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My experience using a Canon SX730HS for four years

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C_o_s Forum Member • Posts: 50
My experience using a Canon SX730HS for four years
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My favorite compact cameras for years have been the Olympus Tough line, especially since I snorkel and dive, and also like to take close-ups, which those cameras excel at. But as gradually got more and more into photographing birds, I wanted a camera with a lot of zoom. I wanted to be able to fill the frame with a bird without having to get close enough to spook it. So I posted on a forum here asking for advice, and ended up getting a Canon SX730 HS four years ago this week.

It has the makings of a great compact superzoom, but it misses the mark. I feel like they had the technology and optics to make an excellent camera and they _chose_ not to. I feel very ambivalent about this camera - there are some things I love about it, and some things about it I find frustrating or infuriating.

What I like most are the zoom - it really is amazing - and the picture quality. It's pretty good for a compact, if you have decent light and focus. And while it's a bit bigger than I'd like (and a bit bigger than the Olympus Tough compacts), it's still small enough to fit in my back pocket - just barely. So I'm happy with the size, though it's the largest I'd go.

One way I think they missed the mark is that they apparently ignored nature & wildlife as a use case when designing this camera. It has quite a depth of features geared not for nature. For example, it can detect babies' faces and track them with the focus - human babies only. I'm honestly puzzled as to why their feature development was so completely geared towards home & social use. Sure, these features will be useful to many people, but it seems to me that the overlap between wanting those, and wanting a superzoom, is mostly coincidental. Nature & wildlife, on the other hand, must correlate much better with wanting a superzoom, yet Canon seems to have completely ignored that.

An example of that is that this camera does not have built-in GPS! I honestly didn't even think of that when buying it, because it had been many years since I'd seen a compact camera that didn't have built-in GPS and I assumed they all had it. The only reason I didn't return it immediately after opening the package & manual and discovering this, is that it has a GPS feature using bluetooth linked to a smartphone. But even though that makes it minimally usable for me, it's fiddly and frustrating. You need to install an app on your phone, and the camera connects to it, but it frequently disconnects while you're out and about using the camera. Either you don't notice, and take a bunch of photos without GPS info, or you learn to always pay attention to whether the GPS marker turned off, and then you notice it just as you're about to take a photo and have to decide between bringing up the app and waiting 5-20 seconds to take the photo, or taking it without GPS anyway. The app itself is confusing at first, and has a "wizard" that makes it hard to know what you're doing or to re-try things or to see what failed. Even once you get it full working, because it's on a touchscreen where the entire screen is "active", if you accidentally touch the screen after it (re)connects to the camera and you want to close the app - oops! You just started the wizard and disconnected the camera from GPS again! This whole system is unreliable, flaky, and messy.

It's not just the app that has a bad interface; the camera's UI is pretty awful too. Several features that would be useful are effectively inaccessible because it's too hard to use them when using the camera. Or, they're semi-accessible but you have to take the camera away from your eye, hold it in both hands, and pay attention to screen menus, in order to use the feature. For example, a number of features use the spinning wheel to adjust something up/down, but the wheel is also a set of four function/directional buttons, and unlike with other cameras, this is not a wheel you spin from its side. To spin the wheel you have to press down on the outer rim of the wheel. You can see where this leads: You wanted to spin the wheel, but instead you just pressed one of the buttons. Switching into and out of macro mode is one of these things that requires pressing a button on the wheel and then spinning the wheel one step; I've lost a lot of insect photos by trying to switch to macro mode and mis-pressing the buttons and by the time I have it sorted out, the bug has flown away. Even after years of practice, it's still hard to get consistently right.

Another big, frustrating flaw in this camera is the autofocus. I've had 4 models of Olympus Tough and two other kinds of compacts before I got this one, and I'm pretty sure this is the worst autofocus I've ever experienced on a compact camera. It's nearly always very slow. It's really bad at picking out foreground vs. background. It gets worse in medium-low light (like, even in full daytime, if it's cloud and you're in the shade of a tree) and also gets worse when zoomed out a lot. Since superzoom is the whole point of getting this camera, for me, I experience the latter a lot. I'll frame a bird filling the entire middle 1/2 of the frame, and the camera will decide to focus on the tree in the background, and the only way to change its mind is to (slowly) un-zoom, re-focus, and try zooming again in increments. Or, it'll refuse to focus on anything at all. I've lost so many great bird photos to this autofocus, because they flit away or fly before I manage to get focus even if I had the bird cleanly in the frame for 10+ seconds.

