5dmkii to a mirrorless Canon

I am in the same boat. I sold my 5DII a few month ago and need to decide which R to get.

The reason to sell the 5D was mainly due to limited dynamic range and weight. I am looking for a used R in good condition. Probably the best bang for the bucks at the moment. I personally dont see the RP as an upgrade apart from the weight.

I recently upgraded from a 5D2 to an EOS R.

Some usability quirks, but as expected, a very nice bump in resolution and IQ. Also (the main reason I stuck with Canon) it seems to work seamlessly with my EF lenses.

I was looking at the RP too. Most users seem very happy with the output and it appears to be a noticeable improvement over the 5D2, perhaps halfway between the 5D2 and EOS R.

The main reason I didn't go with the RP is the small battery. It is the same as the one in my 800D and it doesn't last very long in that. I'm very glad I didn't because the EOS R battery life is OK, but not 'great'.

Carrying spare batteries is one thing, having to change them when you are busy shooting something is another. I simply wanted the security of getting a shoot done without faffing with battery changes, The EOS R allows that nicely.

Patchy wrote:

I personally dont see the RP as an upgrade apart from the weight.

I agree with that statement. Though I'm not all that familiar with the RP strengths. Probably not much reason to make that upgrade. Might be better to save and go bigger later if you can.

5D II was my primary camera from November, 2008 until January this year. I bought the R5. The R5 AF features are what initially stood out the most to me. The difference is significant if you need to chase moving subjects, especially subjects with eyeballs. Speed, overall usability/screen, custom buttons programming, dynamic range and resolution are also noticeably improved. You really notice it after the first real shoot with the R5 and I assume similarly the R6.

I had no interest in R5's famed video features. But... the CLOG 4K alone is so amazing that I've added a PolarPro VND filter to my kit to stay above ISO 400 with slower shutter speeds while recording video. I'm recording quick take video quite often now and it is impressive to be able to produce such high quality content.

All my EF lenses were purchased prior to 2010. Every time I thought about upgrading lenses to MK II or MK III it seemed rumors of a move to the RF mount would only be a couple years away, so I never did replace the old glass up until I got the R5. Depending on your EF glass versions, you'll probably want to upgrade it eventually to take full advantage of the new cameras. So factor that path into your budget and decision if you have ancient glass like I did.

I quickly noticed my EF 300mm 2.8 MK-I didn't look super sharp with R5 compared to the much slower and smaller RF 100-500. Pretty much all my old glass was MK I versions with less efficient AF. AF still worked pretty well on the R5 with EF control ring adapter though. EF 70-200 mm MK I pixel peeping at 45 mp also didn't look as great but images were probably fine for many uses. I'm keeping my EF 135mm F2 though since it still looks pretty on the R5 no matter what I shoot!

Though a bit slow at F4.0, the RF 24-105mm images usually look outstanding to me. A big step up over my first EF 24-105mm kit lens with the 5D MK I in 2005. Canon has done a really good job with the RF lenses. This is another good reason to upgrade unless you already have some of the more recent MK II or MK III EF L lenses.

How does the 135 2.0 benefit from IBIS? How slow can you go with shutter speed?

I went from the 5DII straight to the EOS R, having briefly considered the RP without having actually handled it. My main consideration was image quality (the sensor for the R is based on that for the 5DIV, that for the RP is based on the 6DII's). The very nice match-triangles focus aid is missing from the RP and the R has a better viewfinder and general build. The batteries from your 5DII will fit the R if you have any spare and they're still working. Budget for a spare battery for the RP as it uses the same small battery as the top EOS M cameras.

The RP has automated focus stacking for your close-up work. You can still focus stack with the R, but a focussing slide and a bit of mathematics would help.

This chart, https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%205D%20Mark%20II,Canon%20EOS%20R,Canon%20EOS%20RP compares the dynamic ranges of the Canon models; it's easy to add your Fuji if it doesn't show it.

