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bizi clop wrote:

Do you use DeepPrime with the default setting 40? Would DenoiseAI be still necessary if you used DeepPrime at its maximum 100 setting?

You can download a free trial version of PhotoLab 4 - which includes all the features, even those like DeepPRIME that are exclusive to the Elite version - and test for yourself.

I used to dial down PRIME from 40 to 30 because, as a former film shooter, I don't mind a little noise and I find a perfectly smooth image "plasticky". I've been happy with DeepPRIME at 40, but I haven't really tested different settings on a variety of images.

SteveY80 wrote:

I'm quite impressed with Deep Prime. On my PC it's significantly faster than Topaz DeNoise AI and definitely seems to do a better job with the high ISO images I've tested.

Topaz can create really clean files, and integrates nicely with my Lightroom workflow, but it can create odd artefacts that are noticeable when pixel peeping. I always have to tweak the DeNoise AI settings to get results I can live with, while DxO does the job well with one click.

If I hadn't already paid for Topaz then I probably wouldn't bother after trying DxO 4.

That said, running Topaz DeNoise at a very low setting after first processing the image in Deep Prime does a good job of smoothing out grainy backgrounds.

Here's an example:

Deep Prime only:

Deep Prime + DeNoise AI at the lowest setting:

Interesting that the tone/contrast seems a bit different even though it's just been run through Topaz DeNoise. I assume it must do more than just reduce noise and sharpen?

Jefftan wrote:

no, not mac just windows 10 laptop with intel i7 10th generation cpu and mid range GPU?

You still haven't answered my questions. I can't help you without more info.

Jefftan wrote:

Jacques Cornell wrote:

Jefftan wrote:

no, not mac just windows 10 laptop with intel i7 10th generation cpu and mid range GPU?

You still haven't answered my questions. I can't help you without more info.

i just want to know if a typical windows 10 intel i7 laptop user will see a big improvement in DeepPrime processing time after switching to an M1 mac mini, thanks

You still haven't answered my questions. Come back after you've read my post again and are ready to provide the requested information.

bizi clop wrote:

Do you use DeepPrime with the default setting 40? Would DenoiseAI be still necessary if you used DeepPrime at its maximum 100 setting?

I wouldn't say that using DeNoise AI is actually necessary even at lower settings. Sure, there's still grain in the background with a 6400 ISO shot, but in my opinion it's not really an issue at normal print/viewing sizes.

Anyway, here's the same shot with Deep Prime at 75:

and 100:

It's definitely clean with the maximum Deep Prime noise reduction applied, but to my pixel peeping eye it's starting to lose detail and get an unnaturally smoothed look in places.

allematic wrote:

bizi clop wrote:

Do you use DeepPrime with the default setting 40? Would DenoiseAI be still necessary if you used DeepPrime at its maximum 100 setting?

Deepprime makes topaz denoise completely redundant. In some cases though, I've got even better results by setting luminance to 0 in deepprime and then applying topaz SHARPEN. It does a good job removing the fine grain left and enhancing the details.

I gave that a try, but it didn't work at all for me, at least with the test image I've been using.

Here it is processed with Deep Prime at 0 and maximum noise suppression in Topaz Sharpen AI:

There's still a lot of grain left that'd be instantly wiped away by DeNoise AI.

I really need to take some more high ISO shots for testing this, rather than just posting the same bird over and over again.

I guess I'm mainly a good light shooter with my M43 kit. I had to dig back over a year to find one shot that taken at ISO 6400. A lot of my noisiest shots either used my old Fuji kit or a smartphone, and neither open in DxO.