This camera does have manual focus, which in theory could save a lot of these situations, but here we run into the UI problem again; manual focus is one of the features that's effectively not usable because of an awful interface. There's no way to quickly move the focus to the general ballpark, and then fine-tune it, because it's the same up/down buttons for both fine tuning and gross adjustment. You can only do gross adjustment by holding down the button for up or down, wait a couple seconds for it to move slowly, and then suddenly it speeds up. So of course you overshoot the distance you wanted, and now you want to go the other way... and to do that, you have to wait through the very slow fine tuning until it speeds up and overshoots again. It's awful. It takes even longer than coaxing the autofocus by repeatedly zooming out and back in in increments. After the first couple of years, I completely gave up on even trying to use manual focus on any creature that might move, because by the time I can focus on anything with it, the creature will most certainly have moved. Even if it's a heron.

Nonetheless, despite these frustrations, I've kept using this camera for four years. I do think about replacing it sometimes, but haven't gotten around to it. Overall, it takes good pictures, and I've gotten a lot of photos with it that I never would've gotten without a superzoom. But I've also missed a lot of great photos I should have been able to get, because of its flaws.

What's sad is that it seems like Canon could have so easily done better with pretty much the same camera design. They could add a built-in GPS, and improve the interface, while keeping the size and optics the same, and probably not adding much to the price either. I don't know if all Canon compacts have awful autofocus, so I don't know how easy it would be for them to do better on that, but if the manual focus were easy to use while actually holding up the camera aiming at something, that'd go a long way toward mitigating that flaw. Such a camera - an SX730 HS with GPS and with a usable interface - would blow the real SX730 HS out of the water in terms of quality and satisfaction. Make the autofocus just average quality and average speed for a compact, and it would be a truly excellent compact.

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Sue Anne Rush
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Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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Thank you for sharing this - 

C_o_s wrote:

My favorite compact cameras for years have been the Olympus Tough line, especially since I snorkel and dive, and also like to take close-ups, which those cameras excel at. But as gradually got more and more into photographing birds, I wanted a camera with a lot of zoom. I wanted to be able to fill the frame with a bird without having to get close enough to spook it. So I posted on a forum here asking for advice, and ended up getting a Canon SX70 HS four years ago this week.

It has the makings of a great compact superzoom, but it misses the mark. I feel like they had the technology and optics to make an excellent camera and they _chose_ not to. I feel very ambivalent about this camera - there are some things I love about it, and some things about it I find frustrating or infuriating.

What I like most are the zoom - it really is amazing - and the picture quality. It's pretty good for a compact, if you have decent light and focus. And while it's a bit bigger than I'd like (and a bit bigger than the Olympus Tough compacts), it's still small enough to fit in my back pocket - just barely. So I'm happy with the size, though it's the largest I'd go.

One way I think they missed the mark is that they apparently ignored nature & wildlife as a use case when designing this camera. It has quite a depth of features geared not for nature. For example, it can detect babies' faces and track them with the focus - human babies only. I'm honestly puzzled as to why their feature development was so completely geared towards home & social use. Sure, these features will be useful to many people, but it seems to me that the overlap between wanting those, and wanting a superzoom, is mostly coincidental. Nature & wildlife, on the other hand, must correlate much better with wanting a superzoom, yet Canon seems to have completely ignored that.

An example of that is that this camera does not have built-in GPS! I honestly didn't even think of that when buying it, because it had been many years since I'd seen a compact camera that didn't have built-in GPS and I assumed they all had it. The only reason I didn't return it immediately after opening the package & manual and discovering this, is that it has a GPS feature using bluetooth linked to a smartphone. But even though that makes it minimally usable for me, it's fiddly and frustrating. You need to install an app on your phone, and the camera connects to it, but it frequently disconnects while you're out and about using the camera. Either you don't notice, and take a bunch of photos without GPS info, or you learn to always pay attention to whether the GPS marker turned off, and then you notice it just as you're about to take a photo and have to decide between bringing up the app and waiting 5-20 seconds to take the photo, or taking it without GPS anyway. The app itself is confusing at first, and has a "wizard" that makes it hard to know what you're doing or to re-try things or to see what failed. Even once you get it full working, because it's on a touchscreen where the entire screen is "active", if you accidentally touch the screen after it (re)connects to the camera and you want to close the app - oops! You just started the wizard and disconnected the camera from GPS again! This whole system is unreliable, flaky, and messy.

