Sigma fp L camera reveal next week

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DMillier Forum Pro • Posts: 23,101
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SigmaChrome wrote:

sev7en wrote:

Hello,

just my curiosity... why the fp isn't used by photographers?

That's a pretty large assumption and probably won't go down well with the photographers who do use the fp, like Lea Tippet and Marco Dadone.

Many online are with the sd but not the fp!

It really depends on how hard you look. You may find that there are more than you think as Sigma camera users probably shoot with SD, sd, DP and dp cameras as well.

I am wondering if that camera is just a step back of Sigma... or not a good deal.

I don't know about Marco, but Lea is a Sigma ambassador, so you would expect him to use and champion Sigma's latest products.

For me, the problem with the fp, is it is not designed primarily as a stills camera. And if you're not  videographer, why would you pay the premium price and put up with the inconveniences of a camera aimed more at video?  Within L mount, the S5 seems a better fit for the stills photographer (as well as being a neat video camera to boot).

I still see the fp as a pricey, interesting, video camera that can also shoot stills. A bit of a niche product, but hopefully one that has long, specialised, production.

Perhaps Don can explain why he opted for the fp for stills?

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DMillier Forum Pro • Posts: 23,101
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furtle wrote:

D Cox wrote:

Jeffry7 wrote:

There are 24 primes listed on dpreview for the lmount.

https://www.dpreview.com/products/search/lenses#criterias=SpecsCoreParams%2CSpecsLensMount&paramSpecsCoreParamsLensType=PrimeWideangle%2CPrimeNormal%2CPrimeTelephoto&paramSpecsCoreParamsSubcriteria=LensMount%2CLensType%2CAdditionalFeatures&paramSpecsCoreParamsSearchType=Simple&paramSpecsLensMount=LeicaSL

There are Leica, Panasonic, Sigma, and Laowa lenses.

The folks over on the lmount forum have been using the lmount adapter with success. It does not support the continuous auto focus mode, but otherwise seems to work fine for some, but not all lenses.

I bought the fp for use with manual-focus lenses, which work better than they did on my film SLRs. I already had enough lenses, but you can still stock up on SMC-Takumars, Nikon AIs, etc etc from eBay at reasonable (but steadily rising) prices.

I bought Sigma's new 24mm L mount lens last week and it seems to be good except for some vignetting wide open. It focusses quickly, and it's the same size as the manual focus equivalents.

Don Cox

Being a fan of wide angle lenses, that Sigma 24mm DG DN L mount is very nice. I’ve not really looked for vignetting but it’s easily dealt with. It’s way better than old adapted M mount lenses on the fp which are soft at the edges. Same on the Sony A7. Sigma are on a roll right now with these ‘little’ L mount lenses. I’m sure you’ll really enjoy the 24mm

I add fairly heavy vignetting to most of my shots in post. It's not a flaw to me!

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DMillier wrote:

SigmaChrome wrote:

sev7en wrote:

Hello,

just my curiosity... why the fp isn't used by photographers?

That's a pretty large assumption and probably won't go down well with the photographers who do use the fp, like Lea Tippet and Marco Dadone.

Many online are with the sd but not the fp!

It really depends on how hard you look. You may find that there are more than you think as Sigma camera users probably shoot with SD, sd, DP and dp cameras as well.

I am wondering if that camera is just a step back of Sigma... or not a good deal.

I don't know about Marco, but Lea is a Sigma ambassador, so you would expect him to use and champion Sigma's latest products.

For me, the problem with the fp, is it is not designed primarily as a stills camera. And if you're not videographer, why would you pay the premium price and put up with the inconveniences of a camera aimed more at video? Within L mount, the S5 seems a better fit for the stills photographer (as well as being a neat video camera to boot).

I still see the fp as a pricey, interesting, video camera that can also shoot stills. A bit of a niche product, but hopefully one that has long, specialised, production.

Perhaps Don can explain why he opted for the fp for stills?

I wanted a 24x36mm camera for use with my manual-focus lenses.

The sensible thing would have been to buy a used Sony A7R2 or 3. But the fp seemed much more interesting. No regrets.

Don

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OP SigmaChrome Forum Pro • Posts: 14,212
Re: What the "L" is for ...
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DMillier wrote:

SigmaChrome wrote:

sev7en wrote:

Hello,

just my curiosity... why the fp isn't used by photographers?

That's a pretty large assumption and probably won't go down well with the photographers who do use the fp, like Lea Tippet and Marco Dadone.

Many online are with the sd but not the fp!

It really depends on how hard you look. You may find that there are more than you think as Sigma camera users probably shoot with SD, sd, DP and dp cameras as well.

I am wondering if that camera is just a step back of Sigma... or not a good deal.

I don't know about Marco, but Lea is a Sigma ambassador, so you would expect him to use and champion Sigma's latest products.

Marco is a Sigma ambassador too. Regardless, they both produce excellent results with their little fps.

I decided not to go down the full frame path with Sigma and use Fujifilm and Sony APS-C gear to give me the versatility I need to shoot in most conditions, plus video, if I really need it -- which is pretty rare.

For me, the problem with the fp, is it is not designed primarily as a stills camera. And if you're not videographer, why would you pay the premium price and put up with the inconveniences of a camera aimed more at video? Within L mount, the S5 seems a better fit for the stills photographer (as well as being a neat video camera to boot).

