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kaphinga
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Keep 'Em Coming
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Please keep the pictures coming.  I am enjoying it all vicariously.

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Re: Whats lenses to take to Egypt?
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mfuhlendorf wrote:

Hey guys,

I want opinions! I'll be going to Egypt for the first time next week, and I'm super excited. I want to travel super light, as many cities are in the itinerary: Cairo, Luxor, Aswan, Qena, Hurghada, Alexandria...

I will take only my GX-85 with 4 spare batteries, a mini tripods, polarizers and some lenses. I might take also my Olympus E-PM2 converted do infrared, not sure yet. My current lens list is this:

  • Samyang 7.5mm f3.5 fisheye
  • Panasonic 12-35mm f2.8
  • Panasonic 20mm f1.7
  • Olympus 75-300mm f4.8-6.7 II

I would love to take lenses for all occasions but I want to carry as little as possible for maximum flexibility. Other options in the lenses I own include:

  • Super wide: SLR Magic 8mm f4, Meike 6.5mm f2; Olympus 8mm f8 fisheye cap;
  • Standard zooms: Panasonic 12-32mm f3.5-5.6, Olympus 14-42mm f3.5-5.6;
  • Wide aperture: Olympus 25mm f1.8, Olympus 45mm f1.8, SLR Magic 12mm t1.6;
  • Tele zoom: Olympus 40-150mm f4-5.6 R;
  • Macro: Olympus 60mm f2.8;

So, I can't take it all. I want to have the most flexibility and lowest weight. Best cost-benefit in weight vs flexibility, I might say. I'm mostly torn between the wide aperture options, on whether to take the 75-300 or the 40-150 plastic Oly, on choosing the 7.5mm fisheye vs the 8mm rectilinear lens, and on whether taking the macro too is a good idea.

If you have been there, what do you think? Is the 300mm necessary, or 150mm is enough for details of the huge monuments and perspective compression shots? Is the macro useful? Fisheye or extreme wide 8mm (wish I had a wide zoom, would be perfect)? Is the infrared body worth it?

Any other tips for the trip itself as a hobbyist photographer?

Cheers,

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12-60 mm

20mm

55-100mm (cheap and light)

BACKUP BODY - the most crucial thing of all. And maybe a backup charger too, as well as lots of batteries.

There's a strong case for taking the 12-60 and nothing else - except you need a backup lens as well as a backup body. Backups are more important than the choice of lens, when you are travelling a long way away from eBay or your favourite camera shop.

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I'd be careful with the drinking water in Egypt. Bottled only. Giardia is lurking.

Yes. Its kinda painful to me, as I reuse bottles always in Brazil and use glass or metal most of the time to reduce my plastic footprint...

Here we are going to the market and buying 1.5 liter bottles by the dozen to take everyday.

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Re: Keep 'Em Coming
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Whenever I have some free time I will

I also post daily to Instagram @mfuhlendorf

These were from today's Giza Plateau tourist trap tour :

Keep in mind that I'm an amateur, my formal training is in video not stills, and that many of not most of these are almost shot blind: only shots taken at eye level were properly composed, those where I had to use the flip screen were just guessed as the sun is overpowering and the screen almost impossible to see 🤷

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Re: Are you in Egypt now?

mfuhlendorf wrote:

First, I'd like to profusely thank everyone who gave an opinion or any tips in this thread, even if I didn't responded personally to all posts (I'd expected like 2-3 replies, it was surprising). It felt like a real internet community, something so lacking days, and so lovely.

So, this is what I ended up bringing:

  • Panasonic GX-85 with 4 batteries and charger;
  • Olympus E-PM2 converted to infrared with 2 batteries and charger;
  • Olympus M.Zuiko 75-300mm II;
  • Olympus M.Zuiko 40-150mm R;
  • Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8;
  • Olympus 14-42mm II with a gel 950nm filter cut into the front of the lens, held in place with an UV filter;
  • Panasonic 20mm f/1.7;
  • SLR Magic 8mm rectilinear f/4;
  • A pocket tripod just in case;
  • A couple of polarizers and variable ND filters;
  • A pocket GPS device that takes AA batteries to create GPX tracks for geotagging the pictures later.