It's not just the app that has a bad interface; the camera's UI is pretty awful too. Several features that would be useful are effectively inaccessible because it's too hard to use them when using the camera. Or, they're semi-accessible but you have to take the camera away from your eye, hold it in both hands, and pay attention to screen menus, in order to use the feature. For example, a number of features use the spinning wheel to adjust something up/down, but the wheel is also a set of four function/directional buttons, and unlike with other cameras, this is not a wheel you spin from its side. To spin the wheel you have to press down on the outer rim of the wheel. You can see where this leads: You wanted to spin the wheel, but instead you just pressed one of the buttons. Switching into and out of macro mode is one of these things that requires pressing a button on the wheel and then spinning the wheel one step; I've lost a lot of insect photos by trying to switch to macro mode and mis-pressing the buttons and by the time I have it sorted out, the bug has flown away. Even after years of practice, it's still hard to get consistently right.

Another big, frustrating flaw in this camera is the autofocus. I've had 4 models of Olympus Tough and two other kinds of compacts before I got this one, and I'm pretty sure this is the worst autofocus I've ever experienced on a compact camera. It's nearly always very slow. It's really bad at picking out foreground vs. background. It gets worse in medium-low light (like, even in full daytime, if it's cloud and you're in the shade of a tree) and also gets worse when zoomed out a lot. Since superzoom is the whole point of getting this camera, for me, I experience the latter a lot. I'll frame a bird filling the entire middle 1/2 of the frame, and the camera will decide to focus on the tree in the background, and the only way to change its mind is to (slowly) un-zoom, re-focus, and try zooming again in increments. Or, it'll refuse to focus on anything at all. I've lost so many great bird photos to this autofocus, because they flit away or fly before I manage to get focus even if I had the bird cleanly in the frame for 10+ seconds.

This camera does have manual focus, which in theory could save a lot of these situations, but here we run into the UI problem again; manual focus is one of the features that's effectively not usable because of an awful interface. There's no way to quickly move the focus to the general ballpark, and then fine-tune it, because it's the same up/down buttons for both fine tuning and gross adjustment. You can only do gross adjustment by holding down the button for up or down, wait a couple seconds for it to move slowly, and then suddenly it speeds up. So of course you overshoot the distance you wanted, and now you want to go the other way... and to do that, you have to wait through the very slow fine tuning until it speeds up and overshoots again. It's awful. It takes even longer than coaxing the autofocus by repeatedly zooming out and back in in increments. After the first couple of years, I completely gave up on even trying to use manual focus on any creature that might move, because by the time I can focus on anything with it, the creature will most certainly have moved. Even if it's a heron.

Nonetheless, despite these frustrations, I've kept using this camera for four years. I do think about replacing it sometimes, but haven't gotten around to it. Overall, it takes good pictures, and I've gotten a lot of photos with it that I never would've gotten without a superzoom. But I've also missed a lot of great photos I should have been able to get, because of its flaws.

What's sad is that it seems like Canon could have so easily done better with pretty much the same camera design. They could add a built-in GPS, and improve the interface, while keeping the size and optics the same, and probably not adding much to the price either. I don't know if all Canon compacts have awful autofocus, so I don't know how easy it would be for them to do better on that, but if the manual focus were easy to use while actually holding up the camera aiming at something, that'd go a long way toward mitigating that flaw. Such a camera - an SX70 HS with GPS and with a usable interface - would blow the real SX70 HS out of the water in terms of quality and satisfaction. Make the autofocus just average quality and average speed for a compact, and it would be a truly excellent compact.

