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BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

Started May 14, 2021 | Discussions
OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)
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@Labmom60: please do not post such an absurdly vague and OT question here. If I recall, you had "read somewhere" that it's something like 32 or 36L, or whatever. I already gave you some answers elsewhere and asked you start your own thread with that question or contact me via PM.

@ everyone else.

Here are two new threads which you may find of interest:

Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank

I'm pretty sure some of you will be interested by some of these accessories, especially out there on the trail.

and....

Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags

Consider this thread the "ICU companion" to this one. Please use it for any ICU-related questions, comments, or feedback.

Thanks!

Chris

Hanno van Tartu
Hanno van Tartu Contributing Member • Posts: 560
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021, Post 3)

I am only an amateur photographer, but I used to be a passionate hiker and climber. I am still passionate about the same things, but age is putting limits on me that I was not aware of only 10 years ago. Three such limitations are sweating, needing to carry water, and loading of shoulders. Many years ago, I used to have an early version of the rucksack with a frame in it. I did not much notice the difference, because I was very fit, could go without water for many hours and generally did things in a hurry. Today, at the age of 71, I have to pace myself and find carrying a load of more than say 7 kg on my hips much more pleasant during hikes that last longer than a couple of hours -- I mean in a rucksack. (I hate waist bags, mainly because because of their inadequate volume and poor ergonomics.)

Some of my bags have a thin waist belt -- this is useless for load distribution. Such belts only help to stabilise the bag against the back for scrambling or climbing. A belt alone -- even a good one -- does not get the load from the upper part of the bag, unless there is a sufficiently rigid frame between the top and bottom of the bag.

In conclusion, I very much support what Chris has written in his very useful reviews.

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Hanno van Tartu Contributing Member • Posts: 560
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

I am only an amateur photographer, but I used to be a passionate hiker and climber. I am still passionate about the same things, but age is putting limits on me that I was not aware of only 10 years ago. Three such limitations are sweating, needing to carry water, and loading of shoulders. Many years ago, I used to have an early version of the rucksack with a frame in it. I did not much notice the difference, because I was very fit, could go without water for many hours and generally did things in a hurry. Today, at the age of 71, I have to pace myself and find carrying a load of more than say 7 kg on my hips much more pleasant during hikes that last longer than a couple of hours -- I mean in a rucksack. (I hate waist bags, mainly because of their inadequate volume for the full frame gear I carry and poor ergonomics.)

Some of my bags have a thin waist belt -- this is useless for load distribution. Such belts only help to stabilise the bag against the back for scrambling or climbing. A belt alone -- even a good one -- does not get the load from the upper part of the bag, unless there is a sufficiently rigid frame between the top and bottom of the bag.

In conclusion, I very much support what Chris has written in his very useful reviews.

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nhr5005 Regular Member • Posts: 137
Re: Reference packs: Deuter Futura Vario 45+10
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Hi All,

I just wanted to chime in here that I recently got my hands on a few of the refernce packs Chris listed on clearance, and decided to keep the Deuter Futura Vario 45+10 SL (I also tried the 50+10, a Lowe Alpine pack in a local store, and I have an older REI 40 pack for reference also).

It is a women's fit (I am male) but I found it fits me well enough, and the slighly smaller size seemed adequate to hold any gear I'd need for a short overnight etc. camping trip + camera gear. I also chose it because I thought the slighly smaller dimensions would draw fewer raised eyebrows at airports for carryon luggage.

I just got back from a trip in Yosemite with this pack and did a number of day hikes ranging from 5-8 miles (some quite steep and at higher elevations). I'm still in the DSLR world so my camera & lens & filters weigh about 8 lbs in their "insert", plus tripod, and it was quite warm there (summer time) so I also had about 3.5 L of water in addition to typical hiking essentials. Let's just say that the pack performed great and left me with no out-of-the-ordinary back pains or soreness (I get random back pains anyways, not related to hiking). I only got sore shoulders a handful to times mid-hike and it just took some adjustment of the pack to get the load back to the hips. It was super versatile for shedding layers as you hike, or storing your trekking poles, etc. Sure, it was not fast (at all) to get out my camera insert & camera to shoot something, but it was a tradeoff I had to make to carry that weight around. I'm still not sure I have the pack fitted to me 100% but it is close and didn't cause me discomfort.