The RP has about 8% more linear resolution than your 5DII, the R has about 16%. It's noticeable; but not as noticeable as the improvement in the shadows (much less banding).

Handling and controls will be different from a DSLR. Canon rethought and refined mirrorless controls to take full advantage of the touch screen over several generations of the EOS M. They can take some learning (especially as your Fuji has controls even more like a film camera than those of your 5DII) but they're very good once you stop expecting a mirrorless camera to work just like a DSLR.

All my EF lenses seem to work better on the EOS R, mainly because of the improved AF and also because of the improved sensor.

MatsP wrote:

I sold my 5D2 and bought an RP and got the RF 24-105/4-7.1 stm kit lens more or less for free. I was planning to use my EF 24-105/4L with adapter but as I tried the kit zoom I found it being a very good lens with only half the weight of the L zoom, So I ended up selling the 24-105 L as well. Regarding the dynamic range, when looking at photons to photos web site, you'll find that the 5D2 and RP score equally. But in real life I have less problem with the RP than I had with the 5D2 in situations with bright light and deep shadows. I can't explain why, but that's my experience.

On the whole I'm very satisfied with the RP and this kit zoom. Regarding the lens it's very sharp except for the corners at 24 mm, which are quite soft. Between 28 and 80 it's even sharper than the EF lens, also in the edges. Of course you must realise its shortcomings regarding weather sealing and small aperture in the long end, but as I mainly shoot outdoors in daylight I mostly use f/8 anyway, and I have in fact used the camera and lens in rain and snow without any problems.

I'm very happy with the IQ of the EOS R, but reckon I would have been OK with the RP too.

Jared Polin did a simple shadow lift test with the R and RP (and 6D2 I think) where you could download the files. IMO the R was clearly the best, but the RP clearly better than the 5D2. It looked to have a nice bump in detail and certainly in DR. There was a bit of color noise, but not the same obtrusive banding and blotchyness of the fragile 5D2 files. (To be fair, the 5D2 handles highlights very well).

Patchy wrote:

How does the 135 2.0 benefit from IBIS? How slow can you go with shutter speed?

That's a good question. All I can say thus far is the 135mm worked well on R5. No issues. I was shooting under overcast daylight though. Will give slow shutter speeds a whirl next time I use it.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

Maybe I need to look at the R.

Shame there are no Canon rebates or good deals out there at the moment.

Mr Grease wrote:

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

Maybe I need to look at the R.

Shame there are no Canon rebates or good deals out there at the moment.

Wilkinson Cameras are throwing in a free Kenko AB600-R AI flashgun they say is worth £100.  Canon are giving £17 to £220 cashback on some of their lenses if you buy them at the same time.

Mr Grease wrote:

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

Maybe I need to look at the R.

Shame there are no Canon rebates or good deals out there at the moment.

I went from 5D original to EOS R a year ago and am very happy with that. Coming from the original 5D (which I loved) everything about the R is better. AF is way better, image quality better, speed much better. It's a joy to use and the price difference of it and the R6/R5 means money left over for some RF glass.   I rarely shoot video and with the 5D obviously couldn't have shot video if I wanted to. So nothing to miss there.  You will be very happy with the R.   Would I like an R5 - yes of course. Can I justify the extra $3500 CAD in cost to get there - no way.

Good luck with your decision!

Mr Grease wrote:

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

Maybe I need to look at the R.

Shame there are no Canon rebates or good deals out there at the moment.

Rebates seem somewhat hard to come by (depending on where you live).

Supply chains have been disrupted and demand for Canon gear still seems strong. In New Zealand they had rebates on some lenses - that weren't all available!

If I was looking at getting into the FF market, Sony and especially Nikon had some killer deals compared to Canon, but I have a collection of EF lenses and Canon knows they probably don't have to be as competitive for my dollar. Paying more for the camera is still the cheaper option.

In the end I simply paid what I had to for my EOS R and welcome the update. [And I still haven't been able to source a 24-105/4 for it!].

I did the 5DII to 5DIV to R.  The limiting factor will be your older EF lenses.