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Woody S
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Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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I've been using an SX70 since just after they were introduced and have somewhere around 65,000 clicks on my first SX70 and have a spare for use when the first is done for. Yes, they do have flaws and could be better in a number of respects, but what do you want for the price. Every camera is a compromise between quality, capabilities and price and the manufacturer's estimate of the user base and market size. Over the years I've probably used more than 20 camera models and have always found something in each one that I'd like to see changed or improved. But I'm not someone with the ability to design or manufacture a camera, so I find work-arounds or buy another camera brand/model. In addition to my SX70 I'm using two mirrorless models of ILCs so I can get the photos I want. So, why don't you just get rid of that camera and get one that you think you'd be happier with? Good Luck!

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Yes, they do have flaws and could be better in a number of respects, but what do you want for the price.

If you're asking what I want, I want a better superzoom compact, and I'd be happy to pay a little more for that.  But I wrote this review in part to let people know what they _will_ get if they buy this one, with all its compromises, so they can judge for themselves.  For me personally, price was not the main factor, if that's what you're getting at.

Over the years I've probably used more than 20 camera models and have always found something in each one that I'd like to see changed or improved.

Well, yes and no.  This camera provoked the most extreme reactions from me, of any compact I've used.  As I said, it has some of the makings of a really great camera, it teases you with that, and yet it's flaws aren't just "oh that could be improved", they're infuriating.  I've never encountered something like this in any other camera.

And, as I said, I *love* the Olympus Tough line.  I totally understand what a camera built to take diving can't also have an extensive zoom.  They actually have better zoom than I'd expect from such a camera, though!  That's pretty much the only flaw I consider really significant in those cameras, and it's a very very understandable tradeoff for what they are - you just cannot make an underwater compact with much more zoom than that.  It's not like they could've made it "better" and chose not to.  Those cameras are truly excellent compact cameras.  Unlike the SX70 HS, which _could_ be excellent (in a different way, with a different tradeoff), but very much isn't.

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Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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Eeek!  I just realized I made a terrible error.  All of this is about the Canon PowerShot SX730 HS, not the Canon PowerShot SX70HS.  I accidentally must have missed one digit and believed the autocompletion this web site offered me, not realizing Canon had another camera whose name and model differed by one digit but is actually very different!!

I cannot figure out how to fix my own post.  I don't see any option to edit it.  I've contacted the web site through their contact form to ask them for help.

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Update: They seem to have received my report and corrected the review, so that it now has the correct camera model in the title and links to the correct camera.

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lorenzo Regular Member • Posts: 319
Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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Fascinating, useful, and detailed review. I appreciate your frustrations and willingness to be bluntly critical. I have its predecessor, the SX720, which I really like. Some observations about several of the issues you raised — you may well have already tried these but, if not, they could help!

1. Have you tried setting the default zoom to Digital 2x? As others have pointed out, that works quite well without sacrificing much in picture quality. It gets you zoomed in closer and faster.

2. Have you tried center-spot light metering? Most compact cameras I’ve owned have some trouble when birds are nestled among branches, in bushes, etc., but not to the extent you're describing. So, while multiple shots can sometimes be necessary to ensure the birds are in focus, it's not a huge issue. I often photograph birds at our feeders or out in the open where getting focus lock is much easier. See #10 where I provide my settings that pertain to focus…

3. The quick zoom out and back in button, which I’ve only recently been using, can work nicely to recapture moving targets or birds that jump or fly to another branch p.

4. Did they change the control dial function on the SX730? On my SX720, one simply spins it to change settings; no need to hold it down first.  I can see how that would be irritating!

5. Which photo mode are you in? I've been having my best luck with in Time Value (shutter) — setting it to 1/320 given that birds are speedy little things!   Adjust exposure compensation from there.

6. Many of the cameras with built-in GPS suffer from lags, too, and, worse, eat up batteries. So, unless you're traveling a lot, and need it, having GPS can be more a negative than a positive.

7. I set my camera on a mini tripod the other and used the Canon remote control app. Amazing. I could take many pictures, much faster, compared to hand holding the camera. Of course, when they flew away from the feeder, I was out of luck!

8. Do have a setting turn off the touch screen entirely? The SX720 lacks a touch screen, but it sounds as if that omission is a plus!

9. Did you come to the Canon interface from another camera brand? I've used several brands, but have found the Canon to be the most usable, accessible, and user-friendly. Many reviewers concur. I wonder if they changed something in the classic GUI for the SX730. After four years, if this is your primary camera, I can hardly repeat the classic advice that you'll get used to it! But perhaps there are some tricks or shortcuts others know that could help you. What's particularly problematic? Or, which options do you wish were more readily accessible?