For shorter hikes or just hopping out of the car around the park, I either just had the insert ready in the car (removed from the pack already), or transfered my camera stuff into my normal PD Everyday backpack.

Overall, I'm happy with the pack and its versatiliy and I look forward to getting many years of use out of it. The quality feels on par with my trusty old REI pack and quite a bit better than the Lowe Alpine pack I tried at the store. I hope this helps someone, I certainly wouldn't hesitate to look at Deuter packs!

Cheers

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
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1 - Thanks @nhr5005 for sharing your experience with the DFV55, and glad I could help guide you towards this pack, which will likely last you a couple of decades.

2 - Addendum to Article 5
Following an interesting conversation in this thread , I posted on our private network asking if anybody uses LowePro Dashpoint bags since I don't own any of those. It turns out that quite a few people do, and what they like the most is a feature which seems unique on the market (and, rather astonishingly, is barely mentioned on the manufacturer's site):

https://www.lowepro.com/us-en/dashpoint-20-slate-grey-lp36441-0ww/

These bags come in 3 sizes and have a tall vertical pass-through for the standard use over your pants' belt or pack's hip belt plus a wide horizontal space that closes two big "ears" on the back of the bag over any vertical strap via Hook & Loop (Velcro.)

This is a very big deal because the second option allows you to easily and quickly fasten your Dashpoint to your backpack's shoulder strap, which may be a simple preference (not everyone likes to carry extra bags at hip level) or an actual requirement when you are going through narrow passages, around tricky rock ledges, etc. and having anything stick out the sides could actually be dangerous.

I am therefore adding these LowePro Dashpoint bags to our front-carry recommendations.

Note that our members replaced the shoulder strap with either a short buckle strap or paracord that connect the 2 shoulder strap lash points and slides under their pack's hydration tube loop strap or D-strap, at roughly collarbone level. They also use a short wrist strap on their cams (as do I.)

Also, several actually use at the same time a Dashpoint 20 (or 30 which has more depth) with their Canon G1X3 on the shoulder strap for wide shots (snug fit with the lens cap on with the 20, but it works) and their ILC + long lens clipped to the center of their chest via a Universal Keyhole.

I love my old little Tamrac Digital Series (long discontinued) for my own G1X3 but I can't do any of that with it, so I've placed a Dashpoint 30 on my shopping list. It looks like the Dashpoint 10 fits most compacts and the Dashpoint 30 might also fit some small bridge cams and even some small MFT + lens kits.

Anyhow, thanks Jeff, aka @jw10 !

3 - I finally had a bit of time to write this new thread:

How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit)

4 - Currently compiling hiking notes from all testers before publishing in this thread the review of the Gregory Katmai 65, a new large pack with top and side opening.

5 - I think I mentioned this excellent new thread on Quechua packs by Boogisha elsewhere, but not here, for which I apologize (dope slap!)

Decathlon Quechua MH500 20L / 30L / 40L (2020) Backpack - Review, Q&A

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Links to a few resources I published here to help my fellow photographers:
R1: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4574941
R2: Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585593
R3: How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4594146
R4: Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585015
R5: Best carry on wheeled backpack you've never heard of https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4446343

jhorse Veteran Member • Posts: 5,913
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This is an excellent set of articles by Chris. I also use a rucksack and adapt it for photo gear. The so-called dedicated photo-packs are not conducive to long hikes with a load in comfort (my experience to say this is having served in the Army and learnt how to carry heavy loads over a distance in relative comfort).

I have just returned from the English Lake District hiking many of its routes, both lowland valleys and higher up on the fells (the hills).

I use a Fuji XT4 with either a 16-55/f2.8 or a trio of Fujcrons (16/f2.8, 23/f2 and a 50/f2). In my pack I carry a 55-200 and sometimes a 10-24. If walking to the location without photographing each lens is in a light neoprene case in the backpack.  In addition, as I am with family, I carry water, snacks, map, first aid kit, and rain clothes as well as spare batteries, a couple of filters and spare SD cards. I also used this approach hiking in the Swiss Alps in August 2019 (our last overseas holiday).

