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BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

Started May 14, 2021 | Discussions
Malling Senior Member • Posts: 1,534
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)
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Bobthearch wrote:

jhorse wrote:

Bobthearch wrote:

Holy hell, I'm not reading all of that.

But here are a few things that I wish bag makers and shoppers would consider:

  • If I can't access the camera and lenses while hiking, it's useless.
  • If catching a zipper on a branch can result in camera gear falling out, it's useless.
  • If it's designed so that a leaking water bottle can drip on camera gear, it's useless.
  • If the material isn't durable enough to hold up to abrasions from rocks and scratches from briars and branches, it's useless.
  • Camera bag makers generally suck when it comes to ergonomics, comfort, and adjustability. Outdoor companies experienced in designing daypacks and backpacks usually get it right.
  • A one-bag solution needs to be large enough for camera gear and hiking gear: water, fleece, food, rain gear, etc. At least the Ten Essentials.

That is a lot of 'uselesses!' I tend to agree with most of them too. So what bag do you recommend that avoids them all?

The best solution I've found, two bags. A backpack/daypack for hiking gear, and camera gear in a separate shoulder bag. With the shoulder bag strap over the backpack strap, the weight is distributed ok.

Any heavy or large camera gear that's not needed at-hand when hiking, it can go in the backpack.

It's really nice to drop the pack and just wander around with the camera, especially on a multi-day trip.

With some you can take the system and then click it behind the TMP harness and then tighten it in. It works fairly well for quick access and work as a counter weight. I done it several times and works well.

blank_ Regular Member • Posts: 479
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

Chris 222 wrote:

- 3 laptop screens that cracked under the thinly-padded PP backpanel pressure (Apple, Dell, Lenovo.) This was of course inside photo packs that place the laptop compartment in the dumbest possible place, just behind your spine and therefore constantly exposed to its pressure.

this is quite interesting.. I need to carry a slim 15" Thinkpad and all the bags I'm considering place the notebook just behind your back - there is basicaly no other space to put it with not enough space on top of camera cube unless you have a huge 70l backpack and at the other side of the bag the notebook is exposed + the weight distribution is less ideal.

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

blank_ wrote:

Chris 222 wrote:

- 3 laptop screens that cracked under the thinly-padded PP backpanel pressure (Apple, Dell, Lenovo.) This was of course inside photo packs that place the laptop compartment in the dumbest possible place, just behind your spine and therefore constantly exposed to its pressure.

this is quite interesting.. I need to carry a slim 15" Thinkpad and all the bags I'm considering place the notebook just behind your back - there is basicaly no other space to put it with not enough space on top of camera cube unless you have a huge 70l backpack and at the other side of the bag the notebook is exposed + the weight distribution is less ideal.

The Cosyspeed Photohiker 44 has solved this problem (detailed review in Article 3) but availability is a big question mark these days.

There may be other options, but let's continue this conversation via PM (I'll need your torso length, country/state, I also always appreciate a first name.)

JackCircles New Member • Posts: 1
Re: Reference packs: Deuter Futura Vario 45+10
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Hey there,

Thanks so much for your review. I'm researching on this backpack for days now I'm glad I found your review. I'm also into photography. I'll be using this for our camping trips so I don't have to carry extra bags for my camera and gimbal. One thing that saddens me is there's a newer version of this, the Airtrek, it's like an improved version bec it's the latest. But sadly, it's not available in our country. So this Futura Vario is the best I can get.

I'm a woman btw, and I also read it fits men with smaller frame.

I just want to know if it can really distribute the weight to the hips bec it says 70% of the backpack weight will be transferred there.

My built is petite so I really need something that won't over burden my shoulders cos I got back pains, too, and not from hiking/camping got it from prolonged sitting at work.

Thanks!

Jack

OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
Re: Reference packs: Deuter Futura Vario 45+10

JackCircles wrote:

Hey there,

Thanks so much for your review. I'm researching on this backpack for days now I'm glad I found your review. I'm also into photography. I'll be using this for our camping trips so I don't have to carry extra bags for my camera and gimbal. One thing that saddens me is there's a newer version of this, the Airtrek, it's like an improved version bec it's the latest. But sadly, it's not available in our country. So this Futura Vario is the best I can get.

I'm a woman btw, and I also read it fits men with smaller frame.

I just want to know if it can really distribute the weight to the hips bec it says 70% of the backpack weight will be transferred there.

My built is petite so I really need something that won't over burden my shoulders cos I got back pains, too, and not from hiking/camping got it from prolonged sitting at work.

Thanks!

Jack

Hello female Jack (Jacqueline?) and welcome to the forum.

May I suggest that you go back to the beginning of this thread, especially Post/Article 2? You will see that the Airtrek is NOT an improved version, in fact it's MUCH WORSE than the Vario!

Anyway, I'll be happy to help you further but let's continue this conversation via Private Message (I'll need your torso length, and country/state in order to best help you.) The easiest way to send me a PM is to click on my ID (Chris 222) and then choose Send Private Message.

nhr5005 Regular Member • Posts: 137
Re: Reference packs: Deuter Futura Vario 45+10

Glad I could help Jack.

I just returned from some shorter hiking w it in the Grand Canyon, definitely no worries on the weight going to the hips. I don’t think my hikes were long enough this time to feel anything otherwise. Still kind of a pain to get my camera out and put it away each time, I really need to think about a different way to load the pack (maybe using the top instead of the panel flap), or maybe I need get one of those PD Capture Clips.

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Museruluu New Member • Posts: 1
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021, Post 3)

HRC2016 wrote:

A backpack for photographers is all about compromise.

I recommend a dedicated hiking backpack to carry hiking-only essentials, and a waistpack to carry your bodies/lenses. You'll have faster access to your gear.

That also provides you with better versatility if you decide you don't want to combine both. Have you ever used a camera bag when you're not carrying gear? It sucks.

I also advise avoiding slings/messenger bags unless you want to injure your body. Have you ever tried to shoot when you don't have feeling in one of your hands?

Go for the light weight ones. My work boots broke out in the middle of my hike. Thanks God to my lightweight reebok backpack which had the stuff to communicate to my team down there.

Timmi
Timmi Contributing Member • Posts: 700
Great Summary, but…
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Well thats a great Writeup. On the TMP, well if I go the obvious Outdoor Stores (Globetrotter Flagship Store Hamburg, Germany), its very well in minority. Maybe 15%. Anyhow.

Now, the thing I really miss in your detailed outline is how you are placing large deep ICU’s in theses Outdoor Backpacks to fit all the gear for 1 - 3 day hike. Deep, because stacking lenses upright as well as gripped boddies.

Just for simplicity, take something like the Shimoda DSLR Large V2 with its 30x40x18cm which just barely fits something like my Olympus EM1X, 8-25, 40-150 F2.8, 8m Fish, both converters, Haida 10 Filterset, Rode Mic, Smallrig, Video Head, Powerbanks, Chargers Cables, DJI Mini2 etc. while I handhold the OM1 with 150-400 (lets face is this will always be outside as it takes to much space). Oh an the Peak Design Travel TriPod on top.

This is where I struggle with all these Hiking Backbacks as they do not really fit those large deep units and i have a few bags - but not a right one…. Still searching.

On the Rain-side of things, especially if you are a photographer, a poncho would make more sense as it would also cover for your camera (Windspeed permitting)

B

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
BEST BACKPACK FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS: 9 new FAQs
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FAQ 21

I walk with a tripod attached to my backpack when not in use. I have a tripod bag but I don’t use it on hikes because it adds a lot of bulk and weight. I have been unable to find one of those great 2020 Deuter packs you recommend, the ones with strong fabric (in the middle of the front stash pocket) that prevents a tripod’s feet from ripping through. Also, I fear that the same tearing through would happen with the side pockets of the packs I am considering, since most are made of “stretch mesh.” Why do they do this?! What to do?!

You’re definitely not the only person to wonder about this. An industry source told me recently that torn mesh pockets are by far the most common source of backpack repairs and that they also generate a lot of customer discontent since such repairs are almost never covered by warranties. This is the real reason why some brands are beginning to go back to standard fabric pockets (but they still fail to include drain holes at the bottom… sigh.) Frankly, I struggle to understand why they don’t implement a different, easily repairable pocket attachment design but I digress… Bottom line, you’re not alone with this problem! Luckily there’s an easy DIY (Do It Yourself) solution.

But first a bit of history, just for fun. Decades before stretchable mesh was used on packs, wildlife photographers already had a problem with sharp spikes tearing through side pockets (often called “elephant ear pockets” and usually made of heavy canvass fabric like the rest of the pack) because they had to put their tripod’s razor-sharp feet, or other sharp tools of the trade, inside those pockets when shooting in ice-covered places like Alaska or the Polar Research Stations. What they did then, was to stick the tripod feet inside either a food can or an aluminum water flask cut in half.

What we do now is very similar except that we use plastic containers. Here is the DIY:

1) Find a strong plastic bottle with a rounded bottom edge and a diameter that’s about 1/2 inch larger than your folded tripod legs. Many 1 liter or 1.5 liter junk drink bottles will work just fine for this purpose.

2) Place the bottle inside the pocket, push it down hard and make a mark about 1 inch above the pocket’s top rim (don’t make the mistake I myself made some years back, which was to make that mark below the elastic… The plastic bottle’s fairly sharp top edge tore through the mesh pocket within a couple of hours!)

3) Make a clean cut at that mark around the bottle using sharp scissors.

4) Drill 4 holes at the bottom for drainage. A 1/8 inch diameter metal drill bit with pilot head works perfect for this.

Note that I strongly recommend also using this solution with fabric pockets If your tripod feet have metal ends.

FAQ 22

In Article 5, Solution 1, you said that using a backpack’s side pockets for “bridge cams, MFT rigs, compact cams, extra lenses, etc. works just fine” but I am finding it quite difficult to reach back there and grab even a simple water bottle since manufacturers make the top of the side pocket so high. What am I missing? Should I get another backpack?

I see how you would blame backpack designers but understand that making the top of the side pockets lower would result in lots of water bottles or other gear falling out. Owners of packs made this way often complain about this, and quite rightfully!

The good news is that there are two very effective ways of solving this problem:

1 – Lower the pack a little

When I wrote the section you refer to, I took it for granted that readers would know about a technique that we hikers have used on “automatic pilot” for eons, but which I now see some folks are not aware of. In a nutshell, what we do is simply (instructions for a right-handed person):

a) reach under the bottom of the pack with your left hand and lift the pack a little

b) loosen the right shoulder strap a little. This drops the pack by a few inches.

c) just lift your right elbow and grab or drop anything that's in the pocket. With a bit of practice you can even loosen and re-tighten the lower compression strap, assuming of course that such a strap goes over the top of the pocket (I always use one when for a bit of extra safety when I stash a small photo rig in one of my side pockets.)

d) Repeat step a and reverse step b.

