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3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?

Started May 29, 2021 | Discussions
3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?

In specialized video editing programs (Adobe Premiere, for example) you can make any combination of sound, music and subtitles you want. The result is complex slideshow in a video clip format, that is best made at a high resolution and should be compressed as little as possible.

Anaglyphs deteriorate as the level of image compression increases.

4K video clips run well on most modern phones.

Donnie Loftus Junior Member • Posts: 45
Re: 3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?

3D Gunner wrote:

In specialized video editing programs (Adobe Premiere, for example) you can make any combination of sound, music and subtitles you want. The result is complex slideshow in a video clip format, that is best made at a high resolution and should be compressed as little as possible.

Anaglyphs deteriorate as the level of image compression increases.

4K video clips run well on most modern phones.

That is a possibility. I have Final Cut Pro 7 and that would do a great job. The only thing I worry about is the size of the video file vs a Power Point presentation made from Stills. I can do a short video of about 10 slides and see how it goes. Thanks for suggestion.

ColdEd Regular Member • Posts: 285
Re: 3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?

YT dropped their original Flash-based 3D support in favor of putting their efforts onto VR.

I just got my first VR headset, specifically to use with MS Flight Simulator 2020's VR capability. I have not previously had a VR headset (well, I tried one on once at a demo) so this is mostly new to me.

The MS Flight Simulator in VR is in full 3D.

Similarly, the generic Windows Mixed Reality user interface is also in 3D.

This surprised me - I was not expecting this.

If VR market is sizable enough, this is likely to be where 3D viewing will take place.

Some observations

- Instructions/manual were probably the worst I have seen in an electronic product! Had to go online to find forum posts or YT videos

- initial set up had some issues (turned out to be with the power connector)

- The hand controllers were supposedly pre-configured, but I had to manually configure them to get them working

- There is no diopter adjustment on the headset. Eventually found their instructions say to wear contact lenses or wear your glasses. I mostly need glasses for reading (like anyone over age 40 or so). Found trying to wear glasses awkward. I squint instead. This seems like a MAJOR oversight - literally they are telling everyone over 40 or so they are not expecting you to use their VR headsets!

- Each time the VR headset is powered on, a bunch of software stuff starts up. I have not timed it, but it takes a fair amount of time for everything to be up and running - plus I had to still use my mouse while looking at the computer screen before switching to VR mode.

- My thought is this is not yet consumer friendly enough to be adopted super widely. Hopefully it will get there.

- Eventually, this might be the standard way of viewing 3D for most people and might be where 3D finds a home.

- Related: Many (most?) video projectors (I do not have one) can display in 3D. It is very low cost to add 3D to a projector, far simpler than to an LCD TV screen.

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3D Gunner Senior Member • Posts: 1,031
Re: 3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?
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The large 3D image provided by video projectors is very impressive, but even with video projectors there can be several issues related to the 3D signal source and the type of signal required by each projector.

VR and AR devices are the future.
Already exist or are to be launched VR and AR devices that benefit from dioptric correction for each eye, as well as manual IPD correction.
There are dedicated apps for viewing 3D photos and movies with VR/AR devices.

Donnie Loftus Junior Member • Posts: 45
Re: 3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?

3D Gunner wrote:

In specialized video editing programs (Adobe Premiere, for example) you can make any combination of sound, music and subtitles you want. The result is complex slideshow in a video clip format, that is best made at a high resolution and should be compressed as little as possible.

Anaglyphs deteriorate as the level of image compression increases.

4K video clips run well on most modern phones.

As per 3D Gunner's suggestion about trying video, I did!  I took 10 of the stereo cards I have of old Saint Augustine, FL and put them into iMovie. I also used Photoshop to crop all the slides to the photos were all the same size, 1920x1080 which is Standard HD format.  This way all the images would all be the same size horizontally. I found a place on the internet where I could get copyright free music and made a presentation that lasts one minute.

This is just a test to see how well it works and to get an idea of how big a video file it would be. This one minute presentation is 126.9MB. I uploaded the video test to YouTupe and then downloaded it to my iPad and iPhone. It works on both but it is best to use the iPad vertically or the images get too wide to see in the viewer.  This test really shows just how soft many of the old stereo pairs were. 4K wouldn't help at all, but with modern equipment and higher quality, 4k would look great.

I think this is getting closer to where technology can make 3D viewing easier, but most people will still need a viewer, unless it can be built into a phone case or the bigger tablet cover (so a viewer is always right at hand).   Well, that's what I have come up with so far!

Here is the link on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRkWCMQpW9U

ZhouFenghua3d New Member • Posts: 1
Re: 3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?

JulMaass wrote:

Hi All - This is a repost from another forum, but it seems more at home here:

I want to find a way to share and view stereoscopic images online / using a smartphone. I've found 2 ways, one which requires a VR headset, and another which might require some software / coding skills.

Method 1: (conventional)

Displaying two images side by side on a smartphone display, and using a VR headset (playstation VR or google cardboard) to view them in 3D. I have done this. It looks amazing, but it's not very accessible unless you have a headset. If i get some interest i can share a few of my images...

Method 2:

Using software such as "facebook 360" to view 3D effect by tilting the display. This uses depth information from a 3D 'portrait mode' photo and the accelerometer built into your phone to animate the image to appear 3D.

I like this second option because it is much more accessible to the average person, though much harder to pull off. (facebook 3d image sharing it is currently only available for recent iphones as far as i can tell)

As I have only captured 2 photos per scene, I would need a way to get a depth map from the two images, perhaps using a neural network, in order to fill in the missing depth information and get a seamless transition between the 2 images. Alternatively I could take a short video instead of the 2 images.

Here is a video that explains 3D photos on facebook and ios:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmRtB3c3ylI

Any ideas on how this could be done? Perhaps there's a community working on this.

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Brian F Flint
Brian F Flint Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: 3D Photography - Can new tech make it more accessible?

This looks very interesting. Its the sort of thing I have been looking for. At the moment I show my 3d images and clips on a King 7S smartphone which has a glasses free display 3x5 inch display.

Here are some more links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuzpShfMsQ&t=8s

I notice on this promo they have use one of my 3d images from flickr. Same also for Turbguy.

Here is another link

https://groups.io/g/3DTablets/topic/86401387?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate/sticky,,,20,1,20,86401387

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Brian F Flint Regular Member • Posts: 184
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Here is a review on the ProMa King Tablet. It gives a lot more information.

https://www.js3d.cc/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=134

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Entropy512 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,016
Depth map from stereo

This is a pretty standard and common technique in computer vision and robotics, enough so that OpenCV documentation has dedicated tutorials on it:

https://docs.opencv.org/4.x/dd/d53/tutorial_py_depthmap.html

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