When hiking and taking photos, I tend to use the 16-55. I use a Peak Design Leash. I have found that by threading the Leash through the Osprey Talon 11 or 33 (depending on amount of gear) water tube holders on the right hand rucksack strap and taken over the back of the pack down to my left side (so Sam Browne style) that all the weight is carried by the rucksack and there is no conflict between the camera strap and the rucksack's straps as they work in unison. This makes it far more comfortable to walk as there is no strap digging into a shoulder or neck.  The Leash is long enough, is quickly adjustable and sufficiently flexible to take the camera from waist height to the eye quickly.  I find this system very comfortable, quick to use and easy to take on and off.

I also discovered on this trip an added advantage to the Osprey rucksacks that have small pockets in the waist strap wings (or, I assume, any rucksack with similar pockets). My Fujicrons fitted into them easily, which meant I took them more often than hitherto as there was no need to stop, take off the rucksack, swop lenses and then put the rucksack back on (family tolerance for constant stops and lens swops is low!).  So, I would have the 23 mounted and the 16 and 50 in the waist pockets on either side and it was easy to swop lenses quickly without taking the rucksack off.  Worked a treat.

A great set of articles Chris for those who hike and take photos with a camera (as opposed to solely a phone). Thanks for your efforts to write and post them.

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
When you contact me via PM
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First, thanks to Jules for sharing this cool trick in the previous post.

Now an important request about PMs

I have no problem helping fellow photographers via Private Messages. In fact, given DPR’s limitations to the number of posts on each thread, I encourage it and I’ve helped many people this way.

BUT, I realize that I probably failed to post publicly what really helps me… help you!

When you PM me for advice on backpacks, etc. make sure you let me know these facts:

– your torso length

– links to product pages for the packs you are looking at

– your country (if in U.S., your state often helps too)

– I also appreciate knowing your first name. You know mine, and this makes the conversation less impersonal.

Thanks!

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Links to a few resources I published here to help my fellow photographers:
R1: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4574941
R2: Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585593
R3: How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4594146
R4: Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585015
R5: Best carry on wheeled backpack you've never heard of https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4446343

OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
Tested: Gregory Mountain Katmai 65 versus Gregory Baltoro 65, Osprey Atmos AG 65, Deuter Vario 50+10
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We tested the new-for-2021 Gregory Mountain Kalmia 65 backpack over 400 miles in diverse terrains and weather conditions, including a no-food-resupply, week-long hike with all 4 packs loaded with over 50 pounds at the start. Other, shorter day or weekend hikes included a few trail runs to see how these large packs performed when fully compressed.

Note that Gregory’s female version of the Katmai is called Kalmia. They also sell a 55 liter Katmai which we do not recommend since gaining just a few ounces of weight by loosing 10 liters of capacity is a bad trade-off. Here are the product links as of this writing:

Gregory Mountain Katmai 65 (MSRP with rain cover before tax: $325) https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/backpacking-packs/katmai-65-1369KAT65.html?dwvar_1369KAT65_color=Volcano%20Black&cgidmaster=#q=katmai&start=1

Gregory Mountain Baltoro 65 (MSRP with rain cover (included): $300): https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-bags/backpacking-packs/baltoro-65-916BAL65.html

Osprey Atmos AG 65 (MSRP with rain cover: $307): https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/atmos-ag-65-ATMOS65S18.html

Deuter Vario 50+10 (MSRP with rain cover (included): $230)

https://www.deuter.com/us-en/shop/backpacks/p24156-hiking-backpack-futura-vario-50-10

(I’m including a link that will hopefully stay intact for a while as Deuter and most vendors now automatically redirect any search for the Vario to the 2021 AirTrek or Futura models, which we definitely do not recommend (PM me a link if you’re not sure, more feedback on these new packs in upcoming post.)

In this article I will keep things as short and simple as possible while focusing primarily on the aspects that matter most to us as hiking photographers. Since this is a comparative review, I will of course report our findings about other packs as needed – I strongly recommend that you first refresh your memory by reading Article/Post 2 about the Deuter Vario 50+10 (DFV60.)

