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"Bad" copy of PL 12mm f1.4 "fixed"... try at your own risk!

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glassoholic
glassoholic Veteran Member • Posts: 7,641
"Bad" copy of PL 12mm f1.4 "fixed"... try at your own risk!
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*** Firstly... try at your own risk! ***

I have a Panaleica 12mm f1.4 that was soft on the LHS... about poorest kit lens type soft, or worse, at f1.4. The centre and RHS is superbly sharp. Lenstip's review found the same but theirs was soft on the RHS I think.

I remembered reading an article by Roger Cicala of Lensrentals about "bad" copies. He said that sometimes factory service centres "tap" a lens back into alignment. I tapped my lens held at an angle on the edge of the lens mount a few times and rotated about 30° a time and kept repeating until a couple revolutions completed. I used a wooden board, a breadboard will do, to avoid too harsh a shock. I also tapped sharply but not destructively... maybe as hard, or slightly harder, than dropping a lens from a couple inches onto the wood, but its difficult to quantify/ describe.

Lens mounted and tested... no change.

A few weeks later, I thought about it again and this time tapped around the front/ filter mount.

Lens mounted and... amazingly, all is good!!!

I was at the point of wanting to flick the lens along to someone else, and now am perfectly happy. It is indeed a lovely lens when working properly.

Interestingly, my "fix" has had the same type of success my national Olympus service centre had adjusting my Oly 25 1.2 Pro... a superbly sharp RHS very slightly degraded after adjustment, but a LHS vastly improved... so both sides good to very good in sharpness afterwards... up from distinctly soft on the LHS.

In another win, I bought a second copy of the Panasonic 14-140 f3.5-5.6... the first time I have ever done this. The second copy is spot on... no weird softness (patchy smearing) at some focal lengths towards the edges. It is now a surprisingly good superzoom... noticably better than the Oly 14-150 I once tried.

I thought you all would be interested to hear my experience. But do not blame me if you try it and break or damage a lens!

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Interceptor121 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,691
Re: "Bad" copy of PL 12mm f1.4 "fixed"... try at your own risk!

Did you ever checked if the lens was decentered in the first place using a siemens star or other technique?

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What does “RHS” mean? Never heard that one before.

I’ve always been in support of fully spelling out an acronym term (with acronym in parentheses) then resorting to the acronym going forward.

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Right Hand Side

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jeffharris wrote:

What does “RHS” mean? Never heard that one before.

I’ve always been in support of fully spelling out an acronym term (with acronym in parentheses) then resorting to the acronym going forward.

This was the first result when I Googled it... so it can't be that obscure in my humble opinion (IMHO).

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Interceptor121 wrote:

Did you ever checked if the lens was decentered in the first place using a siemens star or other technique?

No... just practical usage. There are various causes, not just decentreing, for bad performance. I never proved it was decentred... it could have been tilted, off axis, spaced incorrectly. I just applied a technique I had read about that could produce a fix, and luckily it did.

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Interceptor121 Veteran Member • Posts: 8,691
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Ok but if you tap it you are bringing the elements back in line. At the end a tilted elements leads to decentering

I have the same lens from my test is it 1% off center. For me this is not worth doing anything and I do not notice any adverse performance the lens is indeed tack sharp though in the corners it looses a bit because it is distorted

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glassoholic wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

What does “RHS” mean? Never heard that one before.

I’ve always been in support of fully spelling out an acronym term (with acronym in parentheses) then resorting to the acronym going forward.

This was the first result when I Googled it... so it can't be that obscure in my humble opinion (IMHO).

OK. Thanks for the explanation.

Cool trick fixing that lens!, BTW. 😉

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glassoholic wrote:

A few weeks later, I thought about it again and this time tapped around the front/ filter mount.

Lens mounted and... amazingly, all is good!!!

Wow! This is quite amazing.

I had this lens, in fact I tried three copies of this lens and was dissatisfied with all of them due to softness along one side. It was really disappointing because I have two PL15 lenses and they are perfect, so I held high hopes for the PL12.

I don't think I ever would have been game enough to do what you did! But I am glad it worked for you.

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Pete_W wrote:

glassoholic wrote:

A few weeks later, I thought about it again and this time tapped around the front/ filter mount.

