DPReview.com is closing April 10th - Find out more

Wide angle fast prime

Started Apr 27, 2021 | Discussions
Chuck_G Regular Member • Posts: 184
Wide angle fast prime

I am looking at possibly buying a fast(ish) prime lenses for indoor use as museums and similar places reopen. I have the 12-60 3.5-5.6 kit lens, the 45-150 kit lens, and the 30mm 2.8 macro. Should I pick up something in the 12 to 14mm range? I looked at a lot of my previous indoor shots. These were shot using a Sony a77 and Tamron 18-270. Nearly all of them are at 18mm, roughly 27mm FF equivalent. I have been looking at the Panasonic 14mm 2.5 and wondered if it would be noticeablely better indoors than the 12-60? Or should I wait and get a 12mm 1.4 or similar?

Thanks.

 Chuck_G's gear list:Chuck_G's gear list
Sony Alpha DSLR-A300 Sony SLT-A77 Panasonic G85 Sony DT 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 Tamron 18-270mm F3.5-6.3 Di II PZD +3 more
Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 II ASPH Sony a7 Sony SLT-A77
If you believe there are incorrect tags, please send us this post using our feedback form.
Trolleyman Senior Member • Posts: 1,048
Re: Wide angle fast prime
1

If you go for the 12/1.4 make sure its from somewhere who do returns with no hassle.

Even better where you can try before you buy, lot of sample variation with this lens.

 Trolleyman's gear list:Trolleyman's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Panasonic Lumix DC-GX9 Olympus 12-40mm F2.8 Pro Panasonic Leica DG Summilux 15mm F1.7 ASPH Olympus 12-100mm F4.0 +3 more
motormatic Contributing Member • Posts: 521
Re: Wide angle fast prime

Chuck_G wrote:

I have been looking at the Panasonic 14mm 2.5 and wondered if it would be noticeablely better indoors than the 12-60?

In terms of speed or sharpness?

At 14mm, the zoom will be only about one stop slower than the prime. Personally, I have a hard time justifying a new lens for a single stop exposure gain.

Since you mentioned 18mm, there's the olympus 17/1.8. Now you would be getting more than two stops of exposure gain, which for museums where flash cannot be used might be worth the expense.

Can't coment on sharpness, since I own none of those lenses.

jeffharris
jeffharris Forum Pro • Posts: 11,409
Re: Wide angle fast prime
7

Chuck_G wrote:

I am looking at possibly buying a fast(ish) prime lenses for indoor use as museums and similar places reopen. I have the 12-60 3.5-5.6 kit lens, the 45-150 kit lens, and the 30mm 2.8 macro. Should I pick up something in the 12 to 14mm range? I looked at a lot of my previous indoor shots. These were shot using a Sony a77 and Tamron 18-270. Nearly all of them are at 18mm, roughly 27mm FF equivalent. I have been looking at the Panasonic 14mm 2.5 and wondered if it would be noticeablely better indoors than the 12-60? Or should I wait and get a 12mm 1.4 or similar?

Panasonic 15mm f1.7. An excellent lens!

The 14mm f2.5 is a nice little lens, but kind of slow. That’s why it’s so tiny.

 jeffharris's gear list:jeffharris's gear list
Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Voigtlander Nokton 25mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 42.5mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 17.5mm F0.95 Aspherical Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 +26 more
Gnine Senior Member • Posts: 4,108
Re: Wide angle fast prime
2

Be daring, go a bit wider. The Laowa 10mm f/2 is brilliant. Wide enough that you can get the distorted ultrawide look, not so wide that you can also get the plain Jane wide angle feel to your images.

Mark Thornton Veteran Member • Posts: 4,570
Re: Wide angle fast prime
2

> Nearly all of them are at 18mm, roughly 27mm FF equivalent.

Because that is the widest you had. Might indicate that you could usefully use something wider.

 Mark Thornton's gear list:Mark Thornton's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX1 Panasonic Lumix DC-GX9 Olympus Zuiko Digital 11-22mm 1:2.8-3.5 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm F1.8 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 12mm 1:2 +8 more
CruisinonRt66
CruisinonRt66 Regular Member • Posts: 162
Re: Wide angle fast prime
4

Hi, I have both PL15mm 1.7 and the PL25mm 1.4. Both do great indoors and recommended for museums. The PL 25 is very fast and lets in the most light, combined with your stabilzed camera you can get good hand held shots without flash. The focal length is good for getting closer from a bit of a distance to the exibits that might be out of reach or barricaded off. Regards.

 CruisinonRt66's gear list:CruisinonRt66's gear list
Panasonic LX100 II Panasonic Lumix DC-FZ1000 II Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF8 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX85 Panasonic GX850 +8 more
Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
Re: Wide angle fast prime
1

The Oly 8/1.8 fisheye on a newer Oly body gives the option of the native focal length and corrected (rectilinear) shooting. Unusual for a lens that wide to be so fast. Also, the Laowa 7.5 mentioned earlier is a much more affordable option, so long as you don't mind manual focus and aperture.

