General Guidance

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Smaug01
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General Guidance
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I have confirmed my view with site admin and am now posting it.

Firstly, on what the forum is for: It's for discussing Challenges, not complaining about the voting not being fair or cheaters, etc. For that kind of issue, contact either the Challenge Host or site admin, if you think it's serious enough. Much of what is posted publicly here as research is guesswork and hard or impossible to confirm, especially by me or other members.

Secondly, bickering: When thread goes off-topic and ends up with 2 or 3 people bickering about some nuance or minutiae, I'm going to delete the top post where I judged that it was derailed. That will take all replies with it, so you're best off not engaging publicly on those issues. Instead, I suggest copying the link or text you want to discuss with that one person, and PM him or her. This will allow more viewpoints and more on-topic discussion and not drive others away from the thread.

Thanks for your cooperation, and I look forward to many interesting discussions.

Here's the conversation between admin and myself:

Smaug01 wrote:

Hi [admin member],

There is a lot of discussion in the Challenges Discussion forum. Some members are wanting to spend about 1/3 of the threads there questioning how votes are counted, whether there is cheating, etc.

My view was that the forum is not the place to discuss that, but that it should be used to discuss the challenges themselves. Challenge hosts and/or admin probably should handle that, as I don't have much visibility into it. However, I'm getting push-back on that, a few members really want to discuss it at every opportunity. Since I'm new, I don't want to just show up and start enforcing that without some more official background on it.

Advice please!

Thanks.

I completely agree with you. Threads that only exist to complain about voting or perceived cheating should probably be removed. I just closed one of the recent ones, but please keep me in the loop if this continues to be an issue.

If a thread is created for another purpose, but gets de-railed into those things, I will make a call on whether to delete the thread, the offending sub-thread or lock it, with or without comment. Remember that this is volunteer work for me, in addition to my day job and family duties. I'm only willing to spend so much time on it.

All I can do is try to be fair and keep it classy.

I'm open to polite feedback by PM. I'm only human and will miss things or make the wrong call from time to time. Please don't challenge me publicly, as that's a Rule 3 violation; if I humor that too much, I'll end up spending all my time justifying my actions.

Lastly, remember that these challenges are not a serious thing. There are no prizes other than a bit of internet glory. Try to remember it's just for fun. If you want a more "serious" challenge with official judges and cheat-proofing, these are probably not the challenges in which to be participating. Put on your thick internet skin.

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New Day Rising
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Excellent stuff, Jeremy.

Thank you.

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WA HOO!!  YA, I LOVE IT!!!  Thank you Mr. Moderator!!!!

Sincerely,

Mike

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David1961
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Thank you so much for volunteering your time to moderate this forum

The new guidance is excellent and very clear.

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Bill Thoo Contributing Member • Posts: 507
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Another thank you to you Jeremy.  No surprises that I am fully in favour of this.

There are gray zones, though.  Rather than specific complaints about cheating or voting, I would think it permissible to post about voting in general, for example, why you vote the way you do?  This can be helpful for new members.  But correct me if I am wrong.

And are all discussions about cheating, including how folks think it should be dealt with, out of bounds now?  I know it has often descended into bickering, and it may run afoul of Rule 3, but if it does not, and it is not throwing up specific cases, this can be helpful for hosts and new members too.  Or should this be had only in the site feedback forum?

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David1961
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Perhaps the admins could add a summary of the new guidance at the top of this forum's home page as a reminder to all.

It would also have the benefit of making new participants in this forum over time, who will probably not see this thread initially, aware of what is and is not allowed.

It could avoid some unpleasant exchanges in the future with new participants in this forum.

Just my $0.02 worth and hopefully some food for thought

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Joachim B Contributing Member • Posts: 846
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Some clarity, that's good! I will think that the forum will become a lot quieter now.

Smaug01
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Bill Thoo wrote:

Another thank you to you Jeremy. No surprises that I am fully in favour of this.

There are gray zones, though. Rather than specific complaints about cheating or voting, I would think it permissible to post about voting in general, for example, why you vote the way you do? This can be helpful for new members. But correct me if I am wrong.

I think that will be OK. We'll see how it goes!

And are all discussions about cheating, including how folks think it should be dealt with, out of bounds now? I know it has often descended into bickering, and it may run afoul of Rule 3, but if it does not, and it is not throwing up specific cases, this can be helpful for hosts and new members too. Or should this be had only in the site feedback forum?

Seems more appropriate for the Site Feedback forum.

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A good idea; I'll ask for it. (nt)
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Re: A good idea; I'll ask for it. (nt)

Thank you

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VintageGibson
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Joachim B wrote:

Some clarity, that's good! I will think that the forum will become a lot quieter now.

Unfortunately a lot of the entertainment value will probably disappear, that was the main reason I popped in here occasionally.:-)

Vintage

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