Ignorance is bliss.

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JustUs7 Senior Member • Posts: 2,160
Ignorance is bliss.
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Before I really started investing time in learning photography, I didn’t know what I was missing.

I NEED a 70-200 f/2.8, but it ain’t in the budget. 😁 First concert for the kids since Covid started and now I know what I’m missing. F/6.3 at 240 just doesn’t cut it.

What lens did you not realize you needed until you started learning more?

Yes, need is a relative term (which is why I’m living with the higher ISO’s for now).

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Laotze Forum Member • Posts: 78
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I consistently feel the need for more light collection ability as well... Even switching to the fastest primes will only get me around 1 more t-stop right now. Damn you physics!
So, I started looking at other solutions. Have you checked out Topaz Denoise A.I.? It might be a suitable stopgap for you until you bite the bullet on the faster glass.

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MediaArchivist
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Nifty fifty
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A stereotypical answer, perhaps?

A friend I respect recommended I buy one and shoot with it exclusively for a while. So I bought a 50/1.4, and used it (almost) exclusively for a few months (I take several sets of photos every week). Not only did I learn how important a nifty fifty is for the type of work I do, using it exclusively taught me quite a bit about photography!

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OP JustUs7 Senior Member • Posts: 2,160
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MediaArchivist wrote:

A stereotypical answer, perhaps?

A friend I respect recommended I buy one and shoot with it exclusively for a while. So I bought a 50/1.4, and used it (almost) exclusively for a few months (I take several sets of photos every week). Not only did I learn how important a nifty fifty is for the type of work I do, using it exclusively taught me quite a bit about photography!

I have an 85 f/2 I brought. Just wasn’t close enough. Used it for some though.

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bastibe Regular Member • Posts: 417
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My fastest lens is f/2.4. Through many experiments, I discovered that I don't need super-fast lenses.

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Phil A Martin
Phil A Martin Veteran Member • Posts: 4,970
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JustUs7 wrote:

Before I really started investing time in learning photography, I didn’t know what I was missing.

I NEED a 70-200 f/2.8, but it ain’t in the budget. 😁 First concert for the kids since Covid started and now I know what I’m missing. F/6.3 at 240 just doesn’t cut it.

What lens did you not realize you needed until you started learning more?

Yes, need is a relative term (which is why I’m living with the higher ISO’s for now).

I've bought plenty of lenses I thought I needed but eventually rarely used and my "learning" actually increased, when I bought a TLR with a fixed lens, so I could concentrate on making images, rather than fretting about which focal length to use.

Wingsfan
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After my kids took up competitive swimming, I realized I needed a weather sealed f2.8 telephoto (natatoruims are not well lit places, plus splash and moisture intrusion issues).

I ultimately ended up with an F 2.0 zoom to complement my f2.8 lenses, which was really great as a portrait lens also.

I shoot m43, so while people shooting full frame might be able to safely use F 4.0, or crank up the iso, the F 2.8 & F2.0 zooms gave me the safety buffer I needed.

At this point, I rarely use primes or kit lenses.

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lilBuddha Veteran Member • Posts: 6,201
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Phil A Martin wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

Before I really started investing time in learning photography, I didn’t know what I was missing.

I NEED a 70-200 f/2.8, but it ain’t in the budget. 😁 First concert for the kids since Covid started and now I know what I’m missing. F/6.3 at 240 just doesn’t cut it.

What lens did you not realize you needed until you started learning more?

Yes, need is a relative term (which is why I’m living with the higher ISO’s for now).

I've bought plenty of lenses I thought I needed but eventually rarely used and my "learning" actually increased, when I bought a TLR with a fixed lens, so I could concentrate on making images, rather than fretting about which focal length to use.

My learning, and results, increased when I started using primarily zooms. Wide angle zooms, in particular. Experimenting with different focal length and distance combinations opened up much creativity.

yardcoyote Forum Pro • Posts: 13,597
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A real macro lens.

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Glen Barrington
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Yes, and I'm incredibly happy.
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JustUs7 wrote:

Before I really started investing time in learning photography, I didn’t know what I was missing.

I NEED a 70-200 f/2.8, but it ain’t in the budget. 😁 First concert for the kids since Covid started and now I know what I’m missing. F/6.3 at 240 just doesn’t cut it.

What lens did you not realize you needed until you started learning more?

The Olympus Zuiko Pro 12-40 f/2.8! Before, I made do with the DSLR 14-54 (which I still love), and the native kit, Zuiko 14-42 f/4. (great walking around lens, but I tend to walk around with the other two)

Yes, need is a relative term (which is why I’m living with the higher ISO’s for now).

But after I got the 12-40, I realized I NEEDED an optional add-on grip for my E-M5 III.  I'm trying to maintain my ignorance for as long as I can!  It's cheaper that way.

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OP JustUs7 Senior Member • Posts: 2,160
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yardcoyote wrote:

A real macro lens.

Not going to lie. I have a couple half macro lenses that have created quite an itch. That new RF 100 1.4x macro isn’t helping.

Near as I can figure, I’m about $7,500 shy of true happiness.  But then I’ll need to upgrade my camera body.

Maybe I’ll pick up some:

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YWG Senior Member • Posts: 1,076
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JustUs7 wrote:

Before I really started investing time in learning photography, I didn’t know what I was missing.

I NEED a 70-200 f/2.8, but it ain’t in the budget. 😁 First concert for the kids since Covid started and now I know what I’m missing. F/6.3 at 240 just doesn’t cut it.

What lens did you not realize you needed until you started learning more?