10. As to focusing on the birds, here are the settings I use.  AF Frame set to Center, Continuous AF to On, I-Contrast to Auto, and Servo AF to Off.  Those may matter the most. They help me find focus pretty quickly.  As I mentioned, while I know the problem you're describing quite well, it hasn't been too bad an issue, but that could be related to where the birds are.  Maybe trying those or other combinations could improve things for you, although you may well have already tried them!  I also have turned off the A-F beam and set Safety MF to On.  I do like the focus peaking when  in manual focus — that’s helped me focus directly on birds sitting in a nearby bush.

11.  I do agree that if the camera's software can pick out faces, it should be able to spot birds, too!

In any case, hope some of this helps.  I do find myself often reaching for my Canon SX260 instead of the SX720 — it's lighter, has good quality, and there's something more magical and connected about using it.

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Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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Thank you for the detailed response!

1. Have you tried setting the default zoom to Digital 2x? As others have pointed out, that works quite well without sacrificing much in picture quality. It gets you zoomed in closer and faster.

I completely avoid digital zoom, I don't want it at all. I don't think it's useful - I can get the same results by just cropping the picture. If I want to get the equivalent of digital zoom, I simply don't zoom in all the way - and in fact, yes, I do that often. I first take one shot partly zoomed in, just in case the subject is about to move, and then I zoom in some more. I do that knowing that if I miss the second shot because it flitted away while I was zooming, that's okay, I have that first picture and I can crop it - effectively, I've already done the "digital zoom". But I definitely want what I'm seeing as I take the picture to accurately reflect what I'm asking the camera to do, and digital zoom would just be trying to fool me and make it harder to know what I'm photographing. As well giving me less time to figure out how to crop it best.

None of the issues I described have to do directly with this, though. The autofocus problem would not be improved by digital zoom.

2. Have you tried center-spot light metering?

I nearly always have it set to both light metering and autofocus on the center, not its algorithm for balancing the entire frame. That gives me more control. With light metering, it means I can quickly choose to expose it more or less by shifting the center slightly towards a darker or brighter area. That trick works with all cameras I've used, of course, nothing specific to this one. And it doesn't address any of the flaws I described, though I'm curious to know which flaw you think it could address?

Most compact cameras I’ve owned have some trouble when birds are nestled among branches, in bushes, etc., but not to the extent you're describing. So, while multiple shots can sometimes be necessary to ensure the birds are in focus, it's not a huge issue. I often photograph birds at our feeders or out in the open where getting focus lock is much easier. See #10 where I provide my settings that pertain to focus…

The issue with this camera isn't that I need to take multiple shots, it's that the autofocus often fixates on the wrong focus - either the background or the foreground - and NOTHING will change its mind except either a) zooming out, or b) turning the camera off and back on.  If it has decided that, say, the backdrop of leaves behind the bird is what it should focus on, it's not going to focus on the bird, period, unless I do one of those two things.  Waiting, taking multiple pictures, or shifting the center a bit, have no effect on the focus once it thinks it has found the right focus.  And most frustrating is that it often does this even when the bird is well framed in the center and covering a large portion of the view.

3. The quick zoom out and back in button, which I’ve only recently been using, can work nicely to recapture moving targets or birds that jump or fly to another branch p.

Yes, that is a useful feature, and one of the few that's actually usable while photographing, because its control is easy and accessible.  I probably should've mentioned it in the review, but forgot.

4. Did they change the control dial function on the SX730? On my SX720, one simply spins it to change settings; no need to hold it down first. I can see how that would be irritating!

I just looked at a photo of the SX720 here, and it looks the same to me.  "Simply spin" is not possible without pushing on it enough to create the friction to allow you to spin it; if you don't press down at all, then you'd just be sliding your finger down the surface of the dial and not spinning it at all.  Most cameras' dials are raised such that you can touch them along the side, pressing gently inward, to get enough of a grip to spin them, but this dial has no sides, so you need to get a grip by pushing down into it.  That causes me to push one of the buttons inside the dial far too often, and it's infuriating because it's just a stupid design choice they made that has no up-side.  They could have easily made it a normal dial you turn from the side, like most cameras have.

