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Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

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neokind Forum Member • Posts: 60
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Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right?  Are there other changes?  They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

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neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

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neokind Forum Member • Posts: 60
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Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77.  Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me.  My questions were genuine.  Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape?  If not, they’re still great lenses.  But more rereleases than ‘new.’

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Benoz
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Re: Rocoh 3 new limited lenses...

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ? 

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

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DougOB
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Re: Rocoh 3 new limited lenses...

Benoz wrote:

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ?

Technically two coatings HD + SP   In any case a minor update is still an update.

The product pages on the Ricoh Japan web site mentions rounded aperture blades for the 31 and 43 but for the 77 it only refers to 9 blades?  Is this an omission on the web site or did they not do this for the 77?  The 77 already had excellent bokeh so it is possible that they felt there would be no advantage.  Just curious, not trying to generate rumours!

Cheers,

Doug

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

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neokind Forum Member • Posts: 60
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Benoz wrote:

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ?

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

Not in my book.  If I repaint my house or replace the oven, it doesn’t make the house ‘new.’  ‘Updated,’ perhaps.  ‘Remodeled’ would be a massive stretch.  ‘New’ is just plain false.

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blåland Contributing Member • Posts: 509
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I wonder if they use the same glass types. If they have change even one of them the lens has to be recalculated. And there will be new vs old arguments.

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Regardless of the new coatings, it gladdens my heart to see that these beauties are still in production

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The magic of our beloved name PENTAX.

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MightyMike Forum Pro • Posts: 40,984
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neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ?

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

Not in my book. If I repaint my house or replace the oven, it doesn’t make the house ‘new.’ ‘Updated,’ perhaps. ‘Remodeled’ would be a massive stretch. ‘New’ is just plain false.

If your house design is like every other house design in your neighbourhood (cookie cutter houses) and the builder makes changes to the design and proceeds to make more houses, they'd still be new houses now wouldn't they?

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MightyMike wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ?

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

Not in my book. If I repaint my house or replace the oven, it doesn’t make the house ‘new.’ ‘Updated,’ perhaps. ‘Remodeled’ would be a massive stretch. ‘New’ is just plain false.

If your house design is like every other house design in your neighbourhood (cookie cutter houses) and the builder makes changes to the design and proceeds to make more houses, they'd still be new houses now wouldn't they?

Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes all the same
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same

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If your house design is like every other house design in your neighbourhood (cookie cutter houses) and the builder makes changes to the design and proceeds to make more houses, they'd still be new houses now wouldn't they?

Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky
Little boxes on the hillside
Little boxes all the same
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same

LOL.  And now those little ticky-tackys sell for $ a million plus south of SF.  I bet Malvina Reynolds (writer) and Pete Seeger never would have imagined that in 1963.

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MightyMike wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ?

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

Not in my book. If I repaint my house or replace the oven, it doesn’t make the house ‘new.’ ‘Updated,’ perhaps. ‘Remodeled’ would be a massive stretch. ‘New’ is just plain false.

If your house design is like every other house design in your neighbourhood (cookie cutter houses) and the builder makes changes to the design and proceeds to make more houses, they'd still be new houses now wouldn't they?

I’m not following. The analogy is breaking down for me.  If you’re suggesting that the changes I mentioned (new paint and/or an appliance or two) would recategorize a home as ‘new’ I think you’re wrong.

But you mentioned hiring a builder and redesigning.  Where does that fit in?

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MightyMike wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ?

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

Not in my book. If I repaint my house or replace the oven, it doesn’t make the house ‘new.’ ‘Updated,’ perhaps. ‘Remodeled’ would be a massive stretch. ‘New’ is just plain false.

If your house design is like every other house design in your neighbourhood (cookie cutter houses) and the builder makes changes to the design and proceeds to make more houses, they'd still be new houses now wouldn't they?

These debates get tedious, but I have to 'speak' up and say you're not applying the analogy correctly.

It doesn't matter about the count of houses in the neighborhood, that is similar to the supply of a particular lens offered.

What matters is the unique designs of the houses in the neighborhood, that is similar to the unique optical designs offered.

What Ricoh is doing here is similar to what they did in 2013 with some of the DA lenses. They launched 'new' lenses consisting of the old formulas in the old shells with HD coatings and a thin, red painted ring on the outside edge.