The whole thing takes literally seconds and as you can see, you do not have to drop your pack! For reference, I would estimate that between water and gear grabs, I use this technique anywhere from 10 to 30 times a day on most of my hikes.

Still, there’s no denying that this technique is a bit more challenging with heavy loads (say, 40 pounds or more) and this is where you second choice comes in.

2 – Use a backpack with dual access side pockets

In the last few years some manufacturers such as Decathlon, Osprey, REI, etc. have started including pockets with dual access (top and side) or even only side access on some of their models, (example: Decathlon Quechua MH500 series) which I think is an excellent trend.

Still, some side access pockets are very poor (see Gregory Katmai/Kalmia review above) and some are great. How can you tell? What you want is a simple, front-facing opening with its lower part just a few inches above the bottom of the pocket, a design that keeps the bottle (or lens, compact cam, hat, whatever) at a slight angle to prevent it from falling out when you bend forward a little while hitting a steep slope or tying your shoes, and yet allows you to easily pull it out when standing straight up (I would strongly recommend that you read the gear reviews I previously published in this thread for all the details.) An additional way of securing the top of the bottle, such as the little elastic strap found on the MH500, is a great extra layer of additional security. This is the type of efficient design that can quickly make a big difference out on the trail.

FAQ 23

How do I go about sizing my new backpack? I have seen internet claims by some photographers who own a small size photo backpack (20 to 30 liters) that they use it with a ton of photo gear plus “all the essentials” for day-long hikes. Is that even possible? I’m in the market for a new backpack and I don’t want to buy one that’s too small.

I think that the best way to answer your question is to look inside my own daypack and give you the actual volume of the essentials typically used in shoulder season (spring or fall.) All items are compressed as much as possible inside my pack using straps or bungees (in order to calculate volumes, lay your compressed items on a table and measure Width x Length x Height, convert cubic inches to liters if needed):

– Health/safety kit: 0.5 Liter

– 3 water bottles: 1.5L Nalgene (2) + 1L insulated Thermos (1): 4.5 L

– small sealed food box: 2.70 L

– spare shoes (see FAQ 20), Hoka Ultraventure, size 10 (extra socks stashed inside to save space): 5 L

– rain jacket (Arcteryx size XXL): 3 L

– fleece jacket (North Face XL): 7.5 L

– Multipurpose fleece blanket: 0.5 L

– Gloves, hat: 1 L

– Spare clothes (windbreaker, shirt(s), shorts, pants, etc.): 3 L

– Miscellaneous: (knife, GPS, etc) : 0.3 L

Total volume: 28 Liters

Now that you have this factual information, you can see that I would only have 2 liters left for my photo gear with a true 30 L pack! Keeping in mind that many photo pack makers also list exaggerated volumes, I will let you draw your own conclusions about those claims you saw on the internet...

I would recommend that you look either for a 40 L TMP pack (this is what I personally use in mid-season) with an ICU for your photo gear if you like, or for a minimum 50 to 60 L TMP pack with good side compression straps if you will be using it year-round. Don’t be intimidated by such a “big size”, you will not feel the “dry” weight difference with a smaller pack if it is a good TMP pack that is easily compressible (see FAQ 5 and 11.)

Notes:

1) This volume can go down to about 20 L in the summer (I use a lighter fleece jacket, no gloves, etc.) and up to 35 L during the winter.

2) In both cases you can reduce the overall volume by about 25% by only using UL (UltraLight) clothing and other equipments, but be aware that such gear costs 2 to 3 times more.

FAQ 24

I’m desperate to find a couple of those awesome 2019-2020 Deuter packs you tested and recommended, one for me and one for my wife. We tried and returned the new ones because of the horrible shoulder straps. A friend of mine paid over $300 for his Vario! Why?! Can you help?

I get this question all the time and I’m afraid to say that there are now very few options left for you.

1) Contact all the large outdoors retailers or chains that carry Deuter packs in your country. Some of them do buy back older models when a customer “updates” to newer models and resell them as used gear… you may get lucky. The key here is patience.

2) Keep an eagle eye out for online sales of new and used backpacks, including both local sales and sites like Ebay. But be aware that some unscrupulous sellers list Deuter packs that are several generations old as newer ones. Also, there are at least two vendors in Asia that sell Deuter copycats.

Feel free to PM me a link to whatever product you are considering and I will be happy to help.

3) When Deuter switched to these new models back in 2021, I was asked by a bunch of overseas members of my community to buy 2020 models for them since stocks had quickly depleted in their countries but we still had good socks here in the U.S. Most came to visit, picked up their packs and reimbursed me but a few could not. Consequently I still have a few Vario and Futura packs at hand which I would be willing to sell for the price I paid (I loathe haggling.) I will not ship anything (I don’t want the hassle and you would not want to pay the sky-high non-commercial price for an insured package of that size anyway) but if you live nearby or if you travel through the area, we could perhaps meet not too far from where I’m based at the moment. I live out in the mountains but I’m willing to drive a little, say within a roughly 75 miles radius of the intersection of I-70 and I-81 in the eastern U.S. (I do also occasionally travel for work, which might present other opportunities.) If you are interested, PM me with your first name, desired pack volume and torso length so that we may discuss this privately.

PS: why this high $300 price, which is about 25% above MSRP? It's simply because more and more people have wised up to the fact that the Vario is a better choice than the AirTrek. This price is simply the result of low supply and high demand, a situation which clever sellers take advantage of.

FAQ 25

I shoot a lot of skiddish wildlife. What packs do you folks use for long and heavy rigs and how do you get those in and out of the bag? Also, how do you protect your rig in case of a bad fall?

Please note: This FAQ completely replaces my original FAQ 7, published in Article 6. Also, I will post its more technical aspects in my R4 Resource which from now on will also be dedicated to all things related to DIY (Do It Yourself) posts about improvements made by their owners to backpacks and certain other gear.

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Here are the inside measurements (collar raised and then slightly cinched for obvious reasons) for the packs we use the most with long combos (go back to Articles 1 to 6 for more about these packs):

DFP40: 18" to the bottom divider, 24" to the actual bottom with divider unzipped (the DFP44EL is about 3” longer)

DFV60: 22" to the bottom divider, 29" to the actual bottom with divider unzipped

The CP44 works well too with up to 27" to the actual bottom with divider unzipped

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Rig Protection

All 5 options below offer varying degrees of protection for your rig or main lens, should you ever experience a crash. Speaking of which, you may safely ignore the armchair fearmongers who claim that you should be worried about damaging your cam every single time you take a fall, unless you keep it inside a bag or pack that looks like Fort Knox. Why? Well, let’s look at what actually happens during the main types of fall (in other words, not based on internet gossip but on events I and others in my community have personally experienced):

A – Small crashes such as falling on your butt

This almost always occurs on steep, slippery downhills (mud, unstable rocks, ice, etc.) and it actually happens to me about 20 times a year. The pack sometimes hits the ground pretty hard, but it only travels 2 to 3 feet until impact and in decades of hiking I have never damaged a lens of cam inside my backpack, even though, as many of you know, I tend to keep my small to medium rigs inside a “portable ICU” (small photo bag or waist bag) in my pack’s bottom compartment. In other words, a simple padded bag or ICU sitting on top of the rain cover offers about 1 inch of cushioning, which is sufficient protection against minor crashes. Anything that sits higher up in the pack is, obviously, even more protected.

B – Medium to severe crashes

Bottom line: when you are loosing your footing and tumbling down a ravine or a cliff (which I would surmise has not happened to 99% of you, but I can tell you from experience that this always happens by surprise) the last thing you want to worry about is your gear! Such crashes exert violent forces and often result in injuries, even when roped in, or in death.

Okay, so… you survived that fall, but what about your photo gear? Understand that because camera inserts have thin walls and dividers (only made of 1/4” to 1/2” thick foam) plus occasionally a thin layer of cardboard or TPU (plastic), they can only offer minimal protection. There is not a single ICU out there, whether built-in (Kata, Atlas, Think Tank, etc.) or free-standing (too many brands to list) that can offer your precious gear sufficient protection from anything from a (not uncommon) side fall on some rocks, to a severe crash down the mountain. The only way to achieve this is by placing it inside a thick PE Foam Cradle or Foam Shield (see options 4A and 4B below) and inside your backpack or any other pack.

Option 1: rig facing UP inside backpack

Some of us place our long rigs facing up inside the pack. This makes it easier to keep the lens hood on. Cam access is through the top of the backpack for very long rigs or via the front panel for shorter ones. The rig is usually surrounded by padding made of clothing, various compression packs used as organizers, etc.

Note that most polycarbonate and aluminum / magnesium alloy modern bodies have excellent structural integrity (bodies are tested to handle weights that are multiple times that of the heaviest lenses) and while we have had cracked lens hoods when those were kept extended, facing down (see how to avoid this issue below) inside the pack, we’ve had zero damage such as a cracked LCD or EVF, even with very long and heavy lenses sitting on top of the body on long hikes, with the rig facing up. Nevertheless, it is wise to place your rig above a few sheets of closed-cell foam, a jacket, a sleeping bag, etc.

Option 2: rig facing DOWN inside backpack, lens inside hard tube

Others prefer placing their rig facing down, lens first, inside a plastic or cardboard tube that is a tad wider and longer than the lens and/or hood (look for such tubes at your local hardware or art supplies store.) The cam body rests on the top rim of the tube (do add a 3/4 inch gasket closed-cell foam or rubber gasket there to ensure that the fn or other buttons close to the lens don’t rest on a hard surface), making the rig super easy to pull out or drop in. The area around the tube is filled with clothes or food which are still easy to access if needed via the front panel. Filling the side bellows pockets (DFV60) with gear also helps to keep the tube centered. Here, cam access is usually through the top only.

Option 3: rig facing down inside pack, lens inside foam tube

Same as above except that the tube is made of closed-cell foam that comes from a standard, inexpensive camping mattress pad (see R2 for details.) The (obvious) advantages are:

– You can make one in about 2 minutes. Just cut the foam and secure with strong tape or rivets.
– Super low cost.
– You can make it as thin or thick as you like, from about 1/3 inch (the thickness of most camera inserts’ walls and dividers) to several inches.
– There is no need to add a foam gasket at the top

Option 4: DIY Foam Cradle (excellent protection) or Foam Shield (ultimate protection)

4A: Foam Cradle

You drop your rig, with or without additional lenses and accessories, lens pointing down, in one single block of foam out of which you have carved one or more cavities. You therefore have good to excellent protection, (depending on the thickness of the shield) on 5 sides: bottom, front, back, left, right.