5. Which photo mode are you in? I've been having my best luck with in Time Value (shutter) — setting it to 1/320 given that birds are speedy little things! Adjust exposure compensation from there.

P (full automatic) works best for me.  It would be nice to have good shutter priority and aperture priority modes, but this camera doesn't and I'm okay with full automatic.

6. Many of the cameras with built-in GPS suffer from lags, too, and, worse, eat up batteries. So, unless you're traveling a lot, and need it, having GPS can be more a negative than a positive.

GPS is a 100% requirement for me.  I almost never want to take photos without GPS, and for being out in nature, I especially want to be able to depend on the GPS for when I go through the photos later (maybe much much later) and want to either check which trail I was on when I took the photo, or even use it to find a location again.

I'm not sure what "lag" you're referring to.  As for battery, I just carry a lot of spares.  Cameras with GPS do allow you to turn it off to save battery.  I nearly always prefer to keep it on, but it's not a drawback of the camera - if you want to lose GPS to get longer battery life you can turn it off.

Having GPS can never be a negative from my perspective.  There is absolutely no negative aspect to having GPS built in.  At WORST, you just turn it off, and you have a camera without GPS.  What's the drawback?

7. I set my camera on a mini tripod the other and used the Canon remote control app. Amazing. I could take many pictures, much faster, compared to hand holding the camera. Of course, when they flew away from the feeder, I was out of luck!

That... does not sound like something that would ever be useful to me.  I'm never trying to take pictures of a fixed location I have determined in advance.  Even when I photograph feeders, the point of having a superzoom is to get a close-up of the bird, so there isn't one specific spot at the feeders I could aim at in advance.

8. Do have a setting turn off the touch screen entirely? The SX720 lacks a touch screen, but it sounds as if that omission is a plus!

The SX730 HS does not have a touch screen.  I'm curious, though, what made it sound like it does?

9. Did you come to the Canon interface from another camera brand? I've used several brands, but have found the Canon to be the most usable, accessible, and user-friendly. Many reviewers concur. I wonder if they changed something in the classic GUI for the SX730. After four years, if this is your primary camera, I can hardly repeat the classic advice that you'll get used to it! But perhaps there are some tricks or shortcuts others know that could help you. What's particularly problematic? Or, which options do you wish were more readily accessible?

I've used several camera brands over the years, and my SLR was a Canon before I stopped using SLRs.  Of course that one was bigger, and thus had much different controls.  As I wrote in my review, in recent years I've mostly used Olympus Tough cameras aside from this Canon.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the classic GUI"?  To me "GUI" implies some sort of touchscreen or mouse based interface on a graphic screen, but I'm talking about the physical dials and buttons you use to control the camera while taking pictures.  You can't use a GUI easily *while* photographing, of course - you need to be looking at your subject, not thinking about visual interface elements!

Although there are many features I consider mostly nullified by the horrible interface of this camera, the one that's the biggest problem is the one I wrote about: The manual focus.  With such an awful autofocus, a usable manual focus would be a big deal!

With many cameras that have a manual and automatic focus, there's a simple switch to toggle between the two.  With this one, though, you first have to press the left button inside the dial (it's easy to accidentally spin the dial instead), then you have to spin the dial to slide across a menu of macro focus, regular auto, and manual (it's easy to overshoot and accidentally select macro, so you have to stop and pay attention), and then press the middle button.  So that's a big strike against it right there - the process to switch to manual is so fiddly and error-prone that it's a big deterrent against trying to do it when I already have something framed and realize the autofocus is having a hard time.

But even when you do switch to manual, you run into the problem I described in my review, which is that the controls are designed to make it nearly impossible to actually set the focus to where it needs to be.

In any case, hope some of this helps. I do find myself often reaching for my Canon SX260 instead of the SX720 — it's lighter, has good quality, and there's something more magical and connected about using it.

That does look like a nice light very compact camera, and it has GPS.  Unfortunately it has only about half the zoom, based on the specs I see.  When it comes down to it, the amazing zoom power of the SX730 HS will keep me using it for years, unless I can find a similarly-sized or smaller camera with comparable zoom.  And I still have my TG-4, TG-5, and TG-6 for when I don't need much zoom

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Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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lorenzo wrote:

5. Which photo mode are you in? I've been having my best luck with in Time Value (shutter) — setting it to 1/320 given that birds are speedy little things! Adjust exposure compensation from there.