That's not a new lens. Sure, the SKU is different. But to the photographer, it's essentially the same product. Same optical formula. They didn't even offer weather sealing or a focus motor to the update. Which is what it is. An update.

That said, at least they are doing something to try to refresh the lineup, even if it isn't a whole lot.

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And where are those lenses being made?

They look impressive. Made in Vietnam...beware....Made in Japan....Buy

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DHAPhotography wrote:

They look impressive. Made in Vietnam...beware....Made in Japan....Buy

Why? Is there an observable difference in QC between facilities? My assumption would be that the lenses from the Vietnamese production facility would be on par with what has been produced in Japan, unless there is evidence to the contrary.

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neokind wrote:

DHAPhotography wrote:

They look impressive. Made in Vietnam...beware....Made in Japan....Buy

Why? Is there an observable difference in QC between facilities? My assumption would be that the lenses from the Vietnamese production facility would be on par with what has been produced in Japan, unless there is evidence to the contrary.

IIRC there were some QC problems when the manufacturing/assembly of Pentax lenses first moved to Vietnam. This corresponded somewhat with the initial SDM lenses which were not trivial.  I am not sure if it is still an issue.

Other companies (Nikon I believe) have recently shifted manufacturing/assembly out of Japan.

Doug

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neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

neokind wrote:

Ergo607 wrote:

neokind wrote:

Benoz wrote:

Ricoh is offering a pre-order of three new lenses.

Nice!

HD PENTAX-FA 31mmF1.8 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 43mmF1.9 Limited

HD PENTAX-FA 77mmF1.8 Limited

“New”

The difference from the legacy lenses is in the coating and aperture blade shape, right? Are there other changes? They haven’t been redesigned and optimized for digital sensors?

Please, let it go, this is getting tiring. There is no need to redesign the optical formula. The philosophy behind the Limiteds is to allow for some optical imperfections as to have a less plastic, more vibrant pop. While there may be sharper lenses out there, none have the character of the Limiteds...

Yes, I understand the design philosophy and owned good copies of the 31 and 77. Nice lenses, that captured some memorable images for me. My questions were genuine. Was anything else changed besides the coating and the aperture blade shape? If not, they’re still great lenses. But more rereleases than ‘new.’

Aren't the coating and the aperture blade shape enough changes for the lenses to be called "new" ?

I don't own any but I might be tempted by the 77 f1.8.

I was hoping for a new 16-80 PLM or 18-135 PLM more than a prime limited.

Ben.

Not in my book. If I repaint my house or replace the oven, it doesn’t make the house ‘new.’ ‘Updated,’ perhaps. ‘Remodeled’ would be a massive stretch. ‘New’ is just plain false.

What? No, you still have an old house with new stuff, it didn't just come off the assembly line with new paint color or type and a new type of oven, if it did THEN I WOULD consider it the new model. Besides, yours isn't even an apples to apples comparison.

If I go buy a new car, and the it has new double glazed ultra quiet thermal window coatings and a redesigned transmission for smoother shifting, (my chosen equivalent of HD, SP and new AP Blades) then I still got the new model year of a new car as far as I'm concerned.

Especially more so if we are talking about mature products that have been around for a long time... then improvements by nature become incremental. Why screw up something that already works well? Look at the Volkswagen Beetle, the Mini or the MG for instance... heh.

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neokind Forum Member • Posts: 60
Re: And where are those lenses being made?

DougOB wrote:

neokind wrote:

DHAPhotography wrote:

They look impressive. Made in Vietnam...beware....Made in Japan....Buy

Why? Is there an observable difference in QC between facilities? My assumption would be that the lenses from the Vietnamese production facility would be on par with what has been produced in Japan, unless there is evidence to the contrary.

IIRC there were some QC problems when the manufacturing/assembly of Pentax lenses first moved to Vietnam. This corresponded somewhat with the initial SDM lenses which were not trivial. I am not sure if it is still an issue.

Other companies (Nikon I believe) have recently shifted manufacturing/assembly out of Japan.

Doug

Gotcha. I wonder if the QC problems were design, component, or assembly related?  I only owned one SDM lens, thankfully without issue, but I do recall there being a slew of complaints about failure within a year or two of purchase. Were these problems associated with early batches of the tech implementation by Pentax, or was it ongoing?  I’m largely ignorant to the details, so I’m curious.

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