This is the best option if:

– you require lightning-quick access to your rig(s).

– you are not satisfied with the flimsy protection offered by the sides and dividers shipped with bags or ICUs. In this case, making one or more Foam Cradles for your most used rigs and lenses is a fantastic alternative.

This option works great with a waist pack, a small bag, a Side Bag (URL) or a front-carry backpack.

– you do not want the pack to “collapse” when empty, which makes your gear very hard to drop back in (a common problem with all waist packs fitted with an ICU or dividers.)

Note that you it’s entirely up to you to decide what type of Foam Cradle you desire.

Option 4A1

If you want pulling your rig(s) out and dropping them back in, to be super easy, simply carve the holes just a bit wide (1/4 inch is fine.) For example, this works great for one of our members who has a Mountainsmith Day carried on his front with a double-hole Cradle: one deep cavity for his Olympus EM5.3 + Oly 100-400 rig (this one is tall and sticks out, the body is removed when the pack needs to be zipped) and one shallow cavity for his Oly EM1.3 + Oly 12-45 rig (that one is short and easily fits inside.) With such an arrangement you obviously need to be mindful while hiking very technical sections (in this case our friend simply keeps one hand on top on both Oly bodies.)

Option 4A2

If you prefer to never have to worry about gear falling out, either close the top of your bag (assuming it’s deep enough to swallow all the gear) or make the holes very snug (see Technical Guide referenced below.) Note that you will obtain a level of protection very close to that of a Foam Shield if you make the holes both snug and deep enough so that the top of you rig and/or lenses sits about 1 inch below the top of your Cradle.

4B: Foam Shield
This one is composed of two half-blocks of foam. You drop your entire rig, with or without additional lenses and accessories, inside the lower block, which you have built to size, and then place the upper block of foam on top. You then wrap and lock the whole shield with anything you like (bungee cords, webbing straps, etc.) You now have very good to outstanding protection (depending on the thickness of the shield) on all 6 sides of your rig: top, bottom, front, back, left, right.

This is the best option if:

– you need an enclosure that is both highly protective and a perfect fit for your gear.

– you use very long lenses/rigs for which no truly protective case exists (for example, a Canon 1D series with one of the monster tele lenses) or the case adds a ton of weight and volume to the rig, like the ones offered by Apache (Harborfreight’s home-brand), Pelican or similar brands which are also hard, slippery and very difficult to fit inside a backpack.

– you want the flexibility to place the foam block facing up or down inside your pack, without ever worrying about any damage whatsoever, including to the hood when it is attached to the lens in its extended position.

In summary, while option 4B is by far your best option (and, to be realistic, your only option) if you desire custom, lightweight, supreme crash protection for your gear, my community uses any of the 5 options described above for anything from city strolls to hiking, climbing, mountain biking, risky water sports (bag or backpack goes inside a dry sack), motorcycling, ice caving, etc.

What foam to use and how? Please go to the updated R4 thread for my easy-to-use TECHNICAL GUIDE AND DIY with all the step-by-step details and post any question you may have about foam cradles or shields in that thread, not here (again, I am re-dedicating R4, which has far more remaining posts than this R1 thread, to certain types of Do It Yourself projects.)

FAQ 26

A year ago my wife bought me a backpack for my birthday. She knew that I wanted a TMP pack and that’s what the store’s clerk said he sold her, but I wonder if it really is a TMP. It was okay when I used it in the winter but as soon as the weather turns warmer it feels like the “3D ventilation” has no ventilation at all. Am I crazy? Did the salesman lie? It feels like my back is sweating even more than with the Pressure Panel packs I’ve owned before. I tried using it bare chest but the mesh that covers the whole back panel is made of a hard plastic material that is so uncomfortable that I had to put my shirt back on after just 10 minutes. It’s too late to return the backpack but my sweet wife wants to buy me a better one. Could you explain what NOT to buy, so that I could share that with her?

You are not crazy. But, before you place the blame on the salesman, understand that the poor guy almost certainly had little training on TMP versus PP packs, or even not training at all. The problem is with the manufacturers themselves, who design and build a great product, but then completely fail to explain to their sales channels and to the public, why a good TMP is a far better option for most people. How bad is it? I have already pointed out in Article/Post 2 that some brands describe their own backpanels as “suspended” when in fact they are tensioned, which is most definitely not the same thing (a bedsheet hanging from a clothesline is suspended… to apply tension to it, one would have to tie its lower edge to a lower clothesline as well.) I have also been told that some Hiking Shops print out my Articles 1 to 6 and post them in their backpack section, because the manufacturers never bothered to provide them with anything that explains the difference between a TMP and a PP pack! Now that does not reflect very well on the industry, does it?

Fortunately, there are easy ways to spot these “fake” TMP packs:

1) Stand the pack up and have a close look at the backpanel. Do you see 1/2 inch to 1.5 inch of truly unimpeded space along its sides? Can you slip your hand freely behind this tensioned mesh panel and run it up and down? Same thing at the top of the TMP, is there significant open space between the shoulder strap insertion points that allows heat and moisture generated by your body to traverse the TMP, rise and escape at the top? If all the above points are true, you can be certain that it is a TMP pack that will provide efficient, topnotch back ventilation.

2) Pay attention to the “creative” marketing terms used by the manufacturer. Looking at what’s being offered on the market as of this writing, the following words, as alluring as they may sound, are in fact big red flags, i.e. dead giveaways that the pack provides back panel ventilation that I would describe as anywhere from very poor to non-existent:

3D, breathable, structured, die-cut, compression molded, freeflow, molded foam, ridged foam, slotted foam, airmesh, matrix, anti-slip, etc.

How bad is this type of misrepresentation? It’s unfortunately becoming more and more common. Here are a couple of actual tests just to give you an idea (these are just examples, other brands are no better and sometimes much worse):

A – Deuter Aircontact Lite versus Deuter Aircontact Pro

Observe these two pictures and you will easily notice the design of the foam pads, which includes a central channel that runs the entire length of the backpanel on the Lite, whereas the Pro has one big foam pad at the bottom plus another foam pad between the shoulders.

Deuter Aircontact Lite

Deuter Aircontact Pro

The end result? I’ve owned both these packs and there’s no doubt that the Lite is far less of a sweat bucket in spring/summer than the Pro (which ironically is a more expensive pack! Anyhow, this is why I ended up using my Pro only in cold temperatures.)

Why such a difference? Well, warm air rises… Duh! That big foam pad at the bottom of the Pro completely blocks air intake at the top of your buttocks, precisely where a considerable amount of heat and sweat is generated… Not good! As to the upper central foam pad, although slightly recessed, it also blocks whatever little air intake there is on the sides at the midway point… Not good either! Incidentally, this also explain why the foam pads, which get “sweaty” quickly since these are Pressure Panel packs, dry far quicker on the Lite (typically 15-20 minutes in full sun.) The Pro absorbs much more sweat and is a total pain to use in temps above 50 degrees.

Anyhow, all of this is “Ventilation 101”, a class I’m sorry to have to say, many backpack designers clearly failed or did not attend. Why so many packs fail to provide a 2 inches wide air channel that starts at the bottom of the panel and allows hot air to naturally exhaust at the top is simply mind-boggling. We are talking about very basic physics here.

Of course, none of the above is an issue with TMP packs. Here, Deuter’s smaller Futura models shine even more since they feature a wide opening underneath the bottom of the mesh panel, allowing an absolutely massive air intake which, in conjunction with the air flowing through the sides of the TMP, constantly cools your back. The difference with for example a small Gregory TMP or a Decathlon MH500, both of which ventilate way better than a PP pack but have the bottom of the TMP sewn to the backpanel, is very noticeable.

B – Mountainsmith Day, previous versus current version

Previous versions of this great waist pack had standard foam pads (a wide one, unfortunately not split with a central channel, at the bottom of the backpanel plus two long-ish ones on the upper sides, leaving a very nice inverted-Y channel in between for upper ventilation.)

The most recent version has a one piece, rectangular backpanel made of foam with “ridges” (think jagged profile) that run horizontally, covered with nylon mesh. This design is also found in the Osprey Talon as well as quite a few photo packs.

As we were testing the leading waist packs, we noticed a big difference in ventilation between the two MS (Mountainsmith) versions, with all testers saying that the new one “runs much hotter” whether you wear it on your back or on your front. You could easily tell by just sliding your hand behind the backpanel. One was lukewarm to the touch, the other one was hot. But one of our members, an engineer who uses high-precision temperature instruments at work, brought his gear to the trail and took a bunch of measurements. Here is a very revealing one:

Ambient temperature: 60 degrees Fahrenheit

Backpanel temperatures after 20 minutes of brisk walking:

old MS Day, 66 degrees

new MS Day: 87 degrees

Clearly, the “old” model has vastly better ventilation and therefore cooling. What happens with the new one is that your body heat is trapped inside these horizontal foam ridges since it has no way to rise and escape. This would obviously be far less of an issue if the ridges were oriented vertically, which by the way would also allow for sweat to drip down at the bottom as well (one of our testers, a profuse sweater, noticed that his sweat would accumulate in between the ridges, with nowhere to go. He had to turn the pack sideways to let the sweat drip out when we took breaks.)

The temperature differences are even worse on the Osprey Talon, which also has a horizontally-ridged backpanel, but it’s covered by a 1 inch tall piece of fabric at the top that entirely blocks whatever tiny amount of heat could have escaped upward…

3) What do experienced users consider to be real ventilation on a backpack?
Here are the long-requested results of a poll I ran in my (now over thousand members strong) community about true, tested, actual backpack ventilation.

Does this matter? I remember a large poll conducted in Europe, where far more people walk and hike than anywhere else: over 95% of participants stated that they only hike in warm or hot weather so yes, true ventilation does matter!

Ratings are from 0 to 10 (worst to best.)

Deuter Vario and Futura, Vaude Brenta 50 / Cosyspeed Photohiker 44, etc.: 8/10*

Deuter Aircontact Lite: 4/10

Most other hiking/backpacking PP (Pressure Panel) packs: 3

All photo packs (all are PP except CP44 above which has a TMP suspension): 0-3

* Why do the class-leading Futura Pro or Vario TMP models not reach a score of 10? It’s simply because while the TMP itself offers near-perfect ventilation, the same cannot be said for the shoulder straps and padded hip belt. To this date, manufacturers have not been very inventive when it comes to providing sufficiently efficient ventilation systems for these other critical contact areas (I’ve designed a few myself, just for fun, so hey, it can definitely be done!)

