OK potentially buying into EOS M...

OK quick run through..Initially i started out shooting with Fujifilm gear and ultimately ended up selling it as i was fed up with the lack of lens choice and ultimately how expensive their lenses were, even for a budget lens AND a distinct lack of anything at the telephoto end other than a £1300 100-400 or a budget 50-230mm..

So i ended up selling my ILC kit and bought myself a Panasonic FZ1000 as i figured it would be a "do-it-all-mostly" type of package for riding about on my motorbike and shooting some nice scenery and then passing bikers etc and it certainly does tick a lot of boxes but also leaves you wanting a little bit sometimes at the tele end and other times at the wide end.

Now im at the point were i fancy another ILC initially looked again at Fuji but decided that i would probably end up frustrated at the lack of lens options again.. then i had a look at MFT and that is a potential maybe but i started having a look around and stumbled across these EOS M range of Canon cameras - i really like what im seeing from them, the images look very clean and pop with nice colour and there is obviously a vast array of lenses from Canon that can be used with an official adapter but also the EOS M range of lenses from both canon and then third party options LAOWA/SIGMA etc.

I really enjoy a wide prime lens, i love that look a wide angle lens gives you, the whole pushing the backround away and a slight distortion on your subject if its close enough - just a personal prefence, but having looked at the official EOS M wide angle 11-22mm am i missing something? it doesnt appear to give that wide angle "look" im after unless some of you people can post some pics showing it infact can/does, would the 10-18 or the Laowa 9mm be a better option?I absolutely love what iv seen from the EOS-M 22mm pancake, i think that is a hidden gem!!!!

iamneallyons wrote:

I really enjoy a wide prime lens, i love that look a wide angle lens gives you, the whole pushing the backround away and a slight distortion on your subject if its close enough - just a personal prefence, but having looked at the official EOS M wide angle 11-22mm am i missing something? it doesnt appear to give that wide angle "look" im after unless some of you people can post some pics showing it infact can/does, would the 10-18 or the Laowa 9mm be a better option?

Hi, Neal.

EF-M 11-22mm is reputed as an excellent lens. Check some photos here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4566481

I absolutely love what iv seen from the EOS-M 22mm pancake, i think that is a hidden gem!!!!

Check some photos taken with EF-M 22mm lens here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4474935

Thunder storm. EF-M 22mm

See if they please you.

iamneallyons wrote:

OK quick run through..Initially i started out shooting with Fujifilm gear and ultimately ended up selling it as i was fed up with the lack of lens choice and ultimately how expensive their lenses were, even for a budget lens AND a distinct lack of anything at the telephoto end other than a £1300 100-400 or a budget 50-230mm..

So i ended up selling my ILC kit and bought myself a Panasonic FZ1000 as i figured it would be a "do-it-all-mostly" type of package for riding about on my motorbike and shooting some nice scenery and then passing bikers etc and it certainly does tick a lot of boxes but also leaves you wanting a little bit sometimes at the tele end and other times at the wide end.

Now im at the point were i fancy another ILC initially looked again at Fuji but decided that i would probably end up frustrated at the lack of lens options again.. then i had a look at MFT and that is a potential maybe but i started having a look around and stumbled across these EOS M range of Canon cameras - i really like what im seeing from them, the images look very clean and pop with nice colour and there is obviously a vast array of lenses from Canon that can be used with an official adapter but also the EOS M range of lenses from both canon and then third party options LAOWA/SIGMA etc.

I really enjoy a wide prime lens, i love that look a wide angle lens gives you, the whole pushing the backround away and a slight distortion on your subject if its close enough - just a personal prefence, but having looked at the official EOS M wide angle 11-22mm am i missing something? it doesnt appear to give that wide angle "look" im after unless some of you people can post some pics showing it infact can/does, would the 10-18 or the Laowa 9mm be a better option?I absolutely love what iv seen from the EOS-M 22mm pancake, i think that is a hidden gem!!!!

The 11-22mm is one of the better UWA lenses around - a great little lens. Perhaps the reason you don't see a more typical UWA "distorted" look to the photos is because of the good lens corrections that can be applied, especially using Canon's DPP software (free) ?

A search here will reveal a number of threads with images from the 11-22mm, including a couple of threads dedicated to only images from this lens - I am sure you will find some with the perspective distortion that you seek.

At 11mm it is pretty wide. It is, IMO, a much better lens for a M body than either Canon's 10-18mm (adapted) or 10-22mm (adapted) - it is much smaller, lighter and generally sharper than either of them, and the 4 stop IS is good.

I cannot comment on the Laowa 9mm, but I am sure that if you do a search here you will find a few threads discussing it.

The 22mm is a nice little lens - very compact. It lacks IS, so I generally use my 11-22mm, and only break out the 22mm when light is very low.

Colin

The EF adapter gives access to every single EF lens ever made, that is considerably greater number than the total number of Fuji lenses.

The safest bet in Canon is simply to buy the EOS RP.

You get the future proof RF mount and full compat with adapter to every EF lens.