In the end, a little bit more than intended to keep it light, decided to err on the side of excess... My plan is no taking all of this most of the time. Decided to take the 40-150mm as well, since it will be used more often than the 75-300mm, and save the longer lens for the Nile cruise and stuff like it. The other lenses are small and light, won't be a bother, and a large part of the overall weight is chargers and accessories so, most days my bag will be very much lighter than the full list above. Hoping for the best!

Even all of that gear together it is still smaller/lighter than my Sony A700 + Sony A100 + 4 lenses + batteries/charger + netbook (remember them?) and so on in 2009.   Definitely I have enjoyed traveling with m4/3 gear better than my earlier DSLRs and FSLRs.

Right this moment it's 3h53 AM in Doha, U.A.E., where I'm at the airport waiting for my flight's long layover to end. Will get to Cairo at around 11 AM local time Friday, which is like 1AM EST if I'm not mistaken.

Since so many people helped me, I'll try to post things here when I have time and WiFi during the trip, open to all criticism and tips.

Yes, please post!

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Egypt is challenging alone
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mfuhlendorf wrote:

Had a major airport hassle, when the guard at immigration handed out passports to someone we assumed was immigration. We were grilled about everything, who we were, where we were going, for how long, where did we work, etc. They took us through manual baggage check, all very official looking, we got really scared. Turns out the guy was a tour guide who held our passports for over an hour while trying to sell us on all his tours forcibly. When we declined repeatedly, he got REALLY mad before letting us go, not before threatening to call airport security on us. Not the best of starts...

I didn't experience that scam in 2009, fortunately. I was traveling alone in Egypt for about a month with no plan or itinerary. I just played it by ear each day so I had no hotel reservations or anything. Being alone and not in a group with a tour leader who handled stuff and provided a buffer and filter meant I was constantly dealing with scam artists, hangers on, etc. I have traveled a lot so I never got taken in, but it was a constant struggle and hassle.

My default position is to be courteous, polite, respectful, and friendly to everyone until or unless they prove themselves unworthy of that. Egypt tried my patience the most of any country I have ever traveled in though. Vietnam in 2010 was next (although Vietnam in 2000 was okay -- in 10 years the country had such an increase in tourists that the scam artists, who maybe studied in Egypt, had time to perfect their craft ).

I found over the month I was traveling that there seemed to be a playbook and this was the progression. If at any step you comply and go along with them or buy something then they don't need to go to the next step.

1. Super friendly. "Hello, my friend! Where are you from? What hotel are you staying at?"

2. Start trying to entice you to buy something, come to a shop, fall for their scam, etc.

3. Getting more insistent, sometimes holding your arm, refusing to leave you alone, etc.

4. Finally it would sometimes end up with them getting very angry, shouting, calling you names, and being very intimidating.

After awhile it was my feeling that step 4 was just part of the act. It seemed like genuine anger and almost threatening violence, but they knew that lots of travelers were probably intimidated by Arab muslims so they took advantage of that and convincingly pretended. Whatever it took to get your money. I never gave in to the threats and intimidation and nothing ever happened. I would, if necessary, physically remove their hands from my arm and then walk away. Of course, not every interaction went to step 4. Some I was able to get away from in step 3 and on rare occasions even on step 2.

The really sad thing about it is that it makes you suspicious of everyone who seems even a bit friendly. Of course, some people aren't trying to scam you and I enjoy meeting people and talking to them. I would always start off, as I said, in a friendly way, but in the back of my mind I was always waiting for them to start their scam. Often they did, but a few times the person really was just a good, friendly person and didn't want anything from me other than a bit of friendly conversation.

Good luck! Egypt was great otherwise!

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Are you back from Egypt yet?