Still not sure if a pack is an actual TMP? Do not waste thread posts by asking here, simply send me a PM with a link to the pack you are considering and I will be happy to help.

FAQ 27

What is the best-quality backpack brand?

Just like for most other industries, not only is there is no such thing as “the” best-quality brand, but this is an area where nothing is written in stone, even within a brand!

Think about it… Ford made, at the same time, some really great cars and their awful Pinto. Out of Renault’s assembly lines came the fantastic Alpine and the crappy Renault 5, etc. (I could go on and on.)

What I can tell you for sure is that all backpacks from the top brands are of similar and very good quality. The reason is that most are manufactured in Vietnam, a country that has not only a long tradition of excellence in stitching and sewing, but a very well trained workforce (high skills are a must here since some backpacks are made of over 200 different parts!) Their QC (Quality Control) is also usually very good.

Packs made in China, on the other hand, are a complete crapshoot. I have seen inexpensive ones with very decent quality and QC, such as the ones from Decathlon, and quite a few expensive photo and hiking bags with low quality that start showing problems after a few hundred hours of use, compared to many thousands of hours with, for example, our top-rated Deuter packs.

Whatever pack you buy, make sure it has a solid warranty and always check the “small print”!

FAQ 28

Most of my hikes involve lots of rain and wind (I don’t mind it because I grew up in this kind of weather.) I use some nice rain pants (no problem with those) plus my dad’s old fisherman jacket (it’s a bit snug for me but it’s still completely waterproof after so many years!) and either a daypack or a waist pack. What bothers me the most is that I always get “wetter inside” than outside, my top layers are just drenched with sweat within an hour or two! The rain ponchos I’ve tried leave my legs and forearms wet and that drives me crazy. How do you guys handle this? Also, when I use my backpack I like to keep my wide angle camera in a hip belt pocket but it’s only moderately waterproof. Is there a way to protect it other than using a plastic bag inside the pocket?

1) Rain jacket

I understand how attached you are to that old jacket you inherited from your dad, but I’m afraid you would be better off using it only for short outings in town. The problem is that any rain jacket that is snug traps your body heat. As you walk, even minimal perspiration (our “natural cooling system”) produces significant condensation inside the jacket, which has nowhere to go and in turn soaks the clothes that are trapped inside. Forget all the “breathable” marketing claims which are pure BS and look for a rain jacket that has the following features:

– seamed, waterproof and windproof fabric

– one to two sizes larger than what you normally wear (this varies widely with brands) which allows you to move freely and permits enough air circulation. In other words, if you are a size L, buy XL or XXL.

– an elastic cinch cord at the bottom, which is your “fresh air intake” to keep loose most of the time and only cinch tight when you are facing extreme winds or cold.

– sufficiently long “pit zips.” These are two-way side zippers that should run roughly from below your elbow to the middle of your sides. These are your primary “moist air exhaust conduits.”

– an easily and precisely adjustable hood cinch mechanism. This is important because the lower part of the hood (chin area) is your secondary “moist air exhaust conduit.”

– a wide, rigid and adjustable built-in visor (brim.) These are great and ideally give you a bit of protection from rain and wind as you compose your shots. But, because I’m yet to find one that is deep/long enough (4 inches would be best) I have resorted to use an old trapper hat with a large brim in the winter, and a tennis visor which I waterproofed with silicone spray in spring and summer.

– A truly waterproof front zipper with a generous “zipper garage” at the top. Without this, water can enter via the zipper carrier, run down your chest and then wet your pants (not a pleasant experience!)

Tips:

– There is no way to prevent the area underneath the shoulder straps from getting soaked with perspiration, but you can greatly attenuate this issue by using your pack’s load lifter straps (see FAQ 20) a few times every hour in order to let air circulate in that area (yet another reason why manufacturers should include real load lifters on all backpacks!)

– Always buy your rain jacket locally. Put your normal underlayers on and head out to your outdoor retailer(s) to try it on.

2) Poncho

Like most others in my community I have used tons of those but I will tell you that the only poncho out there that does a good job in your type of weather is actually a one-piece backpack cover/rain jacket combination called The Packa (http://www.thepacka.com/why-the-packa.html.) It was designed by a smart gentleman named Edward Hinnant, a hiker based in the USA. It’s the kind of simple, brilliant design that has almost completely disappeared in the outdoors industry (the Deuter Vario torso adjustment system is another, rare example.) Before you start your hike or walk on any “iffy-weather-day” you simply place the Packa on top of your backpack as a pack cover. If and when the rain starts, the ingenious Packa system allows you to quickly pull the rain jacket section over your head, without dropping your pack! It’s also got great ventilation, plus it folds into a nice little pocket that makes a pretty comfy pillow as long as you cover it with something soft (I use a fleece shirt or sweater) among other qualities. As I discovered after finding nowhere to pitch tent at dusk on a steep mountainside during a fierce storm with non-stop rain and high winds, the Packa also makes an excellent shelter: I laid my z-mat down, slipped my legs inside my emergency bivvy and leaned against my backpack which was itself leaning on a large rock. When I started up again after that cold and sleepless night, I was very sore but I had remained bone dry.

The only downside I can think of for the Packa is actually common to all ponchos. Just like rain jackets it does not have a satisfactory visor and I use the same tricks as described above.

I would strongly advise choosing the 30D fabric option. At around $100 shipped in the USA (but Mr, Hinnant occasionally runs sales on existing stock, see http://www.thepacka.com/contact-us.html ) the Packa is twice the price of those crappy, flimsy ponchos but about only one third the price of a quality rain jacket with the features listed above. It may well last you a lifetime and I’ve never seen anything on the market that remotely competes. I have crossed path with countless thru-hikers with a Packa on the trails and I highly recommend it.

3) Hip belt pockets protection

This is an old trick that you can use to cover and protect those hip belt pockets, which a backpack’s standard rain cover obviously does not. Simply cut a couple of 12 inch long sections from the sleeves of an old (but still waterproof) rain jacket or poncho, or from the legs of old rain pants and slide them over the waist belt pockets. You want them to be wide enough to allow for a quick pull backwards when you need to access items in your belt pockets. Use a clip or a rubber band to tie the front end to your main waist strap to keep the front section from sliding forward too much. When not in use, I just keep these sleeves in my pack’s lid pocket, where they hardly take up any space.

4) Hiking Umbrella

These work great for sun or rain protection for some people. See FAQ 17 for the DIY. As long as there’s little to no wind, this solution could work for you as well.

FAQ 29

I am just back from a tour of my area’s hiking stores and I have a bunch of questions!
1 – I was interested in some of the new backpacks, especially from Osprey and Gregory. I liked some of what I saw but I’m an Engineer and one thing I do not understand is why many of their models compress via jagged (Z-shaped) side straps. Aren’t those less efficient than horizontal straps? Why do they use this design?
2 – What to think of the 2022 Baltoro 65? It has a new backpanel with a big center rubberized area at the bottom.
3 – Some of the packs I liked have the lower compression straps run over the middle or the top part of the side pockets. Does that not make it hard to access a water bottle or a camera when the pack is loaded and compressed? Could I fix that myself?
4 – Lastly, what do you think of those whistles that are integrated to the sternum strap on some backpacks?

1 – Side compression straps

Yes, “Z-routing” is very inefficient since the straps run at 45 degrees instead of the optimal 90 degrees (I had touched upon this already in Articles 2 and 3) which means among other things that you need to exert far more force to compress a fully-loaded pack (lashing a tripod or anything to the side straps can also be quite difficult.) But since they have made those long Z straps much thinner, they are too flimsy to handle the compression forces and they can break. This is not uncommon on the Osprey Exos/Eja models (they still haven’t fixed that on the 2022 versions, go figure…)

Frankly, I could not begin to understand why both brands use this poor system. What everyone can see is that these two companies have been copying each other’s designs (good or bad) over the last few years, so I would surmise that they just “keep on keepin’ on.” For how long? The holding group “Helen of Troy” bought Osprey last year (a 414 million dollars transaction) and has recently taken over their upper management. Time will tell what happens next with their product lines but based on industry cycles, I would not expect to see anything really new or different until 2024.

2 – I haven’t tested the 2022 Baltoro 65 myself yet, but one of my mentors recently used one, first in the Rockies and then in the desert, where he has a residence. Here’s a short summary of what he told me: “The new shoulder straps are awesome, they can finally pivot, like the Deuters have done for years, and they are possibly the most comfortable ones ever made for a backpack. The new backpanel is okay in cold temps but really bad in hot temps. It’s got extremely poor ventilation and that “ComfortGrip lumbar pad “ rubber patch at the bottom is one of the most egregious things I have ever experienced on a pack. The last thing a hiker needs is to have any part of the backpanel stick to his body! That creates a hot and sticky pressure spot and that can also become dangerous when you’re scrambling with a loaded pack because that part of the backpanel is stuck and does not follow your spine’s movements. My whole lower back area turned into a nasty and sticky mess every time I went into the desert. They have kept that awful torso length adjustment with a small chunk of velcro. And the new price is way too high, I had to buy the rain cover separately and the whole kit set me back nearly 400 bucks with tax.”

Here’s my suggestion: if you want a Gregory pack in this volume range, try a Focal 58 instead. The shoulder straps’ comfort is a notch below the new Baltoro’s (but still okay) and there are flimsy Z-straps on the sides, but the backpanel is a TMP with very good ventilation, the dual-access side pockets are awesome as long as you don’t bushwhack across thorns and the hip belt pockets are much bigger than the puny ones Osprey put on their new Exos 58. If you can live with top-access only, the Focal is a very nice pack (the Zulu 65 has triple access but the ventilation is better on the Focal.)

3 – Yes, the “over only” design definitely does make it hard to access a water bottle or a cam when the pack is loaded and compressed. This is not a problem on the Deuter Vario which has a clever “over/under” lower compression strap design but it’s a pain-in-the-rear on many packs, including other Deuters.