What we liked

1 – New and great suspension system and harness
The Katmai is essentially a Baltoro with a hugely improved carry system and things started just great since this new TMP harness is top-notch, some saying even a hair better than the Atmos (of which it seems to be an almost exact copy) and on par with the Vario. The Katmai, Baltoro and Atmos have slightly wider and thicker shoulder straps padding than the Vario, making them a bit more comfortable with loads above 30 pounds. On the other hand, the Vario’s unique slightly padded “shoulders” on the edges on the tensioned mesh panel make it more stable and comfortable than the others on technical sections, particularly in hot weather, therefore we ranked all 3 packs equally good (read: best in the business.)
In contrast, the Baltoro’s “fake TMP”, a weird “3D” contraption, actually traps heat right behind you, quickly inducing drenched backs, even in mild 85 degrees weather. In such comparative test hikes we switch packs at least once a day and it became clear that everybody was trying really hard not to end up with the Baltoro… So much so that after just 3 days, its new owner begged his wife to drive up to a mountain crossroads and bring his old Vario to him.

2 – Available in “Plus” sizes
Kudos to Gregory for offering special versions of these models (Item 1392KAT65PLUS) for the overweight population (74 percent of adults in the U.S. are overweight and 43% are obese.) As a once borderline obese person, I know full well that walking and hiking are hands-down the best physical activities for getting back in shape slowly, but surely. And they are just as good for your soul as they are for your body!
It’s a clever business move too, given the huge size of this market (no pun intended) and we appreciate that Gregory does not charge more for their “Plus” models.

3 – Recycled fabrics
They sure took their Texas time, but Gregory is finally using (partially) recycled fabrics and PFC-free coatings on this pack. Yeah!

4 – Good build, quiet in use
While these new fabrics are clearly flimsier that older Gregory models (we had an old Stout at hand) and only years of hiking would tell how they will hold up, the Katmai is a well-built pack that has good zippers and is quiet in use:
Contrast that with our brand-new Osprey Atmos AG 65 that behaves exactly like the ones other folks bought around 5 years ago: it squeaks like an annoying little squirrel in two places (bottom and upper frame area) and still has those cheap, horrible hipbelt pocket zippers that you can open but not close with one hand (same as a recently-acquired Osprey Manta 34.) Those pockets also have much less capacity than the competition thanks to the waist belt encroaching quite a bit into the pocket space.

What we did not like
Sadly, the list (in no particular order) is quite long.

1 – The way the TMP anchors into the frame gives you a very limited “awesome space” ((the vertical opening just behind your back, see Article 2) ) that is only about 3 inches tall on the Katmai, and barely taller on the Atmos. This design still allows for decent air circulation but of course it severely limits what you can stash in the space behind your back, making it far less awesome than on the Deuter (which by the way also keeps your back noticeably cooler than the others.)

2 – The dual-access feature simply does not deliver
Those who like side-access for their lenses or cams were excited when Gregory announced the Katmai because it eschews a large, front U-shaped zipper for a long, crescent-shaped side zipper that runs on the right side of the pack.
While it is more flexible than a single-access pack via the top opening, Gregory’s designers botched their implementation by using a one-way zipper that only runs from the top to the bottom. In other words, stashing your ICU at the bottom of the pack and accessing say, a low-placed ICU by pulling the zipper up without dropping the pack is simply impossible.
In addition, the side zip is not covered by a rain flap and easily takes water, forcing you to stop and drop the pack at the slightest shower.
Finally, compared to the large U-zip of the Vario, accessing your stuff through this side zipper is awkward and rather impractical. First, you have to set your pack down on its side, which is far less stable than setting it flat on the TMP side. Second, you do not have that wide opening that makes it a cinch to see and access all your items, you find yourself instead fumbling in there from the side with much less room to work with. It’s definitely far more difficult to remove or replace items with this type of system than with a front-opening panel.