This is good advice for any camera of any type. I've occasionally gotten good bird photos slower, but not reliably.

6. Many of the cameras with built-in GPS suffer from lags, too, and, worse, eat up batteries. So, unless you're traveling a lot, and need it, having GPS can be more a negative than a positive.

Never, ever buy a Canon with GPS. The SX280HS, which I really liked, burned through batteries like a yuppie's baby eating Cheerios when GPS was on. It had some other problems as well. The 720 is the 280 perfected.

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lorenzo Regular Member • Posts: 319
Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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First off, Jack, thanks for chiming in!  I like your apt comparison of the SX720 vs. the SX280 — and confirming my points about TV and GPS battery eating!

Second, several additional comments about your thoughtful replies, COS.

GPS lags. Many cameras with built-in GPS take time to lock in your position — just like the lag you experienced with using the phone connection. I get that you want GPS if you are hiking for hours over many trails and covering a wide distance… do you need the precise location? Are there alternatives such as taking a photo of trail signs, recording a brief video with voice memo? It seems that having GPS is a biggie for you.

Touch screen. On a re-read, I see that you were referring to the app your phone rather than the camera. I had been reading about the G series with touch screen interface and assumed one had been introduced with the tilt screen on the SX730. “Even once you get it full working, because it's on a touchscreen where the entire screen is "active", if you accidentally touch the screen…” but then it's about the app!

Autofocus. if your camera is having trouble focusing on a bird that fills up half the screen, my guess is that the camera is defective. Never had that issue with the SX720 or any other Canon. The difficulty I was referring to was with a bird “hiding” inside a bush or among branches, taking up only a small part of the screen. Even then, with some judicious aiming, or trial-and-error, it will lock onto the bird.

Interface. It sounded as if your SX730 worked differently than other Canons in the SX series, even to the point of requiring that the spin dial be pressed DOWN before it would spin. That would have been a change from the classic interface.

You are right. I shouldn't have used the term “GUI” when referring to the physical button, dial set up. Your calling it the “UI” is more apt. The Canon UI is well-regarded. The Function set, main buttons, and exposure controls are identified well; the options are easily accessed; and the layout of choices logical. In contrast, e.g., Panasonic's layout involves duplication, too many choices in different areas so they flow off the screen, counter-clockwise motions when one expects clockwise, readily overshooting options and ending up on the other end of different controls, with dramatically problematic results,

Spin dial. I wonder if your dial is defective. Mine moves round with a gentle touch — it does NOT require pressing it down. I've never had the problem of it inadvertently turning on, say, focus. If this were a standard problem, there'd be massive complaints about it!

Switching focus modes. I can see how a single switch would be quicker. Plus, doing the manual focusing with the spin dial is definitely trickier than using a large front control ring around the base of the lens (e.g., how the Panasonic ZS40 works). A big problem, as you've described, is that the manual focus control isn't that fine. In fact, I just tested this and the SX260 seems to have finer control than the SX720. The Focus Peaking helps on the SX720, though, for showing me whether I’m focusing on foreground branches or the bird.

Auto-focus behavior. In any case, i rarely need to resort to manual focus as the auto focus works just fine — and that's true across a host of Canons. I’ve never had a problem focusing on a bird sitting there for 10 seconds! Something must be wrong with your camera! I moved to using Time Value mode with a fast shutter speed because birds often flit around or fly away suddenly and the fast shutter speed ensure good focus. It also means little or no impact from any hand movement or shake. I've also found it convenient to use the half-press to lock focus — and it stays at that distance until I reframe and take the shot.

Auto-focus options. I don't know enough about the ins-and-outs or impact of the various focusing options, but it would seem that Servo AF, Continuous AF, and AF-assist beam could be major factors. I always have AF-assist beam off, as years ago, discovered it didn't help, even hurt, as my photos were mostly of distant objects, not indoor close-ups. I also found it incredibly helpful to set Image Stabilization to Continuous as it steadies the image on the screen when zoomed in at high magnification. That helps in seeing whether a distant bird is in focus.

