XT-3 v XT-4 v X-S10 with 70-300mm lens for air-shows and nature image capture

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jwBobby458 Regular Member • Posts: 395
XT-3 v XT-4 v X-S10 with 70-300mm lens for air-shows and nature image capture

Hi there, if I owned the Fujifilm 70-300 mm F4-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens which body would be best suited for taking images at air-shows along with wildlife including birds in flight and macro pictures of dragonflies and butterflies? In an ideal world I would prefer the 100-400 lens but at almost twice the cost.... Some reviewers have commented the XT-4 would not be the best when compared with the XT-3. Others have commented the Fujifilm AF is not the best, and needs tweaking. Thought and impressions much appreciated. Thanks for reading. John

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All of the bodies all plenty good for the job. All of them have suitable AF for the job.

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jwBobby458 wrote:

Hi there, if I owned the Fujifilm 70-300 mm F4-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens which body would be best suited for taking images at air-shows along with wildlife including birds in flight and macro pictures of dragonflies and butterflies? In an ideal world I would prefer the 100-400 lens but at almost twice the cost.... Some reviewers have commented the XT-4 would not be the best when compared with the XT-3. Others have commented the Fujifilm AF is not the best, and needs tweaking. Thought and impressions much appreciated. Thanks for reading. John

They are all 4th-gen X-Trans with the same base capabilities, however, the X-T4 has more durability and memory etc (i.e. 300,000 actuation shutter, larger buffer). There’s a good comparison between the X-Ts 3 and 4 here:

https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/preview/fuji-xt3-vs-xt4/#shutter

"With the X-T4, I found Wide Tracking has received the first real boost in performance and reliability. In fact, the camera’s overall ability to understand what and where the subject is has improved."

This site has a few related articles, including one about some advantages provided by the X-Pro line for BIF, so you may wish to consider the X-Pro3, as well:

https://www.mirrorlessons.com/2016/03/30/fuji-x-pro2-ovf-birds-in-flight/

"How to make the OVF usable for birds in flight

There are two main reasons you’ll want to try the OVF of the X-Pro2 for birds in flight. They are the same reasons that would lead you to try a red dot sight:

  • You get a “real world” view of the scene without any lag, blackouts or slower frame rates in continuous shooting mode since the OVF is independent of the sensor/lens
  • You get a larger view of the scene which helps you understand what’s going on around your subject and where your bird is going.

Let’s have a look at the settings I used for birds in flight…"

The X-T4 (and possibly the X-Pro3) has advantages, but they may not justify the extra cost. These two articles from the same site have good details on settings for the X-T3 and/or X-T4: https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/stories/fuji-xt4-birds-in-flight-test/ & https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/best/mirrorless-cameras-for-birds-in-flight/

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Even fast aircraft are not that fast compared to birds when scale is considered. Even my ancient Nikon D200 + Mechanical 80-400 VR with it's famous slow focus had no trouble keeping up.

You need to be more specific regarding wildlife for us to answer.

Morris

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I'm really enjoying the 70-300mm with the X-T4. I got the X-T4 partly because I wanted to start using video along with my image capture. I'm no movie-maker, but capturing moments like bird calls, feeding their mates, and other interesting activity, as well slo-mo sports moments is a lot of fun.

The X-T4 is great for this. With its IBIS and the ability to switch between photo/video without taking an eye off the EVF, video is instantly accessible. I have even put different frame rates in the Q-menu, so I can switch between real-time, 2x, 4x, 5x, and 10x slo-mo without taking my eye off the subject. Fast moving sports like tennis are great at 10x, and birds are gorgeous at between 2x and 5x slo-mo.

I'm still learning, and figuring out the best way to combine photo and video in a presentation format. It adds a whole new dimension to my photography and I'm really enjoying it. The 70-300mm and the X-T4 are a great pairing for both photo and video.

The video William Chua did for the 70-300mm lens provides inspiration for what I am going for with my bird/nature photography:

William Chua Fuji 70-300mm lens

maltmoose Senior Member • Posts: 2,158
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I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

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The XT4 has a bigger battery. You might also want a grip with the XT3 to compensate. No grip available for the XS10. One nice thing about the XT4 grip is you can charge all three batteries via USB C.

Reviewers might have preferred the XT3 because it was on sale for $1k but now it's almost the same price as the XT4. But we can't really comment on that intelligently without more specifics.

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maltmoose wrote:

I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

The teleconverters work with the XF70-300mm, too, so the reach is outstanding for the weight (especially with Sportsfinder mode.)

That XC50-230mm is a super-bargain.

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maltmoose wrote:

I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

The teleconverters work with the XF70-300mm, too, so the reach is outstanding for the weight (especially with Sportsfinder mode.)

That XC50-230mm is a super-bargain.