3 – No rain cover
Such an omission is simply unforgivable, and even more so at this price point. To make things worse, once you have spent another ridiculous $45 on a rain cover (for reference, the out-of-factory cost of a mass-produced rain cover rarely exceeds $3) you cannot stash it underneath the pack, where it needs to be (Deuter has done this for decades) because there simply is no pocket there…
Note that Osprey sells the Atmos AG 65 with a rain cover in Europe, but without one in the U.S. (if you interpret this as a mark of disrespect for their homeland customers, you’re not the only one!) and here again, you absolutely need a rain cover because the Atmos, weirdly, is a uniquely hydrophilic pack; we’re not sure if due to the fabric or the coating, but a one-day hike in the fog (no rain) resulted in very humid pack contents, versus bone-dry in the other packs.
The Baltoro and Vario both come with a rain cover. The Vario’s implementation is perfect, it deploys out of a pocket at the packs bottom and has both a large, well-placed drain hole and a clip that ensures the cover won’t fly off in the types of high winds that are common in some mountain areas.

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RAIN COVER TIP: we never “drop the pack” to put the rain cover on or off, unless we hike solo.

How? We just have a buddy reach under the pack from behind, unzip the pocket and schlep the cover on. That takes under a minute, and then we return the favor. We obviously do the reverse when the rain is gone for good. This trick makes a big difference out on the trail and works with all our Deuter packs. Ditto for some Vaude models and the Cosyspeed Photohiker 44.
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4 – Excessive price
This Kalmia + rain cover cost its owner close to $350 with tax in CA. That is over $100 more than the Vario 60, a significantly better pack overall (again, see Article 2 for full review.)

5 – The low, slanted “Sidewinder” water pocket on the right side looks good on paper but here again important details have been overlooked. It is okay for 1 liter bottles but not deep enough for 40-46oz bottles which tend to fall off as soon as you bend forward a little (we had to rig a temporary fastening system with some paracord.) Also, when in the stashed position, that pocket snags on branches while bushwhacking and rips open.
Of the 4 packs tested, the Atmos offers by far the easiest access to your water bottles, thanks to its low, front-facing, slanted opening of its “dual access stretch mesh side pockets:” A pleasure to use!

6 – Very limited tripod carry options
We found only two workable tripod options on the Katmai: stashed under the compression straps on the right side (but the long side zipper is then blocked) and at the bottom, cinched under the bottom compartment compression straps. The Atmos has pretty much the same limitations, while the Vario has no less than 5 options.

7 – Very poor choice for the adjustment systems
Yes, Velcro is cheap, we all know that. Way cheaper than the little (and fragile) claws that grab onto the frame on the Atmos, or the (best-in-the-business) central strap with metal clasp on the Vario. BUT, its use for the torso length adjustment system is simply a disaster in rainy and dusty environments. To wit:
As we were trudging through one of those rain-all-day hikes, the Velcro on the Atmos and Katmai belts got waterlogged after a couple of hours (Osprey’s “Fit-on-the-Fly” hipbelt length adjustment system also relies on Velcro,) forcing their users to constantly readjust the belt buckle. An hour later, Tim, the carrier of the Katmai heard a big “schluuump” and realized that the central Velcro pad, which sits hidden the TMP, had basically given up all pretense to hold its position. The pack had dropped several inches and was now resting in the middle of his butt, not where you want it to be while hiking treacherous terrain with a heavy load… There was no way to reset the back panel since the Velcro had lost all adhesive capability and this would have been a disaster had he been hiking solo. We were lucky this time because one of the hikers in the group, whose 22 inches torso is at the top end of the Katmai’s torso range, volunteered to swap his Vario with Tim. Once the pack had dried out, we were able to readjust the torso length, but it was clear that the Velcro was already not sticking as well as before. And, we know from experience that this type of Velcro failure gets much worse, much quicker in successive freeze/thaw conditions, like the ones we encounter frequently at high altitude.
Bottom line, such a Velcro adjustment system may remain in place if you set it once and do not ever hike in the rain or on dusty trails, where Velcro also looses its grip, but we think that this is an unacceptable risk to take.

8 – Non-existent straps management, a fact that is concealed by deceptive product pictures
The Vario is the only pack here that comes with anything kind of strap sleeves: two of those (arguably the most important ones) for the belt buckle.
The Katmai, Kalmia, Baltoro and Atmos web pages show incredibly neat pack straps. Yet, these packs do not have a single sleeve to keep various straps from dangling and flopping around, hitting your thighs, arms, etc. How is this miracle possible? The only possible explanation is that all the pictured straps were glued together just for the photos, probably with double-sided tape, to make the customer believe that there is some kind of strap management when in fact, there is none. One simply does not “accidentally” produce such doctored product pictures and while such deceptive practices are not rare in the outdoors industry, these are among the most egregious examples we have ever seen. Call it deceptive, call it false advertising, call it whatever… it’s just plain wrong.