There is a reasonably easy fix but I don’t think you can do it yourself (unless you are very good at sewing) so you probably want to take your pack to a sewing or upholstery shop. Here is what needs to be done for 3/4 inch straps, which is the standard width:
a – tighten the strap over the side pocket, lift it a little and make 2 one inch long marks on the pocket, about one inch away from each edge.

b – loosen the strap and disassemble it. Using a sharp knife or cutter, make two 2 one inch long cuts where you made the marks.
c – use one of two techniques to prevent the edges of the slits from fraying, which can quickly rip the pocket and make it unusable. The first one is to make multiple rows of a tight sewing pattern around the slit, which will prevent fraying. The second (much stronger) one is to make an identical slit on a 2x2 square of nylon or leather, and then stitch that to the pocket as above.
d – run each end of the strap though a slit, reach through the top of the pocket and reassemble the strap. You now have an “over/under” strap which you can compress as much as you like while still being able to access whatever is in the pocket.

4 – Those strap whistles are extremely weak and pretty much useless.

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Reminder about Private Messages

I have no problem helping fellow photographers via Private Messages. In fact, given DPR’s limitations to the number of posts on each thread, I encourage it and I have helped many people this way. Here is what really helps me… help you!

When you PM me for advice on backpacks, etc. make sure you provide me with these few facts:

– your torso length (see R1 thread, FAQ 2)

– links to product pages for the packs you are looking at

– your country (if in U.S., your state often helps too)

– I also appreciate knowing your first name. You know mine, and this makes the conversation more friendly and less impersonal.

OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
BEST BACKPACK FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS: FAQ 30
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Hooray, I’ve got my new backpack! Can you help me make sure that it is properly adjusted to my body?

This is a question I get all the time: from visiting newbie hikers within my community, from local hiking groups I have been mentoring for many years, or on this forum via Private Messages.

As easy it is for me to stand next to someone and help them understand how their backpack is designed and how to make the right adjustments, this is something that I unfortunately cannot do “over the internet.”

I would refer you instead to this solid REI tutorial which is a good starting point: https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/backpacks-adjusting-fit.html

Take all the time you need to read and understand this tutorial’s main points. Note that it also has a nice segment about measuring your TL (Torso Length) although I was a bit surprised that their video did not show the very clever TL tool they have in their stores. Note that I had provided key TL info in Article 6, FAQ 2 as well.

Here are a few comments and tips I am happy to share on this subject, in no particular order.

A – Backpanel / harness adjustments and settings

If your pack has an adjustable TL mechanism, start with that.

However, it’s important to understand that one, any length markings you may find on the backpanel (some have them, some do not) are not an absolute number and two, the human anatomy can vary enormously. For example, an old friend and I have the same TL, but he has a very concave chest with steeply sloping shoulders with a nearly 3 inches drop, versus my “flat-ish” shoulders, and as a result we both use different packs and different strap settings. In other words, just because you have a 20 inch TL does not mean that the 20 inch marking on the pack will be best for you. It could well end up being the 18 inch, or the 21 inch mark. You may also end up being more comfortable with a slightly different TL adjustment when hiking with loads over 40-50 pounds.

B – Shoulder straps settings

This is a bit technical so please hang with me…

1– Fixed-length backpanels (the majority of backpacks)

While many shoulder straps can adjust up or down about 8 inches in total (sometimes more) honest and competent brands will list the actual usable range on such packs at no more than 3 to 4 inches: for example, model WX28 fits 15 to 18 inches torsos.

Of course you do have another 4 inches or so of strap length to work with, which gives you more leeway, but for your pack’s harness to work optimally, this extra length should only be used for additional adjustments on the trail once your original setting fits as it should, i.e. with the waist belt resting on top of your iliac crest (hip bones.) Only then do you have those extra adjustments needed on the trail (see below) when conditions change (see below.) Incidentally, this is also why, for example, a pack that is designed for 15-18 inches torsos often also fits a 19 inches torso. All you have to do is loosen the lower shoulder straps’ glides once everything else is adjusted.

2– Adjustable-length backpanels

Once you’ve adjusted the TL you can cinch your shoulder straps. Note that the cinching amount may be quite different with a 20 pound load versus a 40 pound with PP packs (TMP packs automatically spread the load and are much more forgiving in this regard.)

Tips:

– Cinching your shoulder straps equally on both sides is more difficult than it seems and many newbies pull one side higher than the other. This can produce significant spinal stress, even with light loads, especially with Pressure Panel packs. Always look down and verify that both strap ends have about the same length. If straps have a light color, I tell beginners to mark every inch with a thin permanent marker, which makes this important adjustment much easier.

– Do not be afraid to experiment and alter your strap settings (adjusting my pack ten or more times a day is perfectly normal for me, and I didn’t exactly start hiking yesterday!) Also, just because your hiking buddy likes to loosen his shoulder straps a little on downhills and do the opposite uphill, does not necessarily mean that you should too. In fact, the very opposite may well work better for your own body.

– The aforementioned extra 4 inches or so of shoulder strap length you have to work with, means that the TL range stated by the manufacturer can usually be extended by 1 inch on the low end and 2 inches on the high end. For example, Deuter lists a 16-22 inch range for the Vario 50+10 but friends with 15, 23 and 24 inch TL use it without problems.

C - Belt buckle

1 – Some brands make big claims about their “easier, pull forward” cinching design. I have never found it superior to the standard “pull backward” design. Companies like Osprey make things much worse by not bothering to provide a strap sleeve in their waist belt, resulting in a long loose strap end constantly hitting the hiker’s thighs and crotch areas.

2 – There are two reasons why you should never have to cinch your waist belt super tight to prevent to prevent the pack from “flopping or dropping” excessively (if this happens, you’ve done something wrong with your other settings, or perhaps you are trying to use a pack that is not a good fit for your body.)

One, your belly button area, which is where the belt buckle ends up for most people (plus or minus a couple inches depending on how you are built) expands and contracts quite a bit while breathing, and limiting breathing capabilities is not exactly a good idea. And two, if you cinch the belt too tight while wearing just a thing layer or nothing, which is pretty much what most hikers do in hot weather, the belt and buckle’s constant chafing can create burns and even cut into your skin (I can tell you that it is painful…)

Bottom line, you want to have a slightly loose belt adjustment.

D - Shoulder wrap

1 – By this critical pack adjustment step, we mean the part of the shoulder strap that wraps over the top of your shoulders, starting out back where the shoulder strap is attached to the backpanel and wrapping over your clavicle bone and then onto your chest out front. You ideally want this wrap to roughly form an inverted U that is 2 to 3 inches tall on the backside (not 1-2 inches as REI says since with a 1 inch drop almost guarantees a bad load spread.)

Notes

a – Although it’s hard to actually quantify, you ideally want to have 70% to 80% of your fully loaded pack resting on your hips. While this happens automatically with any properly adjusted TMP pack, it’s really important to understand that this is actually impossible to achieve with a PP (Pressure Panel) backpack for the simple reason that every single point of direct contact between the backpanel and the entire length your back, is a Pressure Point that absorbs some of the weight (this is why even the best PP packs such as some Deuter AirContact models ((see FAQ26) can only transfer 40% to 60% of the load to your hips and legs.) So yes – and I was surprised not to see this mentioned by REI - this does mean that even with the best PP pack, you will still have at least 40% of the load supported by your Shoulder Wrap, which is why it is so important.

b – I cannot say this enough: trying on a pack that is empty is entirely meaningless. Trying on a loaded pack by standing still in a store is not much better. Taking all your hiking and photo gear to the store, loading them in various packs and walking around, preferably up and down stairs, before making your purchase is an absolute must (you have done this, haven’t you, LOL? Whoops…) See also FAQ 1.

Anecdote: I once tried to help a fellow photographer here on DPR who told me via PM that the pack he had just bought (a model I know very well for having used it over countless miles) was causing him “agonizing pain” after just a few minutes when he had tried it, loaded with a only few pounds, in his… living room (a sad, textbook example of what not to do… but hey, the pack was easy to blame!)

2 – Without (again) being too technical, I need to point out that REI also missed another critical pack adjustment area, which is the distance between the tops of both shoulder straps. This one is just as important as the wrap but I will readily admit that this is also a tricky area with quite a few parameters dictated by the pack’s design: do the shoulder strap insert point pivot? Are the straps straight or S-shaped? If so, by how much? Is the distance between the tops of both shoulder straps actually adjustable? Etc.

I will simply say this: once your pack is loaded and adjusted, your shoulder straps should produce zero chafing on the sides of your neck, and zero pinching in your armpit area.

3 – You may safely ignore the advice of always setting a 45% angle for the load lifters. That angle is not possible on most smaller packs (many actually lack load lifters) and there are lots of other variables anyway (here again, TMP packs give you more leeway.) Plus, as I've explained before, most are simply load adjusters/tensioners that permit little to no actual lifting (see Article 2 and FAQ 20.)

E - Sternum strap

1 – Avoid setting your sternum strap at an angle (not horizontal) or setting it too low on your chest (yes, that leaves more space for your armpits but that also restricts your breathing) two mistakes I often see on the trail.

2 – If you are lucky enough to own a pack that has, not a simple straight webbing strap with quick buckle, but the superior design that incorporates a short section of elastic strap (found on many Mountainsmith and Deuter packs) you can keep your sternum strap a little more snug since the elastic will absorb the slack without making you uncomfortable. This simple, brilliant design (a slightly longer loop of hard webbing over the elastic prevents it from ever breaking) is also a great feature for trail running or hiking through technical sections.

F - What adjustment to start with?

The only constants are to set your TL first (assuming your pack has that feature) and cinch your shoulder straps last (see also FAQ 22) which is plain common sense. For the rest, there are too many variables. Just try different ways and develop your own techniques.

Other tips

Heavy pack? Make clever use Mother Nature’s resources!

When it’s time to take a break, try to find a large rock or a big log on top of which to drop your pack (just watch out for fun little surprises like fire ants or poison ivy… speaking from personal experience, LOL) This way you just need to unbuckle sternum and belt (I personally never loosen my shoulder straps when just taking my pack off) and you will not have to heave that pack from that low ground all the way up onto your back when you start again.

Oh, and when you’re done with your lunch, take your shoes off, lie on your back and elevate your feet for ten minutes on top of that rock or against a tree trunk… you might be surprised by the results.

Be humble enough to adapt

I once hiked the last steep ascent towards the trailhead of one of my favorite day hikes (a gorgeous 33-miler, all up and down) actually walking backwards and at a snail’s pace. Why on earth did I do that? Well, the pack I was testing made a horrible squeak on one side, but I had found that the noise subsided if I placed my hand below the pack on that side and lifting a little, so I ended up spending all day doing that… Meanwhile, as my awesome Physio explained later, this was putting excessive pressure on my opposite knee, which in turn reawakened an ancient track injury, which resulted in a case of massive tendinitis. No amount of massaging or stretching would help, and I actually had no “push-off” left on that leg anymore. Walking was therefore impossible, unless, as I discovered, I moved backwards, toe first, and very slowly. And that’s how I finally made it back to my car…

Core strength

By far the two strongest and fastest people I have ever hiked with were not body builders or weight lifters, but yoga professionals. Both are thin as beans but they have a phenomenal power to body weight ratio, due to their superlative core strength. Still, they always do a gentle warmup before hitting the trail. Food for thought !