Yes, need is a relative term (which is why I’m living with the higher ISO’s for now).

I didn't start off with a kit lens. I started off with faster primes, F2.8 zooms. I had always read how one should upgrade from the kit for superior image quality. As I got away from low light venues and more personal travels, I found during the day I was stopped down. I decided to give a run of the mill 18-55mm a try and then later 14-42 and 12-32 in m43. They were surprisingly good and saved weight.

The last few years I've tapered into low amplitude event work. Just documenting things at the job. I used to be bothered to carry a 70-200mm F2.8 equivalent but all the images get squashed down into newsletters and webpages. So, I just ended up carrying a 75mm F1.8 (150mm equiv). Take a few steps back or forward. Toggle the 2x digital teleconverter for 300mm equiv which takes a 5MP cut of the 20MP image and upsizes. I still have the original file where I can do my own crop but for quick turn around, the quality is very good.

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KCook
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I often lust after specialized lenses.  But end up rarely using them.

ohwell

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John Crowe
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Thirty-eight years in, I have always known what I needed.  It has always been,  "how can I afford it?"

Now, I am only one or two away from my perfect set.  It has been quite an evolution.  I bought a used Canon FD 800mm f5.6 L, a few years back, mostly on a whim since it was so cheap.  I had always wanted one, really just for the heck of it.  I really didn't think it would benefit my photography and I did not anticipate keeping it, but it is now entrenched in my system.  Relying on it allowed me to rearrange my other supertelephoto lenses to better suit my other needs.

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Phil A Martin
Phil A Martin Veteran Member • Posts: 4,970
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KCook wrote:

I often lust after specialized lenses. But end up rarely using them.

ohwell

My point exactly.

john Clinch
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JustUs7 wrote:

Before I really started investing time in learning photography, I didn’t know what I was missing.

I NEED a 70-200 f/2.8, but it ain’t in the budget. 😁 First concert for the kids since Covid started and now I know what I’m missing. F/6.3 at 240 just doesn’t cut it.

What lens did you not realize you needed until you started learning more?

Yes, need is a relative term (which is why I’m living with the higher ISO’s for now).

So you're saying that when you display the pictures of the event, however you intend to use them, they don't meet your needs? Or are you saying at 100% on screen they are a bit of a mess?

I work in a college and took some photos, of a concert, with a 70mm f4.5 lens on 12MP dx sensor. I thought they'd be fine on the web. I shared the processed images with the music teacher. Months later I found he'd printed them all A4 and made a display. They looked great

Phil A Martin
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John Crowe wrote:

Thirty-eight years in, I have always known what I needed. It has always been, "how can I afford it?"

Now, I am only one or two away from my perfect set. It has been quite an evolution. I bought a used Canon FD 800mm f5.6 L, a few years back, mostly on a whim since it was so cheap. I had always wanted one, really just for the heck of it. I really didn't think it would benefit my photography and I did not anticipate keeping it, but it is now entrenched in my system. Relying on it allowed me to rearrange my other supertelephoto lenses to better suit my other needs.

I can't imagine what anyone would shoot an an 800mm lens.

Bob
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My big epiphany was realizing I needed studio lights for professional looking photos. Good lighting trumps all else (megapixels, lens quality, etc.).

lilBuddha Veteran Member • Posts: 6,201
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Phil A Martin wrote:

John Crowe wrote:

Thirty-eight years in, I have always known what I needed. It has always been, "how can I afford it?"

Now, I am only one or two away from my perfect set. It has been quite an evolution. I bought a used Canon FD 800mm f5.6 L, a few years back, mostly on a whim since it was so cheap. I had always wanted one, really just for the heck of it. I really didn't think it would benefit my photography and I did not anticipate keeping it, but it is now entrenched in my system. Relying on it allowed me to rearrange my other supertelephoto lenses to better suit my other needs.

I can't imagine what anyone would shoot an an 800mm lens.

Wildlife.  Outdoor sports. The moon. Thinking a little more about it, I can see a few instances where it would allow me to merge distant elements in the landscape.

Not worth the dosh for me, though.

OP JustUs7 Senior Member • Posts: 2,160
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john Clinch wrote:

JustUs7 wrote:

Before I really started investing time in learning photography, I didn’t know what I was missing.

I NEED a 70-200 f/2.8, but it ain’t in the budget. 😁 First concert for the kids since Covid started and now I know what I’m missing. F/6.3 at 240 just doesn’t cut it.

What lens did you not realize you needed until you started learning more?

Yes, need is a relative term (which is why I’m living with the higher ISO’s for now).

So you're saying that when you display the pictures of the event, however you intend to use them, they don't meet your needs? Or are you saying at 100% on screen they are a bit of a mess?

Not even saying this.  I’m probably taking better event photos of my kids than I have at any point in their lives.  A little more understanding than I had before is making this possible.  I understand better the compromise between motion and visible noise, and I know which compromise is the more acceptable to me.

I just said, “ignorance is bliss”, in my op because I now have the knowledge that a couple extra stops of light via aperture vs pushing ISO would make even better images in that setting.  That knowledge reduces my happiness with the current images, even if only a little bit.

For my actual needs of preserving memories, they really are good enough.  Just doing a little drooling while window shopping.

I added it up.  $7,500 to $10,000 in NEEDS that just aren’t going to happen.  😁

I work in a college and took some photos, of a concert, with a 70mm f4.5 lens on 12MP dx sensor. I thought they'd be fine on the web. I shared the processed images with the music teacher. Months later I found he'd printed them all A4 and made a display. They looked great

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