9 – Poorly designed bottom compartment divider
When small items find their way to the bottom of the main compartment on the Vario, they stay there (that pack has an excellent divider that closes with a zipper) and you find them easily: just open the front zipper and here they are.
In comparison, the Katmai is a real pain because small things, already hard to find via the side zipper, tend to slip past the edges of poorly designed bottom divider (a simple panel that only fastens at the corners) and fall all the way to the bottom.

10 – Bad load lifter straps
In fairness, this is true for all 4 packs, but as you know from my previous articles, real load lifters make a big difference on the trail, compared to the cheesy load adjusters we have here. All are too short, and you are lucly if you can slip one finger into the end loop, as opposed to your full hand as should be.

One new Katmai feature that resulted in a split opinion is Gregory’s new odor control fabric treatment for the harness. Some felt that it is overkill, some thought is just fine given that the technology they use is not harmful (many body or fabric odor control products are seriously toxic.)

Summary
We are always excited to test new packs and on paper the Katmai/Kalmia seemed like a potentially great one. But as you read above, while Gregory has hugely improved the harness over the Baltoro, these packs still have major flaws: cheap and unreliable Velcro back and belt adjustments, zero strap sleeve, no rain cover, limited side access, etc.

Not for the first time, we could not help but wonder how or even if Gregory Mountain tests their packs… Contrast our findings, for example, with the features and performance of a Quechua MH500 40L, which is smaller but retails for one third the money, and Decathlon truly puts Gregory Mountain (owned by Samsonite) to shame. Decathlon has a full design and testing team, based not far from the famed Mont Blanc in the French Alps, that actually tests their new equipment in real conditions (just like my community does) and the results speak for themselves.

Sadly we cannot recommend this Gregory Mountain Katmai / Kalmia. Its owner, whose old DFV60 was getting beat up after over 10,000 miles, returned the Katmai and bought himself another Deuter Vario 50+10 (he said that these are getting very hard to find in North America.)

I wish you all some happy hikes in this beautiful Fall season !

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Links to a few resources I published here to help my fellow photographers:
R1: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4574941
R2: Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585593
R3: How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4594146
R4: Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585015
R5: Best carry on wheeled backpack you've never heard of https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4446343

NancyP Veteran Member • Posts: 6,608
Links to follow-up articles?

I would love to read your follow-up articles listed (numbers 2 through 6) in this post. Is it possible to edit your post to provide links? Or, could you post here under title "Links"? You are a busy enough commenter that finding the articles through your profile is not straightforward. My search skills may not be up to snuff. Many thanks for your consideration.

P.S. Favorite day-pack combo for small dSLR kit on a 2-3 hour hike, also fits under airplane seat: REI Trail 25 L women's pack, plus F-stop medium ICU padded insert. Tripod hangs from under-the-pack straps. Water - 1.0 to 1.5 L in water bottle external pockets.

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Disregard above - my bad
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Well, don't I feel stupid now......

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Camshaft New Member • Posts: 4
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

Chris, I've been looking for a pack like you've mentioned the atlas athlete, shimoda 30 and the cozyspeed.  I also was looking at the Futura pro as just a hiking pack almost bought one this summer but was still looking at options. I think you nudged me in the direction as a dual purpose bag.  Which generation do you rocomend and what icu's do you recomend? As I'm starting to grow into the field I've just upgraded to a Canon R with a 24-105 lens with plans to add  a 100-400mm and possibly a couple others  with filters chargers cleaning kit and a cf tripod ect so not a tun of gear. Have quite decided on size of pack but between 30-40 will mostly be day hikes. TIA Cam

OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
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Camshaft wrote:

Chris, I've been looking for a pack like you've mentioned the atlas athlete, shimoda 30 and the cozyspeed. I also was looking at the Futura pro as just a hiking pack almost bought one this summer but was still looking at options. I think you nudged me in the direction as a dual purpose bag. Which generation do you rocomend and what icu's do you recomend? As I'm starting to grow into the field I've just upgraded to a Canon R with a 24-105 lens with plans to add a 100-400mm and possibly a couple others with filters chargers cleaning kit and a cf tripod ect so not a tun of gear. Have quite decided on size of pack but between 30-40 will mostly be day hikes. TIA Cam

First, welcome to the forums.