See also FAQ 20 for techniques that can make a huge difference for you on the trail or on a walk.

Be flexible in your approach

Always listen to your body and be open-minded about adjusting your pack setup. Remember that things like your fatigue level, weather conditions or the trail’s profile can change very quickly out there. This means that your pack setup should, in turn, adapt as well.

I hope this quick overview will be of help. Questions? Send me a Private Message.

FrankieB42
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Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)
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Just noticed Deuter released their own Futura model aimed at photographers:

https://www.deuter.com/lt-en/shop/backpacks/p662814-camera-bag-futura-pro-jaypack-36

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Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

FrankieB42 wrote:

Just noticed Deuter released their own Futura model aimed at photographers:

https://www.deuter.com/lt-en/shop/backpacks/p662814-camera-bag-futura-pro-jaypack-36

Hi Frankie

Yes, I was aware of this but while this pack might appear attractive at first, I didn't mention it here for two reasons:

1) Unfortunately it's based on the 2021 Futura/AirTrek models with the same severe downsides, particularly the old style, hard-edged shoulder straps (not soft-edged as per their new and disappointingly untruthful marketing - in fact there must be a reason why all their other new, larger models still have the far better, soft-edge (wrap around) shoulder straps...) These are just awful while wearing a single layer or hiking bare-chest (see Article 2), even when carrying a light load such as would be the case with this 36L.

2) The link you posted shows "availability" but this seems to actually be the case in very few countries. It's even worse for some flagship models (not TMP, unfortunately) that were announced a year ago by Deuter and still haven't shipped to stores worldwide.

Anyway, this new pack could have been great for some folks, given that it comes with a custom ICU, but it's yet another case of one step forward, one (or two) step backward, which sadly seems to be the norm these days with the major pack manufacturers.

I would recommend instead a 2017-2020 Futura or Vario with one or more ICUs (for those who organize their photo gear this way.)

nhr5005 Regular Member • Posts: 137
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Interesting, thanks for the link! I hadn't seen these when I was shopping before. I might at very least try out the camera cube, it looks like it might have a tapered shape to better pop out of the main bags with the front zip, like my Vario. It might work a little better than my current insert which is better for top (under the "brain") access.

The Jaypack 34+ also looks interesting (despite the typical back flap that Chris advises against--and also hope you're not hiking with that much gear! haha).

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D Lynch Veteran Member • Posts: 5,428
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Chris 222 wrote:

FrankieB42 wrote:

Just noticed Deuter released their own Futura model aimed at photographers:

https://www.deuter.com/lt-en/shop/backpacks/p662814-camera-bag-futura-pro-jaypack-36

Hi Frankie

Yes, I was aware of this but while this pack might appear attractive at first, I didn't mention it here for two reasons:

1) Unfortunately it's based on the 2021 Futura/AirTrek models with the same severe downsides, particularly the old style, hard-edged shoulder straps (not soft-edged as per their new and disappointingly untruthful marketing - in fact there must be a reason why all their other new, larger models still have the far better, soft-edge (wrap around) shoulder straps...) These are just awful while wearing a single layer or hiking bare-chest (see Article 2), even when carrying a light load such as would be the case with this 36L.

2) The link you posted shows "availability" but this seems to actually be the case in very few countries. It's even worse for some flagship models (not TMP, unfortunately) that were announced a year ago by Deuter and still haven't shipped to stores worldwide.

Anyway, this new pack could have been great for some folks, given that it comes with a custom ICU, but it's yet another case of one step forward, one (or two) step backward, which sadly seems to be the norm these days with the major pack manufacturers.

I would recommend instead a 2017-2020 Futura or Vario with one or more ICUs (for those who organize their photo gear this way.)

Hi Chris

Way-back I attended the Nikon School in Ottawa Canada. Call that about 1973

We all brought our gear of the day.

First assignment: Stow your camera as you would carry it. Later, on cue, take a photo. It was amazing how long it took to take a photo.

Point is a camera stored can't take a photo. The Pro gave us all a number of hints.

And we got to look at a Pro's photos for a day and a half. It was very inspiring. And I switched from Asahi Pentax, 2 bodies and lenses, to Nikon F2. (sucker. The Pentax lenses were excellent and sometimes better, and always cheaper.)

We all approach photography in a different way. As a pro you can't sell an image you didn't get.

Now though I look at my packs I don't use, regret buying them, and wish I could find one that's easy to work from. Like my MindShift Photocross 13, my old Think Tank Turnstyle 20's. And the pretty bag that's not in the same league, my Peak Design 6L sling.

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Hanno van Tartu
Hanno van Tartu Contributing Member • Posts: 560
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First things first. I asked Chris if anyone would be interested in an old(er) man's point of view on the previous (2017-2020) model of the Deuter Futura Pro 36 rucksack (DFP36). He suggested that I write my thoughts in the framework of his R1 -- that means here. I could have started my own thread, but I gladly accept his permission/invitation.

For younger readers, it is helpful to understand that I too was young once, but now I am nearing the end of my 72nd year. I have hiked a lot and did not know about carrying the weight on the hips or carrying much water. Even 15 years ago, I used to fill up my water bottle at the level of Natal Drakensberg Contour Path (about 2000 m above sea level). In the summer, one could find drinkable water nearer to the 3000 m level. We were not much used to hiking down the mountain trails -- it was more fun to run/race down. Sometimes, near the end of a difficult climb or scramble, we hid our rucksacks and trekking poles in the bushes or between rocks and climbed the final bit just with the camera in the hand.

That was then. Now, even a 2- or 3-hour hike off the road with only 500 m altitude change and 12 kg load is no longer a joke. Apart from the physical exercise aspect, the most pleasurable parts are the coffee break in fresh air, photography (especially in the flowering spring time) and general enjoyment of unpolluted nature away from the overpopulated and over-polluted urban centers. I generally carry between 12 and 14 kg during the hikes -- for me and the Mrs.

Until about two months ago, I was satisfied with my Deuter ACT Trail 32 rucksack. It was claimed to be "revolutionary" when I bought it -- it has a non-metallic frame that transfers (some) load to the hips and has very useful front access -- see the first two of the attached photos. After Chris wrote about the differences between pressure back-panels (PP) and tensioned mesh panels (TMP) and because most of my present-day hikes are at around 26 to 30 degrees C, I started noticing how much I perspired. I consciously tried to shift the majority of the weight onto the waist belt and take the pressure off my upper back, but never quite succeeded. In order to carry a 12 kg load, I had to tighten the waist belt so hard that it became very uncomfortable after a few tens of minutes. Without this tightening, the whole rucksack slid down my buttocks. A minor point was, that I could not easily fit a reasonably sized tripod inside the ACT Trail 32.

DFP36 on the left and ACT Trail 32 on the right: front view. The ACT has a generous front access.

DFP36 on the left and ACT Trail 32 on the right: rear view.

Because I have for years liked Deuter products and on the implied advice of Chris, I wanted to buy either a previous generation DFP40 or Deuter Futura Vario 50+10 (DFV60). I no longer need the volume of 60 liters, but I very much like the front access of DFV60, which is not present in DFP40. Sadly, I could not find a vendor that still had either of these pre-2020 models. Chris tried to help and found an eBay seller that had one DFV60 available. After reading very negative feedback about faulty shipping/packing methods of this seller, I had to pass. I lowered my expectations and found more than one seller with the pre-2020 version of DFP36! I bought the blue one in photos above.

(A side note: I tried in a shop the latest version of DFP40. They had only 7.5 kg load to test this rucksack. The size would have suited me and it was very comfortable on my back -- perhaps more than my DFP36. The DFP40 is taller than the DFP36. The latter is specified to torso lengths of up to 20 inches. I measured my torso length as 19 inch, but I feel the DFP36 is at its limit on my back and the load-lifters have no effect. I know what Chris says about the new shoulder straps, but to me they were comfortable in the air-conditioned shop. These new shoulder straps look the same as my old ACT Trail 32 straps -- and I lived with them many years. However, I also know that 12 or 14 kg makes a big difference in respect of shoulder straps, especially after an hour or two in hot weather! Since I have no real experience with the newest Futura design I cannot be sure, but I do not like the exposed zips -- I feel more confident with the covered/protected zips on my DFP36.)

I have used my new DFP36 on a number of my typical summer hikes with my wife. The TFP36 volume has been entirely sufficient for what I normally carry. Paraphrasing Thom Hogan, older people still use real cameras with big lenses. I seem to fit into that category in both senses: the age and my big cameras. But this combination leads to my necessity to carry a solid tripod. Since both I and the Mrs have slowed our pace despite being healthy and fit, I am physically able to carry loads that I did not (need to) carry 10 years ago. My favourite tripod is a modified Gitzo GT-2540 LLVL. The next photo compares it to my Feisol CT-3442 Tournament and my Leofoto LS-284C tripods.

Left to right: Leofoto, Feisol, Gitzo.

I measured the camera viewfinder height above ground in the photo above. It is 1.375 m for Leofoto on the left, 1.6 m for Feisol in the middle, and 1.665 for Gitzo on the right. The D810 on Gitzo is a little too high for my height of 1.73 m, but I can use it on uneven ground in nature.

Left to right: Nikon D7100, D700, and D810. Obviously, I like short ball heads.

I carry one or two of the above three cameras. I like to keep the ball head attached to the tripod -- I change them sometimes at home. Hence, the Gitzo does not fit inside the DFP36 -- see the next photo.

Left to right: Feisol folded over the ball head, Leofoto tightly closed, DFP36, and my favourite Gitzo.

The as configured Feisol and Leofoto weigh the same 1.5 kg. When I need height, I carry Feisol. Mostly, the height of Leofoto is suffient for my needs and it leaves me additional space in the rucksack. The next photo shows the photography equipment I mostly carry with me -- plus the unavoidable water and coffee in stainless steel thermos flasks.

To give an idea what I take with me -- not all at the same time. D810 and D700 are in the ThinkTank and Alpine holsters respectively.