If you're shooting the interior and not just the artwork, you'll want something no longer than 12mm, and wider is better for tighter spaces.

Good luck!

Rick

-- hide signature --

Equivalence and diffraction-free since 2009.
You can be too; ask about our 12-step program.

OP Chuck_G Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: Wide angle fast prime

There have been plenty of times where I would have liked something wider. I was thinking of picking up a lens 15mm or wider. For most interior shots manual focus would not be a problem. I wasn't sure how good some of these non Oly or Pana lenses were optically and build construction. I have seen some that were fairly inexpensive. O might just rent a couple of lenses and try them. I did look at the PL 10-14 zoom but it's out of my budget for now.

 Chuck_G's gear list:Chuck_G's gear list
Sony Alpha DSLR-A300 Sony SLT-A77 Panasonic G85 Sony DT 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 Tamron 18-270mm F3.5-6.3 Di II PZD +3 more
jeffharris
jeffharris Forum Pro • Posts: 11,409
Re: Wide angle fast prime
1

Gnine wrote:

Be daring, go a bit wider. The Laowa 10mm f/2 is brilliant. Wide enough that you can get the distorted ultrawide look, not so wide that you can also get the plain Jane wide angle feel to your images.

I love the 20mm angle of view!

My fave film lens was my Nikon 20mm f2.8 AI-S.

That Laowa looks really tempting!

 jeffharris's gear list:jeffharris's gear list
Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Voigtlander Nokton 25mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 42.5mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 17.5mm F0.95 Aspherical Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 +26 more
jeffharris
jeffharris Forum Pro • Posts: 11,409
Re: Wide angle fast prime
2

CruisinonRt66 wrote:

Hi, I have both PL15mm 1.7 and the PL25mm 1.4. Both do great indoors and recommended for museums. The PL 25 is very fast and lets in the most light, combined with your stabilzed camera you can get good hand held shots without flash. The focal length is good for getting closer from a bit of a distance to the exibits that might be out of reach or barricaded off. Regards.

My favorite 2 lens combo are the 17.5mm and 42.5mm. They give a nice range and knowing when to swap lenses is a no-brainer.

I could see the 15mm and 42.5mm f1.7 set for AF lenses.

 jeffharris's gear list:jeffharris's gear list
Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Voigtlander Nokton 25mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 42.5mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 17.5mm F0.95 Aspherical Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 +26 more
OP Chuck_G Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: Wide angle fast prime
1

Thank you all for the suggestions. While I would love to get some of the PL lenses, they may be a bit out of the budget especially the 12mm 1.4. Has anyone used the Rokinon 12mm 2.0? I read a couple of reviews and it has received generally good reviews. The price is attractive at about $300 U.S. right now. The Laowa 10mm someone mentioned looks intriguing as well.

 Chuck_G's gear list:Chuck_G's gear list
Sony Alpha DSLR-A300 Sony SLT-A77 Panasonic G85 Sony DT 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 Tamron 18-270mm F3.5-6.3 Di II PZD +3 more
Eric Nepean
Eric Nepean Veteran Member • Posts: 6,209
Re: Wide angle fast prime

Skeeterbytes wrote:

The Oly 8/1.8 fisheye on a newer Oly body gives the option of the native focal length and corrected (rectilinear) shooting. Unusual for a lens that wide to be so fast. Also, the Laowa 7.5 mentioned earlier is a much more affordable option, so long as you don't mind manual focus and aperture.

If you're shooting the interior and not just the artwork, you'll want something no longer than 12mm, and wider is better for tighter spaces.

Good luck!

Rick

What is the field of view of the 8mm F/1.8 after it is converted to rectilinear?

I'm guessing that because some of the edge material will be discarded, it will have a FOV similar to a slightly longer focal length rectilinear lens.

I presume that converting to rectilinear will drop the resolution towards the edges of the image, and increase it in the center.

I wouldn't see this a negative, I've been looking for a 10mm-ish rectilinear native lens, it seems possible that a converted and trimmed images from the 8mm F/1.8 fisheye migh actually be that.

-- hide signature --

Cheers
Eric
(Feel free to edit and repost any image that I have posted in a DPR, as long as you identify me as the original poster)

 Eric Nepean's gear list:Eric Nepean's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TS3 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Olympus E-M1 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM5 +73 more
Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
Re: Wide angle fast prime
1

Eric Nepean wrote:

Skeeterbytes wrote:

The Oly 8/1.8 fisheye on a newer Oly body gives the option of the native focal length and corrected (rectilinear) shooting. Unusual for a lens that wide to be so fast. Also, the Laowa 7.5 mentioned earlier is a much more affordable option, so long as you don't mind manual focus and aperture.

If you're shooting the interior and not just the artwork, you'll want something no longer than 12mm, and wider is better for tighter spaces.

Good luck!

Rick

What is the field of view of the 8mm F/1.8 after it is converted to rectilinear?

I'm guessing that because some of the edge material will be discarded, it will have a FOV similar to a slightly longer focal length rectilinear lens.

I presume that converting to rectilinear will drop the resolution towards the edges of the image, and increase it in the center.