Not sure where you got that I would recommend Atlas or Shimoda, all PP packs. I would indeed recommend the Cosyspeed 44. Too bad you didn't grab that Futura, they are getting super hard to find (people seem to have figured out how much better they are than the new models.)

I would strongly recommend that you take time to read or re-read the resources below my signature: R1 for general info, products reviews, etc. and R2 for ICUs.

Also this great thread by boogisha: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4586992

Let's continue this conversation privately. Please PM me with your torso length, first name (you know mine and it makes things friendlier) and of course your country/state.

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Links to a few resources I published here to help my fellow photographers:
R1: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4574941
R2: Most versatile ICU (camera insert) for backpacks and other bags: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585593
R3: How to make your own custom dividers for any photo bag or ICU (Internal Camera Unit) https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4594146
R4: Reviewed: Cosyspeed mini-pouch, hand strap, waist / sling bag, powerbank https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4585015
R5: Best carry on wheeled backpack you've never heard of
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4446343

Malling Senior Member • Posts: 1,534
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

Thanks Chris, real bummer with the katmei, but I feared as much after checking it out. After having owned Velcro pack I concur it’s a horrible solution, even the solution on Atmos and Baltoro is better as it at least stay where they are (although adjustability is practically none existing). Yes the Baltoro is a sweatbucket in anything that isn’t under 5c, comfort vice I find it good for what it is, and it also has that horrible corner divider, even the poor Atmos solution is better, that says allot. Unfortunately I cannot get the old Vario anymore and 2021 is a poor imitation. I don’t know what’s up with them but they all reduces quality to an extent where you start wandering if they stopped carrying. The Atmos  like the Vario has also constantly gotten worse for every iteration the last 5 years, the one I owned where noticeable better then the 2021 iteration, but yes always been a squeaky annoyance, why I ended up selling it that and lack of usefulness for photo gear… Guess My hunt is still on. Thanks for not having to waste money on Gregory again!

donaldsc Veteran Member • Posts: 4,074
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"7 - Easy targets for theft

Many cities around the world, along with certain busy trail heads, are plagued by highly-organized teams of thieves who are extraordinarily good at stealing your stuff in crowded areas (in Paris, gangs from the Balkans use kids and teens!) Just like they are trained to recognize luxury purse and luggage brand names, these gangs know photo bag brands and you become a target the second they see yours (Atlas makes things worse by plastering its brand name in huge sizes: really tacky and really unwise.) In my large community we have never experienced a single successful “slash and run” or “rip and run” attempt on a TMP pack (it’s impossible to do as long as the strong hip belt is buckled, so the thief moves to an easier target.) The exact opposite is true for photo packs, we’ve had too many incidents to count, which is not very surprising given that some do not even have a hip belt."

This wouldn't work for hiking but I know someone who is a female and youngish who carries her stuff in a grungy diaper bag when she is shooting in a city.  Wouldn't work for me as I am 81 and not female - LOL.  So far her trick has worked.

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Camshaft New Member • Posts: 4
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Thanks for the reply Chris, Im not able to send messages yet maybe if you send to me first? As you may have guessed my name is Cam

Suave Senior Member • Posts: 2,289
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You should have added (and this holds true for all camera bags) - zero resale value.  Whatever you sink into it is not recoverable.

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Bobthearch
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Holy hell, I'm not reading all of that.

But here are a few things that I wish bag makers and shoppers would consider:

  • If I can't access the camera and lenses while hiking, it's useless.
  • If catching a zipper on a branch can result in camera gear falling out, it's useless.
  • If it's designed so that a leaking water bottle can drip on camera gear, it's useless. 
  • If the material isn't durable enough to hold up to abrasions from rocks and scratches from briars and branches, it's useless.
  • Camera bag makers generally suck when it comes to ergonomics, comfort, and adjustability.  Outdoor companies experienced in designing daypacks and backpacks usually get it right.
  • A one-bag solution needs to be large enough for camera gear and hiking gear: water, fleece, food, rain gear, etc.  At least the Ten Essentials.
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jhorse Veteran Member • Posts: 5,913
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

Bobthearch wrote:

Holy hell, I'm not reading all of that.