I may take the Leofoto tripod naked, if I need space in the rucksack. But usually, I carry it inside its original padded bag. This way, it is easy to take it out and return into the rucksack without any need to remove other items. In the next photo, I show a typical collection of Leofoto in its bag, the 400 mm Nikkor in the padded pouch, D810 with Tamron midrange f/2.8 zoom lens in the ThinkTank holster, the 20 mm Nikkor in a small pouch. I may, carry the 10x42 Athlon binoculars on my chest in the shown chest pouch, but sometimes I leave it in the rucksack. The turquoise hammock is a must for the Mrs. while I take photos during our coffee breaks -- when we are in a forest. Often, I leave the long lens at home and take a folding camping chair of the same packed volume with us on our hikes. The D7100 with a manual focus Nikkor 28-50 mm f/3.5 AIS lens goes naked on top of other things in the rucksack -- I have two of them and they are strong and truly cheap second hand.

This fits easily in the DFP36 with unzipped divider floor.

The two taller thermos flasks fit perfectly (with the stainless steel mug and cup) in the zipped side compartments on either side of the DFP36. However, the bottom flexible mesh pockets become useless for anything as tall as a normal water bottle. I have some "toiletry" tools on the near side and the short 400 ml bottle on the other side -- where it is a really tight fit.

There is some room left in the rucksack, but not much.

The mass of this load is about 14 kg.

I think I have got used to this rucksack by now. I do not really miss the front access that I did use with the ACT Trail 32. I do not use the divider floor. I almost never use the bottom access -- it is not really made for such bulky items like the big ThinkTank camera holster. I can see how it could be of use in overnight or multi-day trekking, but we do not do that. I pack the hammock and the rope at the bottom and could easily access them through the bottom zipped opening. But when we have a sufficiently long break, I take everything out through the top access anyway. Incidentally, I am still amazed by how quickly the padding in the belt and straps dries during our breaks!

Some words about load distribution between hips and shoulders. The harness of DFP36 is significantly more comfortable than that of my ACT Trail 32. However, I expected more from the generously padded waist belt. I fiddle with its tension and position during my hike sections -- we usually hike for 1.5 to 2 hours before the first break. I know about the need to breath and so on. I seem to have a genetic lack of width in my hip bones and I am not overweight. When I position the belt so that about 50% of its width is above the top of my hip bone, then it is comfortable for a while until it slowly slides down and transfers most of the load to my shoulders. To avoid this slippage, I have to raise the waist belt so that the buckle is at or above my belly button. But then I am compressing the short ribs just above my hip bones -- is that supposed to be like that? Also, this belt position interferes with the diaphragm movement for breathing. I cannot see any difference in the latest version of the waist belt design.

In conclusion, I think I am lucky to have found the previous generation DFP36.

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
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Great write-up Hanno!

Such "slippage" is a rare occurrence that is almost certainly due to your very narrow hips (but believe me, it's far better than having the extreme opposite problem...)

See Article 6, FAQ 20, paragraph 4 for an imperfect but reasonable workaround which would be best 2-3 times per hour in your case (it's actually fun and useful core work!)

Problem is, Deuter builds only a roughly 1" long loop at the loose end of their load lifters, barely enough for a forefinger or sometimes a thumb, and hard to push up and forward for more than a few seconds with sizeable loads. The easiest solution to that is to take the pack to your cobbler, have them un-stitch the end loop and either re-stitch it at about 5" long, or if you want to keep the full original range on the lifters, have them add another 11" length of webbing to make a nice 5" loop.

To prevent that longer lifter from dangling or flopping around, either slip it under the mid-chest horizontal webbing on the shoulder straps, or add a little elastic strap to the webbing stretch part of the load lifter that rests directly against the top of the shoulder strap, and secure it under that elastic strap .

Hope this makes sense. Feel free to PM if it doesn't.

jclin10 Regular Member • Posts: 320
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Is it possible to find a Deuter Futura Pro 40 (2019) anymore? Are they available anywhere?

I looked into the Cosyspeed, but it’s unavailable due to a supply chain issue, unfortunately

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jclin10 wrote:

Is it possible to find a Deuter Futura Pro 40 (2019) anymore? Are they available anywhere?

I looked into the Cosyspeed, but it’s unavailable due to a supply chain issue, unfortunately

It's become nearly impossible.

This being said, I have helped some folks find one in certain parts of the world.

Such conversations may take many messages and do not belong in this thread, so PM me with your first name, country/state, and TL (Torso Length) and I will see what I can do for you.

jclin10 Regular Member • Posts: 320
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Does anyone have recommendations for a current model TMP around 30-40 liters that has side and/or front panel access? Unfortunately, I probably have to compromise and not hold out to find an earlier generation DFP40

omer_42 New Member • Posts: 1
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Chris 222 wrote:

Post 2: Our multi-days TMP “reference” photo hiking backpacks

Luckily for us, in 1984 Deuter (born 1898) obliterated this archaic PP concept by inventing a game-changing system that keeps your pack very close to your back, but not right against it. They replaced the full or partial Pressure Panel (PP) with a Tensioned Mesh Panel (TMP, sometimes called a “trampoline” panel) that connects at the top with an internal curved frame made of a special lightweight steel which bends in, towards your center of gravity, as you add weight to the pack. At the bottom, the TMP seamlessly connects to a wide, anatomically-shaped, wrap-around-your-hips ventilated belt that comfortably rests on your iliac crests.

Note: some in the industry call this system “suspended mesh panel.” This is both incorrect – “suspension” is not synonym of “tension” (even less in Engineering circles) and unfortunate as it needlessly confuses potential customers.

Here is a quick overview of the advantages of the Tensioned Mesh Panel system (when and if your pack is properly loaded and adjusted):
1) It eliminates constant pressure points (hot spots, pain spots.)
2) It allows for true back ventilation and moisture management. While the difference is obvious even for people who are “light sweaters” like me, it is absolutely huge for “heavy sweaters”, many of whom rediscovered the joys of walking and hiking thanks to TMP packs. And no more of that often-highly-acidic sweat dripping down your back and resulting in anal burns or yeast infections, another big bonus!
3) It spreads the load evenly and in a far more forgiving manner (PP packs are notorious for requiring a perfectly balanced load, which is why adding for example just a small tripod on one side often throws your balance off) and transfers the load effortlessly between your hip and shoulders. This in turn gives you a vastly more stable ride on the trail both uphill, where up to 90% of the load transfers to your hips (the rest is obviously handled by the shoulder straps) and downhill, where up to 40% of the load transfers to your shoulders.

4) It keeps the pack’s contents cooler and for much longer: nice for your photo gear but an even bigger deal when it comes to water; whether you use a pouch that slides in its hydration sleeve, just behind your back but separated from it by the tensioned mesh, or the Nalgene-type bottles I prefer to use (3+ of those on hikes over 1 day) which you simply place in the same spot. Your water stays shaded and cold for much longer.

5) It saves you lots of money because it is a true all-seasons solution. You don’t need to own different packs for cold, mid-season and hot weather conditions anymore. Plus, getting ready for that outing is much quicker since you no longer have to reconfigure your gear organization for different types of packs.

6) It is incredibly versatile. Except for highly-specialized activities like spelunking or pure climbing, we use our TMP packs for pretty much everything: hiking, straight mountain biking, road biking (we use mountain or road bikes to access trail heads with jammed parking lots,) trail-running, skiing, casual outings, beach walks, etc.

7) It is the only system that inherently allows the rain cover to do a fully protective job. The rain runs down the space between your back and the pack and just falls off. With a PP pack (hiking or photo) the water that runs down behind your shoulders quickly starts “pressure soaking” between your back and the backpanel. The latter gets water-packed and so does the zipper (yes, even those that claim to be waterproof) which your walking motion submits to constant push/pull pressure.

8) Far less tipping over when you put the pack down as the pack bottom and strong hip belt form a tripod-like triangle.

9) It is the only system that allows you to place a custom-made “Humbrella” (hiking umbrella) in the spot that is best for optimum shade (FAQ 17.)
All of the above turns even a long hike into a truly pleasurable experience. It is no surprise that more and more people find it so difficult to go back to PP packs.

This TMP system has since been imitated by Decathlon, Fjallraven, Gregory Mountain, Jack Wolfskin, Lafuma, Lowe Alpine, Osprey, REI, Vaude, among others.

So, what actual options do we have, you ask…

Option #1: the solution that has been used extensively by every single member of my community

You simply adapt the TMP hiking pack you like best to your specific photo gear by using it as-is or with one or more ICUs (Internal Camera Unit.) It’s easy and the entire setup is far more comfortable, far more versatile, and often far cheaper than the average high-quality, similar-volume photo pack. There are many variations but to give you concrete examples, here are the two “reference” multi-days packs we currently use:

A - Best pack for 1-2 days hikes (30-40 Liters): 2019 Deuter Futura Pro 40 (3.5 lbs) aka DFP40 (MSRP $180) or female version (Pro 38SL) or extended back version for people with long torsos (Pro 44 EL.)

B - Best pack for multi-days/multi-weeks hikes (60+ Liters): 2018 Deuter Futura Vario 50+10 (4.5 lbs) aka DFV60 (MSRP $230) or female version (55SL), a product that is considered by many hikers around the world to be the industry’s very best 60L backpack (one of our members, a BMW owner, rightfully calls our reference Deuter packs “the ultimate hiking machines.”)

Build quality

Deuter has long implemented stringent manufacturing and Quality Control standards at their Vietnam flagship factory, resulting in super-high quality products that last far longer than expected – some of us have been hiking for over 20 years with the same pack. Like most Deuters, these two models can also reliably take far more weight than their maximum recommended load (FAQ 19.)

Suspension / harness comfort and efficiency

Let’s have a closer look at the highly efficient, often unique technologies Deuter developed for their Futura packs, which vastly exceed the minimum TMP harness standards described in the mountainsforeverybody article above:

1) They have an advanced version of the TMP that allows the shoulder and hip anchor points to slightly pivot, in essence closely following your movements (no “big hard lump” here.) This adds even more comfort as well as safety on steep or tricky trails since you are less likely to lose your balance.

2) The soft wide mesh used for the hip area seamlessly transitions up the sides of the mesh panel into a super comfy double layer. These “air columns” are a unique feature that adds even more ventilation in hot weather and give you that precious extra lateral stability on tricky trails.

3) The wide hip belt has highly ergonomic pads in just the right places, made with foams of various densities, covered by the soft wide mesh described above. This is an engineering choice that works for more people than the one used by, for example, other fine packs like the Gregory Katmai or Osprey Atmos, where the mesh panel extends from the back all the way to the front of the hips (this “super huggy” system puts a lot of pressure on your hips and tends to “cut into the flesh” in warm weather if you are not very fit and lean.)

