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Canon body and lens for birding

Started Mar 11, 2021 | Questions
Paul-D700 Junior Member • Posts: 40
Canon body and lens for birding
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I am a long-time Nikon user who is looking for some advice to give to a friend who is a Canon user. He devotes about 70% of his photography to wildlife (with an emphasis on birds), and the rest to scenics.

He currently has an EOS Rebel T3i, and has been using a Canon 75-300mm lens. He recently borrowed a Canon 100-400mm, and was very pleased with the results. The image quality and keeper rate were much higher than with his 75-300mm (not surprising). He is now contemplating purchasing his own copy of this lens. As an avid bird photographer myself, I gave him some thoughts:

  1. He will often find that 400mm is just too short for some wildlife, especially birds (I know I did, and upgraded to a 600mm lens for my Nikon bodies).
  2. His camera body is now over 10 years old, and technology has vastly improved. In terms of autofocus system, dynamic range, high ISO capability, frame rate, etc, his body may not fully exploit the capabilities of the really excellent Canon 100-400mm.

So here is my question: in terms of image quality/keepers, is he better off buying the Canon 100-400mm and using it on his EOS Rebel, or buying a new body and a less expensive third-party lens, such as a Sigma or Tamron 150-600mm lens? He is willing to spend about $2,500, so that will cover the Canon lens, but not a new body.

If the answer to the question is to get a new body, what Canon bodies can the Canon users recommend, given my friend's photographic interests?

P.S. If this is not the correct Canon forum for the question, please let me know and I will repost it -- thanks.

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Canon EOS 600D (EOS Rebel T3i / EOS Kiss X5)
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Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,857
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Paul, I have been using the Tamron 150-600mm lens with the Canon T3i (600D) and the Canon T7i (800D) cameras for many years.  If $2500 is his budget I would suggest the Canon 90D and either the Tamron 150-600mm or Sigma 150-600mm lenses.  I haven't read the reviews lately about those lenses or know what's best between them.

This is what I get with the Canon T7i (800D) and the Tamron 150-600mm G1 lens.  I have hundreds of these wood duck pictures.  I just picked one at random quickly.  I can use up to ISO5000 easily.  This was taken under cloudy skies in the shadows of some trees.

Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,857
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Here's one with the Canon T3i (600D) camera and Tamron 150-600mm lens. I would keep the shutter speed less under cloudy skies, so the ISO levels were lower. It worked out great that way, as long as a person can keep the combination steady while using it without a tripod. The Tamron 150-600mm lens is so big, that it takes a while to get used to it. Cradling it works best for me (when carrying).

OP Paul-D700 Junior Member • Posts: 40
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Hello Digirame,

Very nice images.  Thanks for the input -- it was exactly the type of information I was seeking.

JPAlbert Senior Member • Posts: 1,296
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EOS R6 for the camera.
Version ii of the EF 100-400 for the lens.

Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,857
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What's the costs for that?  I believe the budget was $2500.

I have been looking at the EOS R camera, which is less cost than the R6.  The Canon 100-400mm ii lens is used by some photographers with a converter.  But the costs are very high compared to some third party lenses that reach out to 600mm focal length.

OP Paul-D700 Junior Member • Posts: 40
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Thanks for the inputs.  I'm sure that the EOS R and EOS R6 would be good choices, but with the lens, even the EOS R is about $1,700 more than my friend's budget.  Hence a less expensive DSLR would be a better choice if he buys the lens.

Digirame Forum Pro • Posts: 41,857
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Both the Canon 90D and the Canon T7i (800D) cameras have a crop factor of 1.6 which helps with wildlife photography. Rocket13 (you can find him on the Show Your Snaps thread) has used both the Tamron 150-600mm and the Canon 100-400mm ii lenses. You could ask him about the differences. I believe the Canon 100-400mm ii lens will show better image quality. But with the Tamron 150-600mm lens I find if I'm careful with the depth of field and control the camera/lens shake that the photos look excellent. He likes that the Canon 100-400mm ii lens is lighter and easier to use. You can read more about the lens comparison here.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4088485

I was thinking about getting the 32.5mp Canon 90D (and I still may in the future), but the 24mp Canon T7i (800D) camera was more than half the cost. I got it on Ebay for $505 (USD), including shipping.  But that was last year.  The prices have gone up since then to about a hundred dollars more.

OP Paul-D700 Junior Member • Posts: 40
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Thanks for your continuing interest and assistance, Digirame.

Ontarian Veteran Member • Posts: 3,860
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From the photos that I have seen posted, the 90D seems to be an excellent body.  Pair that with a used 100-400 version one and you'd have a decent setup for birds, especially with a 1.4 extender.  This should fit in around that budget.

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Sactojim Veteran Member • Posts: 9,105
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The T7i and T8i are very good choices but don't forget the svelte size SL3 which is a excellent camera and does have the dual pixel focus. I'm taking a long look at it pared with a 55-250 STM lens. I can add the Tamrom 18-400 if I need more reach. While the 150-600 will really get one out there in reach, the lens is too big for my hiking/backpacking/travel needs.

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