But here are a few things that I wish bag makers and shoppers would consider:

  • If I can't access the camera and lenses while hiking, it's useless.
  • If catching a zipper on a branch can result in camera gear falling out, it's useless.
  • If it's designed so that a leaking water bottle can drip on camera gear, it's useless.
  • If the material isn't durable enough to hold up to abrasions from rocks and scratches from briars and branches, it's useless.
  • Camera bag makers generally suck when it comes to ergonomics, comfort, and adjustability. Outdoor companies experienced in designing daypacks and backpacks usually get it right.
  • A one-bag solution needs to be large enough for camera gear and hiking gear: water, fleece, food, rain gear, etc. At least the Ten Essentials.

That is a lot of 'uselesses!' I tend to agree with most of them too. So what bag do you recommend that avoids them all?

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OP Chris 222 Senior Member • Posts: 1,985
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jhorse wrote:

Bobthearch wrote:

Holy hell, I'm not reading all of that.

This has been up for over 7 months, Bob... And while I do not disagree with your Useless List below, please start another thread. Or follow up via PM.

But here are a few things that I wish bag makers and shoppers would consider:

  • If I can't access the camera and lenses while hiking, it's useless.
  • If catching a zipper on a branch can result in camera gear falling out, it's useless.
  • If it's designed so that a leaking water bottle can drip on camera gear, it's useless.
  • If the material isn't durable enough to hold up to abrasions from rocks and scratches from briars and branches, it's useless.
  • Camera bag makers generally suck when it comes to ergonomics, comfort, and adjustability. Outdoor companies experienced in designing daypacks and backpacks usually get it right.
  • A one-bag solution needs to be large enough for camera gear and hiking gear: water, fleece, food, rain gear, etc. At least the Ten Essentials.

That is a lot of 'uselesses!' I tend to agree with most of them too. So what bag do you recommend that avoids them all?

See my comment above.

But let's not slip into OT posts, folks, okay?

@suave. Agree with you although I would not say "zero" resale value, but very low resale value.

Interestingly but not surprisingly, it's just the opposite for the pre-2021 Deuter packs I use and recommend in my OP articles are now nearly impossible to find or selling for insane prices (helping a fellow photographer from Canada right now, saw some truly shocking price levels!) Even used ones, also super hard to find, are selling seriously high (for example, $200 for a like-new DFV60.)

Bobthearch
Bobthearch Forum Pro • Posts: 11,052
Re: BEST BACKPACK / RUCKSACK FOR HIKING PHOTOGRAPHERS (2021)

jhorse wrote:

Bobthearch wrote:

Holy hell, I'm not reading all of that.

But here are a few things that I wish bag makers and shoppers would consider:

  • If I can't access the camera and lenses while hiking, it's useless.
  • If catching a zipper on a branch can result in camera gear falling out, it's useless.
  • If it's designed so that a leaking water bottle can drip on camera gear, it's useless.
  • If the material isn't durable enough to hold up to abrasions from rocks and scratches from briars and branches, it's useless.
  • Camera bag makers generally suck when it comes to ergonomics, comfort, and adjustability. Outdoor companies experienced in designing daypacks and backpacks usually get it right.
  • A one-bag solution needs to be large enough for camera gear and hiking gear: water, fleece, food, rain gear, etc. At least the Ten Essentials.

That is a lot of 'uselesses!' I tend to agree with most of them too. So what bag do you recommend that avoids them all?

The best solution I've found, two bags.  A backpack/daypack for hiking gear, and camera gear in a separate shoulder bag.  With the shoulder bag strap over the backpack strap, the weight is distributed ok.

Any heavy or large camera gear that's not needed at-hand when hiking, it can go in the backpack.

It's really nice to drop the pack and just wander around with the camera, especially on a multi-day trip.

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