Yep, its a suspiring lens but has its limitations. I'm thinking of getting the 70-300 but not sure if i should just get a 400 and keep the 50-230 hmmm

Nothing ive seen has convinced me the x2 TC is good enough combined with this lens. maybe the x1.4 TC

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maltmoose wrote:

I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

Most of my aviation photos are taken in the 250mm to 300mm range with about 1/4 300 to 400mm. You need to ware ear plugs where I stand. This one is at 310mm

Morris

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Morris0 wrote:

maltmoose wrote:

I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

Most of my aviation photos are taken in the 250mm to 300mm range with about 1/4 300 to 400mm. You need to ware ear plugs where I stand. This one is at 310mm

Morris

lol

i've never seen one of them at an air show. Could you find something bigger next time.

Nice shot though, im going to an air show in the uk in September and with all the saftey stuff longer is better. i missed 100s opportunities as just no point as too far away.

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jwBobby458 wrote:

Hi there, if I owned the Fujifilm 70-300 mm F4-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens which body would be best suited for taking images at air-shows along with wildlife including birds in flight and macro pictures of dragonflies and butterflies? In an ideal world I would prefer the 100-400 lens but at almost twice the cost.... Some reviewers have commented the XT-4 would not be the best when compared with the XT-3. Others have commented the Fujifilm AF is not the best, and needs tweaking. Thought and impressions much appreciated. Thanks for reading. John

The CAF of not just the xt3, XT4, but even the Xt2 is absolutely fine for the air show. In 2019 I had the Xt2 and 50-230 and it worked great

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63140886

So I absolutely sure that now my xt3 with the 70-300 will do even better. 
Regarding the 70-300 vs the 100-400, I wouldn’t worry that much as planes are passing multiple times over the airport and in the end you don’t so much focal length.

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jwBobby458 wrote:

Hi there, if I owned the Fujifilm 70-300 mm F4-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens which body would be best suited for taking images at air-shows along with wildlife including birds in flight and macro pictures of dragonflies and butterflies? In an ideal world I would prefer the 100-400 lens but at almost twice the cost.... Some reviewers have commented the XT-4 would not be the best when compared with the XT-3. Others have commented the Fujifilm AF is not the best, and needs tweaking. Thought and impressions much appreciated. Thanks for reading. John

Great camera with great IBIS which stabilize the Zooms even more.

Also the cheapest with the best grip. AF is good enough!

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maltmoose wrote:

Morris0 wrote:

maltmoose wrote:

I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

Most of my aviation photos are taken in the 250mm to 300mm range with about 1/4 300 to 400mm. You need to ware ear plugs where I stand. This one is at 310mm

Morris

lol

i've never seen one of them at an air show. Could you find something bigger next time.

Nice shot though, im going to an air show in the uk in September and with all the saftey stuff longer is better. i missed 100s opportunities as just no point as too far away.

It made it's own show. This is more like what you are thinking about. This time 250mm

Morris

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Yannis1976 wrote:

jwBobby458 wrote:

Hi there, if I owned the Fujifilm 70-300 mm F4-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens which body would be best suited for taking images at air-shows along with wildlife including birds in flight and macro pictures of dragonflies and butterflies? In an ideal world I would prefer the 100-400 lens but at almost twice the cost.... Some reviewers have commented the XT-4 would not be the best when compared with the XT-3. Others have commented the Fujifilm AF is not the best, and needs tweaking. Thought and impressions much appreciated. Thanks for reading. John

The CAF of not just the xt3, XT4, but even the Xt2 is absolutely fine for the air show. In 2019 I had the Xt2 and 50-230 and it worked great

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63140886

So I absolutely sure that now my xt3 with the 70-300 will do even better.
Regarding the 70-300 vs the 100-400, I wouldn’t worry that much as planes are passing multiple times over the airport and in the end you don’t so much focal length.

Yeah, an X-T20 would be the strategic choice.  Then get the X-H2 next year, and perhaps the XF70-300 with tc14 when rebate season is on.

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maltmoose wrote:

Strangefinder wrote:

maltmoose wrote:

I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

The teleconverters work with the XF70-300mm, too, so the reach is outstanding for the weight (especially with Sportsfinder mode.)

That XC50-230mm is a super-bargain.

Yep, its a suspiring lens but has its limitations. I'm thinking of getting the 70-300 but not sure if i should just get a 400 and keep the 50-230 hmmm

Nothing ive seen has convinced me the x2 TC is good enough combined with this lens. maybe the x1.4 TC

Yeah, very few zooms seem to gain from x2 rather than cropping.

The other use for the XC50-230 is for when the terrain or situation may be tenuous, yet reach is important - losing an XC rather than an XF or red badge is not so bad.

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Morris0 wrote:

maltmoose wrote:

I used an xe3 and the 50-230 to shoot at an airshow once and got some nice photos from it. The camera body and AF wasnt the main issue. (although certainly not ideal, i could live with it) The main issue was that i didnt have nearly enough reach..

If you want the best results get 400mm imo, any 24=26mp body will do but the xs10 has a nice grip and some useful memory modes for action so maybe that body and its not so expensive as xt4.

Most of my aviation photos are taken in the 250mm to 300mm range with about 1/4 300 to 400mm. You need to ware ear plugs where I stand. This one is at 310mm

Morris

Thanks for sharing your great images and useful notes

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