Henry Richardson wrote:

mfuhlendorf wrote:

Had a major airport hassle, when the guard at immigration handed out passports to someone we assumed was immigration. We were grilled about everything, who we were, where we were going, for how long, where did we work, etc. They took us through manual baggage check, all very official looking, we got really scared. Turns out the guy was a tour guide who held our passports for over an hour while trying to sell us on all his tours forcibly. When we declined repeatedly, he got REALLY mad before letting us go, not before threatening to call airport security on us. Not the best of starts...

I didn't experience that scam in 2009, fortunately. I was traveling alone in Egypt for about a month with no plan or itinerary. I just played it by ear each day so I had no hotel reservations or anything. Being alone and not in a group with a tour leader who handled stuff and provided a buffer and filter meant I was constantly dealing with scam artists, hangers on, etc. I have traveled a lot so I never got taken in, but it was a constant struggle and hassle.

My default position is to be courteous, polite, respectful, and friendly to everyone until or unless they prove themselves unworthy of that. Egypt tried my patience the most of any country I have ever traveled in though. Vietnam in 2010 was next (although Vietnam in 2000 was okay -- in 10 years the country had such an increase in tourists that the scam artists, who maybe studied in Egypt, had time to perfect their craft ).

I found over the month I was traveling that there seemed to be a playbook and this was the progression. If at any step you comply and go along with them or buy something then they don't need to go to the next step.

1. Super friendly. "Hello, my friend! Where are you from? What hotel are you staying at?"

2. Start trying to entice you to buy something, come to a shop, fall for their scam, etc.

3. Getting more insistent, sometimes holding your arm, refusing to leave you alone, etc.

4. Finally it would sometimes end up with them getting very angry, shouting, calling you names, and being very intimidating.

After awhile it was my feeling that step 4 was just part of the act. It seemed like genuine anger and almost threatening violence, but they knew that lots of travelers were probably intimidated by Arab muslims so they took advantage of that and convincingly pretended. Whatever it took to get your money. I never gave in to the threats and intimidation and nothing ever happened. I would, if necessary, physically remove their hands from my arm and then walk away. Of course, not every interaction went to step 4. Some I was able to get away from in step 3 and on rare occasions even on step 2.

The really sad thing about it is that it makes you suspicious of everyone who seems even a bit friendly. Of course, some people aren't trying to scam you and I enjoy meeting people and talking to them. I would always start off, as I said, in a friendly way, but in the back of my mind I was always waiting for them to start their scam. Often they did, but a few times the person really was just a good, friendly person and didn't want anything from me other than a bit of friendly conversation.

Good luck! Egypt was great otherwise!

Hope your gear worked out okay for you!

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You and the dogs are enjoying Egypt!
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You and the dogs are enjoying Egypt! Here is Japan we are_still_ waiting for vaccinations. Forget all the stereotypes of efficient, competent, works-like-clockwork Japan. Think Keystone Kops.

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Re: Whats lenses to take to Egypt?
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Hi, this thread is a bit old (6 months old), but this thread is closest to my topic/question of interest.

We are planning trip to Egypt. We read that camera cannot be taken into pyramids and must be left at the entrance. Sure, that is no issue. I will follow the rules. But as long as my camera gear is safe at the entrance. My wife claims it is better not to bring the camera on the trip, as it is not safe. (Maybe she is tired of waiting on me to take photos.  )

Can you share your experience on what happens when you have to enter the passage under the pyramid. Is there well organized staff that will watch over personal belonging (including camera gear)? Is it safe to leave the camera gear at the entrance?  Many website said it doesn't appear to be safe, as the cameras or bags are just left on the ground.

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Re: Whats lenses to take to Egypt?
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D00M wrote:

Hi, this thread is a bit old (6 months old), but this thread is closest to my topic/question of interest.

We are planning trip to Egypt. We read that camera cannot be taken into pyramids and must be left at the entrance. Sure, that is no issue. I will follow the rules. But as long as my camera gear is safe at the entrance. My wife claims it is better not to bring the camera on the trip, as it is not safe. (Maybe she is tired of waiting on me to take photos. )

Can you share your experience on what happens when you have to enter the passage under the pyramid. Is there well organized staff that will watch over personal belonging (including camera gear)? Is it safe to leave the camera gear at the entrance? Many website said it doesn't appear to be safe, as the cameras or bags are just left on the ground.