4) Over the last 4 years, Deuter upgraded the Futura shoulder straps to the technology now also used by competitors, which is comprised of thickly padded foam covered with moisture-wicking mesh that comes around the edges and is then stitched to the top (structural) layer of fabric or high-load mesh. Comfort-wise, these “soft edges” are a big plus when you hike bare chest or with just a thin layer. They also allow the straps to dry much quicker when you drop your pack.

5) The torso length adjustment system on the Vario is by far the industry’s best and easiest to use – you simply slide the frame anywhere you like on that huge range (it accommodates torsos from 15 to 22 inches long) up or down the central webbing strap and secure the buckle – at the opposite end of the spectrum, other manufacturers use Velcro-based adjustment systems which we have found too weak for heavy loads and too unreliable in extreme weather conditions (high dust/sand or super wet with freeze/thaw cycles.)

The combination TMP + ergonomic hip belt is so good at spreading the load on these Deuters that you literally feel only about half the weight you’re actually carrying (some say even less.) I once compared my DFP40 with my featherweight, twice-as-expensive UL backpack by loading both with 20 pounds of hiking and photo gear and hitting a technical, 30 mile trail with a buddy of mine. The temp was 80 degrees Fahrenheit. We swapped packs at the half-point and compared notes at the end. We both concluded that the Futura still felt like we were only carrying about 10 pounds by mile 15, plus it kept our backs dry. We both were also shocked to discover that the “superlight” UL pack quickly created painful hot spots (by mile 3 for him, mile 5 for me, you could actually tell from these hot spots where the heavier camera gear was) and by mile 15 it felt like we were carrying 25 to 30 pounds of gear, and with drenched backs. This little experiment surely put the “2 pounds weight advantage” of my UL pack in an entirely different light…

Note: like on too many other packs, the load lifter straps are actually simplistic load adjusters. Deuter did make the end of each strap into the required loop but it is only about one inch long and you can barely slide a finger inside. This truly baffling design makes it impossible to use standard load lifting techniques on the trail (FAQ 20.) The loop simply needs to be 5 inches long, which would hardly cost more at the factory.

Gear access and organization

Both packs have two long, nearly invisible side bellows pockets with their zipper covered by a rain flap, just above the side mesh pockets, a rare feature that offer additional flexibility for accessing your photo gear. This quick side access is nice for those who prefer not to place a lens in a side mesh pocket. With a bit of practice lens changes are easy and quick. Right-handed description: unbuckle the front straps, remove right shoulder strap, slide pack around to your front just a bit, reach around or under left arm with right hand, run zipper down and swap lenses.

On the top-loader DFP40 you have 7 access points, all of which I’ve used at times for photo gear:

#1 Hipbelt pocket: pocket cam (maximum size: Pana ZS80.) I use the other side for sunglasses, energy bars, knife, etc.

#2 Bottom compartment and/or

#3 inside top of bag, just below lid: small ICU ("photo cube") and/or “portable ICU” (see below.)

#4 Lid pocket: 2-4 lenses depending on system, or body + zoom, or drone.

#5 Side stretch mesh pocket: extra lens or light bridge cam (I use the opposite pocket for a water bottle.) Fast and easy access, just reach back and pull.

#6 Side zipper bellows pockets: 1 lens up to 11 inches long (28cms) and 4 inches diameter (10cms) or 2-3 shorter lenses. You can use both sides if you have tons of lenses.

#7 The Large front stretch pocket is perfect for us photographers because unlike others, Deuter uses the stretch fabric only on the sides, allowing for a tripod or a cam with a long lens, even with the lens shade on. It rests against the tough fabric in the center without tearing the mesh.

On the top and front-loader DV60, you have 8 access points:

#6 is bigger: 1 lens up to 12.5 inches long (32cms) and 5 inches diameter (12.7cms) or 2-3 shorter lenses

and you have one more option:

#8: Big U-shaped two-way zipper with rain flap on front panel: mid-large ICU. Note that this U design is the sensible one, it makes accessing your bottom gear way easier than the inverted U variety.

You have 5 tripod options with both packs: #7 above, the hiking pole attachment (small bungee cords with locks), the compression straps on both sides, or the 4 corner loops atop the lid.

Using (very) long lenses: see FAQ 7.

Using the TMP’s “awesome space”

As you now know, the TMP is engineered to leave an open space behind your spine, between roughly your shoulders and your waist, for true ventilation. Well, we have come to call that area the awesome space because it is also so incredibly useful to quickly stash or pull out all sorts of items (unless of course the pack is at maximum load, in which case the frame flattens to leave about half an inch of space, but this only really happens during “mule work” or test mode as in FAQ 19) without dropping the pack and sometimes without even losing a step: fleece vest, mid-layer, hiking poles, face covering, dog leash, gloves (ideal shoot in cold weather shoots) lens or cam rain cover, ski poles, monopod, etc. Of course we rarely “leave stuff in there” but that space is, in a word, just awesome.

Lash points

Both have many straps and attachment points (we call these lash points) for extra kit. Among our favorites are the 4 loops on top of the lid that make it a breeze to attach a jacket, a tripod, a sleeping pad, a tent, or a solar panel - I use one on any hike that is 2 days or more, I consider this an essential safety feature because my location tech (GPS, Sat’) is always charged, along with my photo gear of course. Shockingly, there are no bottom lash points.

“Danglers and Flappers” (Straps Management)

Those loose strap ends that have no sleeve or tab to slide into, tend to catch on things and flap against your body or the pack all day long. These problems are sadly ignored by most backpack brands (many actually cheat on their product pictures by using hidden, double-sided tape between straps, making you believe those are neatly under control…) Here are their downsides in decreasing order of importance:

1 – They can quickly become a serious safety issue since they snag easily on whatever Mother Nature surrounds you with. Here are just two examples among the many we’ve experienced:

a) On the last leg of a solo hike, one of our members felt a strong tug as he was slowly negotiating a turn along a very tricky and narrow ledge. That made him lose his footing and he found himself hanging above a 300 foot, holding on by only one hand and one foot. The loose end of his pack’s upper left compression strap had gotten wedged into a rock crack. Realizing that unbuckling from the pack could result in a fall to his death, he did the wise thing and yelled out for help. Luckily, a couple that was returning from summiting a nearby peak heard him. But the husband could get no solid grip on our friend so his wife climbed back up and then rappelled down a good 50 feet to land in front of him. Once she had him secured, her husband cut off the stuck strap. Our friend was then able to unbuckle, reset and head down to his chalet.

b) After dropping off the kids for a birthday party at a mountain lake, I decided to go and hike for a couple of hours on a beautiful, hot day, with a new daypack and a minimal load. As I was circling my way after losing the trail, a dangling side strap got caught on a branch and I slipped, lightly spraining my right knee. But the pain got worse, I could no longer hike uphill, and I had zero phone reception. My first-aid kit was no help but luckily (or so I thought) I spotted a roof about a mile down. But the tall ferns I was bushwhacking through gave way to brambles that were tearing up my legs and arms. By then the pain was excruciating and it took me nearly 2 hours to reach the house. There was a car with a warm hood so I knew they were home, which got my hopes up. I knocked on the door, no response. I explained that I was hurt, that all this blood was caused by thorns, that I meant no harm… still no response. So I limped down their endless driveway and reached a road. Finally, a super nice guy picked me up and drove me to the lake. That one little loose strap had turned a 2 hour hike into a 5 hour ordeal…

2 – Some wildlife gets scared away by the noise “danglers” make.

3 – In cold weather you wear layers so you may not notice those two front straps flapping against your thighs or the bottom of the shoulder straps hitting your sides, but in warm weather, you will. They are a total pain (FAQ 16.)

4 – Some folks feel that dangling straps make their pack look messy and unsightly.

There are workarounds (FAQ 4) but given that all straps on my old 20L Quechua bag (8 euros at Decathlon in 2016) have sleeves, there’s absolutely no excuse for a $100 to $500 pack to fail to provide them.

2021 Deuter Futura models: a worrisome evolution

For Deuter’s 2021 updates we were only hoping for minor usability upgrades that would have made our reference Futura packs simply perfect: larger hip pockets, real load lifters, sleeves on all straps, bottom lash points, and fitting the 25-40L Futuras with the Vario’s awesome back length adjustment system. Well, we got none of the above but we did get the following blunders:

1) All have now the same type of shoulder straps as older Deuters like the Airzone or other outdated packs. The awesome soft strap edges are gone, reverting to hard edges, the padding is thinner, and on all 2021 Futuras above 30L, the top of the pad is made of fabric that lets no air though, meaning that once your straps are sweat-soaked (pretty quick in warm weather) that moisture will be trapped. A Deuter Exec tells me that “the new design deforms less with extra weight” but this argument makes no sense; one, their huge Aircontact 85 (a PP pack) still uses the proven, comfortable design and two, that “old” design holds up very well to super heavy loads (FAQ 19.)

2) The 4 top corner lash points are now gone on all new Futuras with top lids, from the 30L (now called Futura 32) all the way to the large Air Trek, which replaces the Vario.

3) The composition of the excellent front panel has been reversed with most of the surface now made of mesh. The reason, per the Exec? “saving a few grams and improving breathability (think stowing a damp rain jacket.)” Except that drainage was just fine on the previous design (we simply flipped the pack on its side and whatever water drained through the mesh, some added a drain hole.)

More importantly, 2 of the 5 tripod options (lid loops and front panel, the 2 we use the most!) have vanished.

4) The Futura 26, one of the world’s best top and panel loader daypacks (Post 4) is discontinued…

Our takeaway? We will not downgrade to the new designs since they are a large step backwards in usability. The “previous generation” Futura packs (2017-2020) are a significantly better choice than the new ones for hiking photographers. Given the worrisome direction Deuter seems to be taking, we have been stockpiling these outstanding packs, which for now can still be found in some countries (PM me with a product link if you’re not sure about a particular model, please do not waste forum space on such personal requests.)

Option #2: the new (and very good) Cosyspeed Photohiker 44. See post 3 for a full evaluation.

Happy hikes!

Chris

Hi Chris,

First of all, thank you! I searched the internet many times and there are simply no other source of information that even come close to the amazing work you did in this form.

And now to the question, your "reference" backpacks are extremely hard to nearly impossible to get these days (2019 DFP40 , DFV60 - discontinued, CP44 - out of stock).
I wondered, what are your "modern" / widely available "multi-days TMP reference backpacks" in your community ?
In other word, in a world where 2019 DFP40 , DFV60 and CP44 don't exist, what is next in line ?

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