I wouldn't see this a negative, I've been looking for a 10mm-ish rectilinear native lens, it seems possible that a converted and trimmed images from the 8mm F/1.8 fisheye migh actually be that.

Per Oly support:

The three levels of the in camera compensation are :
1 (widest): approx 5.5mm (11mm equiv. to 35mm)
2. approx 7mm (14mm equiv. to 35mm)
3. approx 9mm (18mm equiv. to 35mm)

I didn't see a pixel dimension spec for the two cropped image options in the place I snagged this. Suspect part of the advantage of handling it in-camera is you see the final image in the viewfinder while composing.

Cheers,

Rick

-- hide signature --

Equivalence and diffraction-free since 2009.
You can be too; ask about our 12-step program.

bofo777 Senior Member • Posts: 2,267
Re: Wide angle fast prime

If 17mm is wide enough for you the Olympus 17mm 1.2 would be the best bet  .. One of the fastest lenses and also a lens you would never never want to return ..

 bofo777's gear list:bofo777's gear list
Olympus E-1 Olympus E-M1 Olympus E-M1 II Olympus E-M1 III Fujifilm GFX 100S +17 more
Tatouzou
Tatouzou Senior Member • Posts: 2,081
Re: what about the Oly 12mm f2?
1

Chuck_G wrote:

Thank you all for the suggestions. While I would love to get some of the PL lenses, they may be a bit out of the budget especially the 12mm 1.4. Has anyone used the Rokinon 12mm 2.0? I read a couple of reviews and it has received generally good reviews. The price is attractive at about $300 U.S. right now. The Laowa 10mm someone mentioned looks intriguing as well.

The Oly 12mm f2 is a high end AF prime, truly wide, highly praised and very tiny.

It is expensive but nevertheless half the price of the Panasonic Leica 12mm f1.4.

-- hide signature --
 Tatouzou's gear list:Tatouzou's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-LF1 Pentax K-3 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM5 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 Pentax smc DA 17-70mm F4.0 AL (IF) SDM +24 more
bs1946
bs1946 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,780
Re: Wide angle fast prime

I have the Panasonic-Leica Summilux 15mm f1.7 and the Olympus M. 12mm f2.0. Both excellent wide-angle lenses and I would highly recommend either one.

I also briefly used the Laowa 10mm f2.0, which I currently have for sale on eBay. Nothing wrong with this excellent lens but wider than I expected. It's a bit unusual in that it's a manual focus lens but laowa removed the aperture ring, and added electrical contacts to allow the user to set the aperture in the camera, like most AF lenses, and also provide exif data.

-- hide signature --

Bill S.
www.flickr.com/photos/wrs1946
instagram.com@billschaffel
“Sharpness is a bourgeois concept”
– Henri Cartier-Bresson -

 bs1946's gear list:bs1946's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DC-GX9 Panasonic 20mm F1.7 II Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 II ASPH Panasonic 12-60mm F3.5-5.6 OIS Apple iPhone 12 Pro Max
generationfourth Regular Member • Posts: 301
Re: Wide angle fast prime

Mark Thornton wrote:

> Nearly all of them are at 18mm, roughly 27mm FF equivalent.

Because that is the widest you had. Might indicate that you could usefully use something wider.

I noticed this with my LR stats. Most were at 12 or 100 mm. First thing I did, as an admitted prime addict, was learn to use the full range of my zooms. Second is I ventured past those lengths; the 8-11mm in particular was a whole other world.

 generationfourth's gear list:generationfourth's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF1 Olympus E-M1 III Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Panasonic 12-35mm F2.8 Panasonic Lumix G X Vario 35-100mm F2.8 OIS +4 more
CruisinonRt66
CruisinonRt66 Regular Member • Posts: 162
Re: Wide angle fast prime

Chuck, here is an interesting article I came across and he talks highly of the Rokinon 12mm this might help you. i did have used a Rokinon 7.5mm and was impressed with the color and sharpness.

https://shotkit.com/best-micro-four-thirds-lenses/

 CruisinonRt66's gear list:CruisinonRt66's gear list
Panasonic LX100 II Panasonic Lumix DC-FZ1000 II Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF8 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX85 Panasonic GX850 +8 more
jeffharris
jeffharris Forum Pro • Posts: 11,409
Re: Wide angle fast prime
1

bs1946 wrote:

I also briefly used the Laowa 10mm f2.0, which I currently have for sale on eBay. Nothing wrong with this excellent lens but wider than I expected. It's a bit unusual in that it's a manual focus lens but laowa removed the aperture ring, and added electrical contacts to allow the user to set the aperture in the camera, like most AF lenses, and also provide exif data.

I find that a really bizarre design choice.

If you're buying a manual lens, a big part of the appeal is the aperture ring.

I like manual lenses because they're 100% manual. A mechanical aperture is just a great thing to use.

 jeffharris's gear list:jeffharris's gear list
Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Voigtlander Nokton 25mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 42.5mm F0.95 Voigtlander Nokton 17.5mm F0.95 Aspherical Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX8 +26 more
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads