

The TG-6 has many settings for a camera in its class. I'm curious to know what settings you had and if this negatively impacted the image. If you can post original jpgs with exif data, we can check this.

I've taken countless images with the TG-6 (many when kayaking). By default in sunny conditions, yes...the TG-6 over-exposes. But a simple fix is to step down the exposure.

Can you do this in auto? No...auto is evil. Can you do this in AP? Not easily...because then the TG-6 assigns the top dial to aperture instead of exposure...and you have to change exposure in the "quick" menu which isn't quick.

The proper solution is to use P (program) (or C1/C2). A good option to use a settings recipe that works for you. The following is my TG-6 settings recipe for my OOC Jpgs:

  • Use 1 second delay for crisp images
  • i-enhance > low for blue skies
  • Turn off "keep colors warm"
  • In some situations I will use custom WB (the TG6 errors on the warm side)
  • I like to slightly under-expose to maintain saturation. TG-6 under-exposed OOC jpgs respond very well to exposure compensation (eg Gimp/Photoshop)
  • Turn noise reduction to low...normal destroys tree leaves
  • I wouldn't worry about aperture control, as in my experience manual temperature settings don't help that much.
  • Turn the levels on for nicely aligned images
  • Gradation normal (aka off)
  • 4:3 aspect ratio to prevent cropping

My best hypothesis is you may be disabling the built in light filter by when using aperture priority (a common mistake). The backlit sensor on the TG-6 is very sensitive and in bright conditions, it really needs to apply these "sunglasses" to protect images from being blown out. This really isn't an aperture change, so it confusing that Olympus put such a setting there. Normally when shooting program in sunny conditions, this isn't a problem...as Olympus almost always (from my experience) applies this filter for sunny outdoor scenes.

A mode wasn't used, or even played with, We tried P, Scene, and Auto. Any filter manipulation was the TG-6's firmware's doing.

Speaking of which, the camera's histogram said "over-exposed", not PL4, etc. Seems sort weird to see part of the camera know about the poor exposure, and do nothing to correct it. If it had, the results shouldn't be over-exposed. Unless something's broken in the firmware GPU, etc. All the more reason to say <$400 for broken camera. Not today, thanks.

Please understand that I'm impressed the sample images. They're frustrating in that, with some skill and ability, the camera will deliver them. Were the TG-6 my "leave the big camera, stuff this in a pack" camera, that'd be OK (stopping at 100 mm is a little frustrating - hence only an OK). For this particular user, again, parameter twiddling is a non-starter. Fact of life, there it s, set in cement. Not my choice but "if Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." I like happy.

Overall I'm happy with the TG-6. It's not a perfect camera but serves a good niche and with the right settings produces good images. For macro I would argue it can compete with and surpass some of the big boys for results.

The following are some sample TG-6 images I've taken:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/162931725@N08/sets/72157709545430657/?layout=justified

https://www.flickr.com/photos/162931725@N08/sets/72157710712252142/?layout=justified

Please can you explain the part about the "light filter" ~ what light filter 'setting' are you talking about???

There is no such setting mentioned in the manual....only Noise Filter is mentioned!

TIA

Repeating myself, for Chris and me, show's over, RMA's in hand, the TG-6 goes out tomorrow. Thanks for playing, TG-6. Here are your lovely parting gifts, including the home edition of "What's My Exposure?". [Big wink & grin]

Here's why:

See EXIF for details

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