Sorry, I have no experience of the pyramids. If cameras or bags are just left unsupervised on the ground I would be very doubtful about that arrangement. Are you going as part of a group? If there is a group leader, he/she might well have the job of 'guarding' your possessions, so that might be OK. I can see there could be security issues connected to individual situations: you have to research that somehow. But as far as security in general is concerned, my approach is to take whatever I need; leave whatever you are not using in the hotel; take several memory cards or some kind of storage device so that you can leave shots you have taken back in your hotel room. In the end if you get robbed you get robbed - just make sure you're insured. And use common sense. Whenever I have lost stuff when travelling, it's been my own fault largely. Like that drunken evening in a Bangkok bar  ...  And someone in Belgium may well still have my Pentax K5, a 50mm f/1.2 prime, and my (now expired) passport ...

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Re: Whats lenses to take to Egypt?
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D00M wrote:

We are planning trip to Egypt. We read that camera cannot be taken into pyramids and must be left at the entrance. Sure, that is no issue. I will follow the rules. But as long as my camera gear is safe at the entrance. My wife claims it is better not to bring the camera on the trip, as it is not safe. (Maybe she is tired of waiting on me to take photos. )

Can you share your experience on what happens when you have to enter the passage under the pyramid. Is there well organized staff that will watch over personal belonging (including camera gear)? Is it safe to leave the camera gear at the entrance? Many website said it doesn't appear to be safe, as the cameras or bags are just left on the ground.

Oh boy...

First which pyramids? Sakkara? Giza? Neither of them have any sort of adequate lighting and flash is prohibited. You can shoot away on the exterior all you like. Valley of the Kings? You can buy a hugely overpriced camera pass and try to again take no-flash interiors....or save your money and enjoy the marvel of 5000 years of preserved history and buy a nice coffee table book from Amazon for the interiors you are wasting time shooting. This also goes for the museums in general.....extortionate camera fees and drab images.

Bottom line....enjoy the exteriors everywhere. Insanely easy photo opportunities. You may be treated like a rock star by groups of students who love your taking selfies with all 50 of them. Assuming you are hiring a private guide/driver that would be about the ONLY way to trust your equipment will be in safe hands while you bang your head and get covered in dust and explore your ability to withstand claustrophobia.

The words "Egypt" and "organized" made me laugh used in the same sentence. A pure oxymoron . And I mean this kindly.

I spent two years posted to Cairo and loved it. I was also lucky (sad for Egypt) that tourism was completely dead and I have amazingly deserted images from everywhere. Going private versus some hideous group tour will cost a fair bit more but you wont be cattle and shoveled into semi-mandatory visits to pottery factories, perfumeries, and other sales events masquerading as "tours".

If you can afford it....4 day Nile cruise is a must. Again do your homework to avoid cattle class tours and treatment as a open wallet for shopping.

Sharm El Sheik is awesome. Go there. The Hyatt is my personal recommendation. Pay the extra few bucks for access to the private house reef away from hotel gen pop.

Alexandria is cool too...but really need a guide. The Four Seasons is where to stay. This is pretty much the ONLY place in Egypt to eat seafood of any type.

Also...buy Cipro OTC or get a prescription from your doctor along with something good for the cramps. I have just saved you thousands of dollars from a ruined vacation caused by mummy tummy. More coffee table books!

Or ignore what I said and go with dubious guidance offered elsewhere by people who may or may not have spent a week getting shoveled around dawn til dusk snapping forgettable images while trying to smile for selfies squeezing legs together to prevent eruptions

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Re: Whats lenses to take to Egypt?
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D00M wrote:

Hi, this thread is a bit old (6 months old), but this thread is closest to my topic/question of interest.

