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FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

Started May 17, 2021 | Questions
Mike1988 Regular Member • Posts: 137
FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

Hello,

I made in the past a thread about the XF 18-55 thinking it was a problem related to its aperture blades or diaphgram but I can say now are not lens dependant some issues.
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FUJIFILM X-H1 v2.12 and FUJI 18-55 v3.23

Take a look at the two video samples here.
Aperture priority, same camera settings and lens.
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CLIP 1 - AF-S Flickering and stutters while moving the lens to different light sources or while half pressing (and release) the shutter button. IRIS movements are sticky and not smooth, Tried also AF ON, disable AF and AE lock from the shutter button with no luck or differences.

CLIP 2- MF mode, smooth live view and no issues. Even by using AF ON to focus or half shutter to lock exposure like in the first example everything is fine, iris goes back in forth in a single move while only adapting shutter speed, where in AF-S there are some issues and strange "patterns".

It's very annoying shooting in AF-S with this kind of flickering but as seen in the second example IRIS of the lens is fast and smooth, no problem. AF-C of course doesn't have any problem because the IRIS it's locked to the set value, but in AF-S and some exposure modes it moves slowly by steps, causing this weird flickering. Expecially outdoor of with high contrast light source is very noticeable, you can do some tests if you want to verify it.
In MF mode the IRIS is very very fast and quick, when you release the buttons it goes in place in a single move, with no lag or stutter.
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I think it's also related to the constant depth of field preview while in AF-S so the iris constantly closing, but I cannot disable it in AF-S to get a smoother experience like on MF mode. It's useful but because it's not very smooth I want to disable it in AF-S mode, maybe it's the main problem here.
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I'm now writing to Fujifilm to get confirm if it is a firmware problem or not, but seems to be. Please if you can do also some similar test with your X-H1 but also different body and lens combinations: stop down a bit the aperture, auto shutter, fixed ISO and switch between AF-S and MF, where you can use AF ON to focus or half shutter to lock exposure like in my example. You can see similar problems or not. I already reset my camera with no luck, no need by the way for your tests.
Thank You, please let me know.

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Fujifilm XF 18-55mm F2.8-4 R LM OIS Fujifilm X-H1 Fujifilm X-T3
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baobob
baobob Forum Pro • Posts: 18,248
Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

I tried the test with my XH1 and my XT3 with the 18-55mm at f18

It does flicker during 1 sec in AFS when you just release the half pres

Moreover it does the same thing with the 18-135mm at 18mm f18

It is noiser with the 18-55mm

It seems it is just inherent to the Fuji system

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OP Mike1988 Regular Member • Posts: 137
Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

baobob wrote:

I tried the test with my XH1 and my XT3 with the 18-55mm at f18

It does flicker during 1 sec in AFS when you just release the half pres

Moreover it does the same thing with the 18-135mm at 18mm f18

It is noiser with the 18-55mm

It seems it is just inherent to the Fuji system

Bad news so, on other systems doesn't happen, like on my Lumix with all previews on. Maybe the possibility to disable Dof preview can help (like in MF mode), but some x-t2 users noticed it after a firmware update based on the EVF response, and change in sensor image readout maybe.
It's still annoying, the strange fact is that the iris move very fast in MF mode, open and close istantly, I understand the Dof preview in AF-S mode but I can't understand why it's so imprecise with many steps to get into the position it was right before the half press. (this cause the annoying flickering, need to be more precise and faster in the preview, but I have not so much hope considering every single XF lens has stepping aperture problem, even compared to cheaper Lumix lenses)

aliksays Junior Member • Posts: 43
Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

Fuji just slowed down the iris programmatically so it moved slowly step by step which is causing this "issue". I have the same on my xt-20. You should just live with it

OP Mike1988 Regular Member • Posts: 137
Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

aliksays wrote:

Fuji just slowed down the iris programmatically so it moved slowly step by step which is causing this "issue". I have the same on my xt-20. You should just live with it

What's the point of slowing it down?
If this is the result it breaks the shooting experience. Better evf response? good, but the experience has become worse in the overall experience.