Digital Zoom. I was referring there to the built-in teleconverter — not the standard digital zoom, which people rightly say to avoid. The 2x DZ gives my SX260 and SX720 greater reach and a bigger image on the screen when zoomed in. Combined with continuous IS, I can tell when the bird is in focus on not. Given I’m photographing birds, whether the edges of a frame is visible or not on the screen doesn't matter to me. Indeed, i didn't even know it they weren't being shown.

It'd be interesting to have other SX700-SX740 series owners chime in on these issues and the problems you've had. Is your camera defective? Is there some setting or combination of settings that could improve or solve your focusing issues?

Have you found a different camera that solves these problems for you?

marksee Contributing Member • Posts: 969
Re: My experience using a Canon SX70HS for four years
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I bought and returned two SX740's for similar reasons. Focusing even in bright light at the longer end was hit and miss. Actually, hit and miss, miss, miss. The IQ didn't compare to my SX50 IS and the 20 MP didn't seem to help either. Canon pushed the technology too far and it shows. Thought it was my fault and bought a 3rd. Sold the 3rd for more than I paid so I'm good. Back to the SX50 until it dies.

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Thank you for the detailed reply. I'll probably come back to read bits of this later.

This comment is just to clarify one part:

GPS lags. Many cameras with built-in GPS take time to lock in your position — just like the lag you experienced with using the phone connection. I get that you want GPS if you are hiking for hours over many trails and covering a wide distance…

I think you misunderstood the problem I described. GPS "lag" often means that a camera may have the GPS position where you were a few minutes ago, and takes time to "catch up" and update to the new position. I experience this with my Olympus Tough cameras, which all have built-in GPS, and which do sometimes lag (I can greatly reduce this lag by remembering to install a recent GPS data update). But that's not the issue I'm talking about with the Canon and its dependence on an app for GPS.

The problem isn't that its GPS "lags", the problem is that I need to actually stand there with the camera in one hand and the phone in the other, app open, and _wait_ until they connect. Or until they don't connect, in which case I can try again by killing the app and restart it. Maybe there's a bird that I want to take a picture of, and instead I'm just standing there waiting and looking at my phone. Or, what I sometimes do instead, is take a few pictures, then pull out the phone and wait for it to connect and take a picture of the ground or something. Later, when I have the photos on my computer, I need to find groups of photos like that and use exiftool to get the GPS data from the extra picture to copy it into the pictures I actually wanted to take. Either way, it's a frustrating, tedious, error-prone process.

Also, the problem I'm talking about is that it's up to me, and my own manual action. I'm responsible for checking if the camera has dropped its GPS, and pulling my phone out to run the app and restore it. It's not "lagging", it's disconnected, and if I don't notice or don't do anything about it, it will likely never reconnect.

GPS lag is a minor annoyance. It does not compare to this, this is a totally different league of problem, and much more serious.

do you need the precise location? Are there alternatives such as taking a photo of trail signs, recording a brief video with voice memo? It seems that having GPS is a biggie for you.

Of course there are "alternatives", but they are all even worse than using the app and reconnecting to the camera.  All of these alternatives require me to think about it and take manual actions to record my locations, _and_ to then spend a lot of time on the computer later to reconstruct those locations and get approximate coordinates into the image files.

I've actually done that plenty of times, for groups of photos where the camera did disconnect from the app and I didn't notice or didn't have time to spend to reconnect, and I ended up with a bunch of photos without GPS data.  After the fact, I can reconstruct their approximate locations from things like trail signs, landmarks, and my memory, and I can get GPS coordinates from Google Maps and use exiftool to put them into the photo files.  But that's much harder and much more work and less accurate than just having the camera connect to the app, so I try to keep the camera connected to the app as much as possible.  But just because that's a lot better than relying on these inefficient "alternatives" doesn't mean it doesn't still suck.

What wouldn't suck is if the camera had its own built-in GPS.  Even with lag, it would still do it all mostly on its own.  I would not need to think about it all the time, nor would I need to keep pulling out and unlocking my phone and staring at an app.  Sure, I'd get some GPS-lagged photos, but that's a LOT better than what I get with this camera.
And again, it's quite unbelievable to me that this camera doesn't have GPS.  It really surprised me, after I got the camera, to find out that I'd need to rely on a phone app.

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