We are planning trip to Egypt. We read that camera cannot be taken into pyramids and must be left at the entrance. Sure, that is no issue. I will follow the rules. But as long as my camera gear is safe at the entrance. My wife claims it is better not to bring the camera on the trip, as it is not safe. (Maybe she is tired of waiting on me to take photos. )

Can you share your experience on what happens when you have to enter the passage under the pyramid. Is there well organized staff that will watch over personal belonging (including camera gear)? Is it safe to leave the camera gear at the entrance? Many website said it doesn't appear to be safe, as the cameras or bags are just left on the ground.

Just got back from Egypt (and Turkey) a few days ago.

You can't use a traditional camera in any tombs or pyramids that I am aware of. Sometimes you can take your camera bag inside with you, and sometimes not. I was able to carry my camera bag inside Abu Simbel, for example, but I was not allow to take any pictures. In the Great Pyramid or the Red Pyramid, though, I was not allowed to bring any gear inside. I would usually just leave my camera with our guide or driver. I don't recall any places to check your gear.

My advice:

1) Take your camera on the trip. There are lots of great photo opportunities outside the tombs and pyramids.

2) Upgrade your cellphone. The modern cellphones work remarkably well inside tombs and pyramids.

Pictures from 2021 -- not many tombs pictures up yet: https://mariematthews.smugmug.com/Egypt-and-Istanbul

Pictures from March 2020 -- with more tomb/pyramid interiors -- https://mariematthews.smugmug.com/Egypt

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Re: My Egypt photos and trip report
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mfuhlendorf wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

Some of my Egypt photos in 2009:

http://www.bakubo.com/Galleries%202/Egypt/index.html

And a short trip report:

http://www.bakubo.com/egypt.html

Loved the pictures! I will see many of the places depicted in them

Did you feel safe carrying camera gear around Cairo? I have read conflicting things on this. I'm not carrying any ultra-expensive glass or cameras, but still, if robbed it would take me a few years to rebuild my gear collection...

I even considered taking a Panny 14mm pancake to use on the streets, it being so nice and cheap...

thanks for the help!

Consider insurance

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A long macro……
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A long macro with plenty of working distance from the scorpions!

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Re: Take 9mm fisheye bodycap too
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Henry Richardson wrote:

Henry Richardson wrote:

14-140mm

20mm

12-32mm

Add the Olympus 9mm f8 fisheye bodycap because it is so small and light (I have one) and will give you another interesting lens.

Speaking of the 9mm, there is a recent thread about it:

Olympus 9mm f8: misery loves company

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65637137

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So, you can take a photo with phone camera but a proper camera (no matter of its size and form) been disallowed?

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Egypt and Turkey

kaphinga wrote:

Just got back from Egypt (and Turkey) a few days ago.

Great! I was in Egypt in 2009 and Turkey in 2014. Would love to go to both again!

You can't use a traditional camera in any tombs or pyramids that I am aware of. Sometimes you can take your camera bag inside with you, and sometimes not. I was able to carry my camera bag inside Abu Simbel, for example, but I was not allow to take any pictures. In the Great Pyramid or the Red Pyramid, though, I was not allowed to bring any gear inside. I would usually just leave my camera with our guide or driver. I don't recall any places to check your gear.

That is how it was when I was there in 2009 also.

My advice:

1) Take your camera on the trip. There are lots of great photo opportunities outside the tombs and pyramids.

2) Upgrade your cellphone. The modern cellphones work remarkably well inside tombs and pyramids.

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Re: Whats lenses to take to Egypt?

alcelc wrote:

So, you can take a photo with phone camera but a proper camera (no matter of its size and form) been disallowed?

Correct.

You can take pictures anywhere with your phone, except for the mummy room in the new Foustat musesum.

Traditional cameras are only allowed outdoors for the most part.   Sometimes you can buy a permit, sometimes not

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Re: Whats lenses to take to Egypt?

alcelc wrote:

So, you can take a photo with phone camera but a proper camera (no matter of its size and form) been disallowed?

I suspect it stems from copyright rules. There used to be a belief that a phone could not take an image worthy of large scale printing, so phones were not a threat. One day they too will probably be banned.

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