EF-M 11-22 is peerless with no counterpart in price/performance available for any format

iamneallyons wrote:

OK quick run through..Initially i started out shooting with Fujifilm gear and ultimately ended up selling it as i was fed up with the lack of lens choice and ultimately how expensive their lenses were, even for a budget lens AND a distinct lack of anything at the telephoto end other than a £1300 100-400 or a budget 50-230mm..

So i ended up selling my ILC kit and bought myself a Panasonic FZ1000 as i figured it would be a "do-it-all-mostly" type of package for riding about on my motorbike and shooting some nice scenery and then passing bikers etc and it certainly does tick a lot of boxes but also leaves you wanting a little bit sometimes at the tele end and other times at the wide end.

Now im at the point were i fancy another ILC initially looked again at Fuji but decided that i would probably end up frustrated at the lack of lens options again.. then i had a look at MFT and that is a potential maybe but i started having a look around and stumbled across these EOS M range of Canon cameras - i really like what im seeing from them, the images look very clean and pop with nice colour and there is obviously a vast array of lenses from Canon that can be used with an official adapter but also the EOS M range of lenses from both canon and then third party options LAOWA/SIGMA etc.

I really enjoy a wide prime lens, i love that look a wide angle lens gives you, the whole pushing the backround away and a slight distortion on your subject if its close enough - just a personal prefence, but having looked at the official EOS M wide angle 11-22mm am i missing something? it doesnt appear to give that wide angle "look" im after unless some of you people can post some pics showing it infact can/does, would the 10-18 or the Laowa 9mm be a better option?I absolutely love what iv seen from the EOS-M 22mm pancake, i think that is a hidden gem!!!!

I feel "obliged" to reply since a long time ago I had a predecessor of the FZ1000, the FZ8. After having changed to Nikon now I have ended up with the EOS M.

I don't have the 11-22mm but I intend to purchase it, also because of the consistently favorable comments concerning this lens.

Before entering a system, one should have a look at the pros and cons, here is my (subjective) evaluation of EOS M:
+ small affordable system
+ good and small native lenses
+ good handling and UI
+ pleasing Canon color rendering
+ good to very good IQ, in this connection I recommend the 32mm (and the 22mm)
- small number of native lenses, especially a convincing standard zoom is missing
- limited signals of Canon how the system is going to continue in the future

Because of the last reason, I tested two Fuji cameras, but after that I decided to stick with Canon. Fuji does offer more native lenses, but that's (to my mind) the only gain in comparison to EOS M. Fuji cameras and lenses are more expensive and often tend to FF concerning size and weight.

For me, FF is no option because of size, weight and costs. And if you regard the fun/size-factor, EOS M is hard to beat.

Kind regards,
rz64

IoannisZ wrote:

In the m43 forum they say similar things about their system (and they have dozens and dozens of lenses). Economy doesn't have a place anymore in photography like it had years ago. Not today that your smartphone can take very good photos.

At play the photograph when the results are not superior to even someone not in photography, doesn't make sense to me.

I cannot influence what forists say in M43 forum. And I have written that my evaluation of EOS M is a subjective one.
Before the EOS M I also tested M43. But there were several points which did not convince me, like the sensor size factor 4/3 and color rendering.

Of course, the longer you use a system, the more you know strong and weak points of it. Either you are convinced from your system and you accept the weak points, otherwise you turn away. And my intention is to stick with EOS M.

Furthermore, for me economy still has a place in photography. And to my mind, the EOS M is a very good compromise concerning size, weight, handling, IQ, color rendering and costs.

Finally, photography also has a lot to do with "impressions" and "feelings", things a smartphone is (to my mind) hardly able to give.

IoannisZ wrote:

With the adapter the only sure thing is that you can see through the lense. Autofocus and all other automatisms are things not 100% that will work like they should.

LET'S be sincere. Economic are the reasons that he wants to change system. He must be the first person that he used fuji and he wasn't impressed by the pop up of the jpeg files or by the quality of their lenses.

There is 100% compatibility between EF lenses and M/R cameras.

I have EF 50/1.8, EF-S 24/2.8 and EF 70-300L and they all work like a charm.0

Well I guess we have us a whizzin’ match...🙃

100% on my refurb M50 with refurb adapter-

EF 1.4x II

EF 28mm f/1.8

EF 85mm f/1.8 x 2

EF 100 f/2.8 macro

EF 135 f/2.0L

EF 200 f/2.8L

EF-S 10-22 f/3.5-4.5

EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-4.5 STM

Tamron 17-35 f/2.8-4.0

Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 XR Di

YMMV...of course.

😏

iamneallyons wrote:

rz64 wrote:

iamneallyons wrote:

OK quick run through..Initially i started out shooting with Fujifilm gear and ultimately ended up selling it as i was fed up with the lack of lens choice and ultimately how expensive their lenses were, even for a budget lens AND a distinct lack of anything at the telephoto end other than a £1300 100-400 or a budget 50-230mm..