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Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

I think so also

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OP Mike1988 Regular Member • Posts: 137
Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

"So, as for someone else in various posts, I've received the "official" answer and this behavior is "normal", less visibile and more fluid on newer models but there." I know nothing is broken but frankly it's annoying, I have the diaphgram with some lenses noiser than X-H1 mech. shutter, expecially when you leave the shutter button in AF-S or in contrasty scene. Not considering also the absence of smooth transition, because the camera try do gives you a balanced view, and to do it uses the iris itself but.. XF lenses are not smooth speaking of aperture. Sometimes I can see it goes "up and down" and the aperture preview fight with the change in shutter speed, there is no priority in this.. where maybe the optimal view may be adjusted right only the proper shutter speed is achieved, like in MF mode when changing the light source. It's very visibile on strong light difference, but also while doing some street or landscape you can clearly see that flickering after depressing the shutter or when you try to catch the focus more than one more time. On other competitors it doesn't happen also because, expecially on Lumix, iris is fluid and you get a very smooth preview almost in every situation.
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Two solutions for me:

- menu settings to manage the type of Live preview via FW update, not only for manual exposure more (also DoF)

- XF lenses with a fluid diaphgram, but I can't find one at the moment iirc
(newer 27 and 10-24 seems to have same "behavior")
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I don't know, to me it's a "problem" able to affect the shooting experience.

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aliksays Junior Member • Posts: 43
Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

Mike1988 wrote:

"So, as for someone else in various posts, I've received the "official" answer and this behavior is "normal", less visibile and more fluid on newer models but there." I know nothing is broken but frankly it's annoying, I have the diaphgram with some lenses noiser than X-H1 mech. shutter, expecially when you leave the shutter button in AF-S or in contrasty scene. Not considering also the absence of smooth transition, because the camera try do gives you a balanced view, and to do it uses the iris itself but.. XF lenses are not smooth speaking of aperture. Sometimes I can see it goes "up and down" and the aperture preview fight with the change in shutter speed, there is no priority in this.. where maybe the optimal view may be adjusted right only the proper shutter speed is achieved, like in MF mode when changing the light source. It's very visibile on strong light difference, but also while doing some street or landscape you can clearly see that flickering after depressing the shutter or when you try to catch the focus more than one more time. On other competitors it doesn't happen also because, expecially on Lumix, iris is fluid and you get a very smooth preview almost in every situation.
.
Two solutions for me:

- menu settings to manage the type of Live preview via FW update, not only for manual exposure more (also DoF)

- XF lenses with a fluid diaphgram, but I can't find one at the moment iirc
(newer 27 and 10-24 seems to have same "behavior")
.
I don't know, to me it's a "problem" able to affect the shooting experience.

You can just turn off the exposure preview (Life VIew like). Maybe, this will help. But personally I think it will cause more issues with your shooting experience because you will have to rely on your shooting experience and keep the settings in mind imagining what will be the output. ) It will bring you back to the old film-like era

OP Mike1988 Regular Member • Posts: 137
Re: FUJI X-H1 - Aperture Flickering and AF-S preview issues

aliksays wrote:

Mike1988 wrote:

"So, as for someone else in various posts, I've received the "official" answer and this behavior is "normal", less visibile and more fluid on newer models but there." I know nothing is broken but frankly it's annoying, I have the diaphgram with some lenses noiser than X-H1 mech. shutter, expecially when you leave the shutter button in AF-S or in contrasty scene. Not considering also the absence of smooth transition, because the camera try do gives you a balanced view, and to do it uses the iris itself but.. XF lenses are not smooth speaking of aperture. Sometimes I can see it goes "up and down" and the aperture preview fight with the change in shutter speed, there is no priority in this.. where maybe the optimal view may be adjusted right only the proper shutter speed is achieved, like in MF mode when changing the light source. It's very visibile on strong light difference, but also while doing some street or landscape you can clearly see that flickering after depressing the shutter or when you try to catch the focus more than one more time. On other competitors it doesn't happen also because, expecially on Lumix, iris is fluid and you get a very smooth preview almost in every situation.
.
Two solutions for me:

  • menu settings to manage the type of Live preview via FW update, not only for manual exposure more (also DoF)
  • XF lenses with a fluid diaphgram, but I can't find one at the moment iirc
    (newer 27 and 10-24 seems to have same "behavior")
    .
    I don't know, to me it's a "problem" able to affect the shooting experience.

You can just turn off the exposure preview (Life VIew like). Maybe, this will help. But personally I think it will cause more issues with your shooting experience because you will have to rely on your shooting experience and keep the settings in mind imagining what will be the output. ) It will bring you back to the old film-like era

Nope, you can't apart from manual exposure mode as states before, no solution in aperture priority for example. But it defeats the advantage of a mirrorless with the instant preview, at least disabling Dof preview like in MF may help but you can't do it in AFS, where camera always want to decide the "better" viewing .. using a not step less or without having more fast and precise iris in the lenses, maybe.

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