Lens mounted and... amazingly, all is good!!!

Wow! This is quite amazing.

I had this lens, in fact I tried three copies of this lens and was dissatisfied with all of them due to softness along one side. It was really disappointing because I have two PL15 lenses and they are perfect, so I held high hopes for the PL12.

I don't think I ever would have been game enough to do what you did! But I am glad it worked for you.

Thanks. Sometimes I look at something and just go ahead... damn the torpedoes... another day and I would not have dared to do it. If I hadn't got the idea by reading about it, I wouldn't have thought of it. I figured that a pro grade lens, especially one without any stabilisation mechanism, and a prime (no complex groups of elements in a zoom moving around), should be able to withstand the forces I put it through... it would either "fix" something or do nothing further wrong... plus hope for some luck too that it did not exasperate the issue. Modern lenses have many glass elements and several sub assemblies, or tubes, holding groups of elements stacked, all retained by screwed in rings. I presume that there could be tiny amounts of free play or "give" in the assembly, and that when it all goes together, somewhere there might be a tiny misalignment or a speck of foreign substance that prevents everything from bedding or seating in the way it was designed, and doing what I did, encourages something to move into where it was intended to be.

Credit to lensrentals.com for the below screenshot:

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Gnine Senior Member • Posts: 4,108
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jeffharris wrote:

glassoholic wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

What does “RHS” mean? Never heard that one before.

I’ve always been in support of fully spelling out an acronym term (with acronym in parentheses) then resorting to the acronym going forward.

This was the first result when I Googled it... so it can't be that obscure in my humble opinion (IMHO).

OK. Thanks for the explanation.

Cool trick fixing that lens!, BTW. 😉

Rectangular Hollow Section in my world. Generally grade 350, or 350 megapascals yield strength 😁

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Gnine wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

glassoholic wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

What does “RHS” mean? Never heard that one before.

I’ve always been in support of fully spelling out an acronym term (with acronym in parentheses) then resorting to the acronym going forward.

This was the first result when I Googled it... so it can't be that obscure in my humble opinion (IMHO).

OK. Thanks for the explanation.

Cool trick fixing that lens!, BTW. 😉

Rectangular Hollow Section in my world. Generally grade 350, or 350 megapascals yield strength 😁

And the moment of inertia ...

jeffharris
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Re: "Bad" copy of PL 12mm f1.4 "fixed"... try at your own risk!

Gnine wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

glassoholic wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

What does “RHS” mean? Never heard that one before.

I’ve always been in support of fully spelling out an acronym term (with acronym in parentheses) then resorting to the acronym going forward.

This was the first result when I Googled it... so it can't be that obscure in my humble opinion (IMHO).

OK. Thanks for the explanation.

Cool trick fixing that lens!, BTW. 😉

Rectangular Hollow Section in my world. Generally grade 350, or 350 megapascals yield strength 😁

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Dunsun Contributing Member • Posts: 656
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Hey guys,

I have owned something like 50 m43 lenses. From my very own experience there is a HUGE sample variation between them. Even Olympus PRO lenses suffer from it.

For example I have had 3 Oympus 25mm 1.2 PRO lenses and just the last one that I still own can be described as an excellent piece. The other 2 were noticably softer than my PanaLeica 25mm 1.4.

So yes be aware of such a phenomen.

Cheers

glassoholic
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Dunsun wrote:

Hey guys,

I have owned something like 50 m43 lenses. From my very own experience there is a HUGE sample variation between them. Even Olympus PRO lenses suffer from it.

For example I have had 3 Oympus 25mm 1.2 PRO lenses and just the last one that I still own can be described as an excellent piece. The other 2 were noticably softer than my PanaLeica 25mm 1.4.

So yes be aware of such a phenomen.

Cheers

Yes. For me, as long as there is not a one or other side soft issue, I can live with a copy that is a bit softer than hoped for. I too had a 25 Pro problem... left side soft, and Olympus under warranty did something to it and it came back very good. Lensrentals have some good articles and even the pro type lenses from other manufacturers have a range of sharpness in samples, but there seems to be a suggestion that m43 is generally worse in this regard.

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