So i ended up selling my ILC kit and bought myself a Panasonic FZ1000 as i figured it would be a "do-it-all-mostly" type of package for riding about on my motorbike and shooting some nice scenery and then passing bikers etc and it certainly does tick a lot of boxes but also leaves you wanting a little bit sometimes at the tele end and other times at the wide end.

Now im at the point were i fancy another ILC initially looked again at Fuji but decided that i would probably end up frustrated at the lack of lens options again.. then i had a look at MFT and that is a potential maybe but i started having a look around and stumbled across these EOS M range of Canon cameras - i really like what im seeing from them, the images look very clean and pop with nice colour and there is obviously a vast array of lenses from Canon that can be used with an official adapter but also the EOS M range of lenses from both canon and then third party options LAOWA/SIGMA etc.

I really enjoy a wide prime lens, i love that look a wide angle lens gives you, the whole pushing the backround away and a slight distortion on your subject if its close enough - just a personal prefence, but having looked at the official EOS M wide angle 11-22mm am i missing something? it doesnt appear to give that wide angle "look" im after unless some of you people can post some pics showing it infact can/does, would the 10-18 or the Laowa 9mm be a better option?I absolutely love what iv seen from the EOS-M 22mm pancake, i think that is a hidden gem!!!!

I feel "obliged" to reply since a long time ago I had a predecessor of the FZ1000, the FZ8. After having changed to Nikon now I have ended up with the EOS M.

I don't have the 11-22mm but I intend to purchase it, also because of the consistently favorable comments concerning this lens.

Before entering a system, one should have a look at the pros and cons, here is my (subjective) evaluation of EOS M:
+ small affordable system
+ good and small native lenses
+ good handling and UI
+ pleasing Canon color rendering
+ good to very good IQ, in this connection I recommend the 32mm (and the 22mm)
- small number of native lenses, especially a convincing standard zoom is missing
- limited signals of Canon how the system is going to continue in the future

Because of the last reason, I tested two Fuji cameras, but after that I decided to stick with Canon. Fuji does offer more native lenses, but that's (to my mind) the only gain in comparison to EOS M. Fuji cameras and lenses are more expensive and often tend to FF concerning size and weight.

For me, FF is no option because of size, weight and costs. And if you regard the fun/size-factor, EOS M is hard to beat.

Kind regards,
rz64

I know this reply is a long time on however i appreciate your comment here, just revisiting all of this now infact...

Every point you made is the reason im looking into the M series, the fact you can use an adapter and get access to the EF lenses is a massive bonus... i was looking into the MFT options too but im not sure about the sensor size, i dont know if i would be left longing for at least the apsc sensor - as you say im not blown away by the MFT images and the colour reproduction.

As far as fuji is concerned i was always disappointed by the lack of tele options - it was basically a 100-400mm thats £1000+ or the next best thing was a budget XC 50-230mm lens, nothing in between.

Since it took you so long, you ought to be able to find some M gear on the used market at decent prices. Here in Germany are a few M6ii and M50ii with lenses up for sale.

The EF larger tele lenses do not balance well on M bodies. The EF-S 55-250MM STM IS is a nice alternative and okay for bulk and weight.

iamneallyons wrote:

Every point you made is the reason im looking into the M series, the fact you can use an adapter and get access to the EF lenses is a massive bonus... i was looking into the MFT options too but im not sure about the sensor size, i dont know if i would be left longing for at least the apsc sensor - as you say im not blown away by the MFT images and the colour reproduction.

As far as fuji is concerned i was always disappointed by the lack of tele options - it was basically a 100-400mm thats £1000+ or the next best thing was a budget XC 50-230mm lens, nothing in between.

Get yourself to the Canon Refurb Store ASAP and pick up one of the great EF-S 55-250 STM zooms for only $99. Not sure how long they'll stay in stock (I've been tempted to just buy a second one on principle! )...

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-s-55-250mm-f-4-5-6-is-stm

Happy shopping!

R2

Edit: OK OK I couldn't stand it any more.  I just had to buy a second 55-250 STM!  I'll lend it to a lucky shooter for now. 

nnowak wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

iamneallyons wrote:

Every point you made is the reason im looking into the M series, the fact you can use an adapter and get access to the EF lenses is a massive bonus... i was looking into the MFT options too but im not sure about the sensor size, i dont know if i would be left longing for at least the apsc sensor - as you say im not blown away by the MFT images and the colour reproduction.

As far as fuji is concerned i was always disappointed by the lack of tele options - it was basically a 100-400mm thats £1000+ or the next best thing was a budget XC 50-230mm lens, nothing in between.

Get yourself to the Canon Refurb Store ASAP and pick up one of the great EF-S 55-250 STM zooms for only $99. Not sure how long they'll stay in stock (I've been tempted to just buy a second one on principle! )...

https://www.usa.canon.com/shop/p/refurbished-ef-s-55-250mm-f-4-5-6-is-stm

Happy shopping!

R2

Edit: OK OK I couldn't stand it any more. I just had to buy a second 55-250 STM! I'll lend it to a lucky shooter for now.

Pretty sure the OP is not in the USA and would not be able to purchase from the refurb site.

Dang.  Too bad.