I swore off Panasonic gear years ago when I bought their FZ7 and watched it produce the worst foliage rendering I have ever seen: green mush! I simply couldn't forgive them for that.

I still see the fp as a pricey, interesting, video camera that can also shoot stills. A bit of a niche product, but hopefully one that has long, specialised, production.

Perhaps Don can explain why he opted for the fp for stills?

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Re: Sigma fp L camera reveal next week

D Cox wrote:

Ceistinne wrote:

Scottelly wrote:

bizi clop wrote:

D Cox wrote:

L-rumors has pictures. The camera appears unchanged, so perhaps L does stand for 50.

The EVF looks very expensive.

https://www.l-rumors.com/

Don Cox

I wonder if Sigma deliberately "leaks" these images?

These images do look pretty authentic, don't they? I guess we only have to wait two more days to find out.

Scott & all,

If the rumour of an announcement and pictures are real the camera will be in the hands of some people already. I have seen no Sigma online Stage posted anywhere which is how they have made announcements of everything in the last year. So we'll wait and see.

S

Those images are CGI, but that's normal for new products from any company. It's hard to see why anyone would take the trouble to create fake CGI images of imaginary Sigma products, but there are some weirdos around and many people are bored in lockdown.

If there was to be an announcement on Sigma Stage tomorrow it would have been trailed by now.

So I am more and more inclined to think the whole thing is a mean joke.

Don

Agreed. I don't think Sigma would announce new products less than a month after announcing other new products either.

https://www.sigmaphoto.com/article/new-product-release-of-sigma-interchangeable-lens-sigma-28-70mm-dg-dn-contemporary

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Johan Borg Veteran Member • Posts: 3,284
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D Cox wrote:

Ceistinne wrote:

Scottelly wrote:

bizi clop wrote:

D Cox wrote:

L-rumors has pictures. The camera appears unchanged, so perhaps L does stand for 50.

The EVF looks very expensive.

https://www.l-rumors.com/

Don Cox

I wonder if Sigma deliberately "leaks" these images?

These images do look pretty authentic, don't they? I guess we only have to wait two more days to find out.

Scott & all,

If the rumour of an announcement and pictures are real the camera will be in the hands of some people already. I have seen no Sigma online Stage posted anywhere which is how they have made announcements of everything in the last year. So we'll wait and see.

S

Those images are CGI, but that's normal for new products from any company. It's hard to see why anyone would take the trouble to create fake CGI images of imaginary Sigma products, but there are some weirdos around and many people are bored in lockdown.

If there was to be an announcement on Sigma Stage tomorrow it would have been trailed by now.

So I am more and more inclined to think the whole thing is a mean joke.

The details could theoretically be an elaborate joke, but we know that Sigma has imminent plans for an "fp L" and an associated EVF-11, since both have been announced by Sigma to South Korean authorities and therefore made public.

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AndreasAM New Member • Posts: 2
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It looks like there is an additional adapter-section for the HDMI and USB-C port fitted on the EVF. The materials are not the same as on the EVF.

Likely to make it backwards compatible with the current fp. If you look at the frontimage there is no way the EVF with this section can fit that snug with the new fp L. The section with the ports protrudes to much to the rest of the EVF, which has the actual curved ends to fit the fp-L, as can be seen in de frontimage.

Probably Sigma could have altered the innerts of the fp-L on this side?

There is also something strange with the, what looks like a, sliding latch for the HDMI-port on the EVF. It can't slide, because there is no room for it above, because of the USB-port door. So is it just a rubber cover?

Beware!! Only guessing....

We will have the answer Tuesday, no doubt...

Ceistinne Senior Member • Posts: 2,841
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For anyone wanting to use the EF-630 (or any) flashgun with that EVF-11 attached it would not be possible to connect the HU-11 flash module to the fp.

S

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c2prods Forum Member • Posts: 50
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Pretty sure it will be delayed. If the announcement were today, we would already have a leaked press release and an event scheduled on Sigma's YouTube page.

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Johan Borg Veteran Member • Posts: 3,284
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AndreasAM wrote:

It looks like there is an additional adapter-section for the HDMI and USB-C port fitted on the EVF. The materials are not the same as on the EVF.

Likely to make it backwards compatible with the current fp. If you look at the frontimage there is no way the EVF with this section can fit that snug with the new fp L. The section with the ports protrudes to much to the rest of the EVF, which has the actual curved ends to fit the fp-L, as can be seen in de frontimage.

Probably Sigma could have altered the innerts of the fp-L on this side?

I don't think so, but the entire section with the ports can apparently slide a bit, along with the button behind the USB-C connector. Presumably to simplify the process of fixing it with the screw.

There is also something strange with the, what looks like a, sliding latch for the HDMI-port on the EVF. It can't slide, because there is no room for it above, because of the USB-port door. So is it just a rubber cover?

The "HDMI Cover" area is in order to place the rubber HDMI cover that you need to remove from the fp in order to fix the EVF. It's the same with the current hotshoe add-on.

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Latest from Nokashita:

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シグマ「fp L」が2499ドル、「fp L EVFキット」が2999ドル、「EVF-11」が699ドルで海外の販売店に追加されました。#噂
Translated from Japanese by
The Sigma "fp L" has been added to overseas retailers for $ 2,499, the "fp L EVF Kit" for $ 2,999, and the "EVF-11" for $ 6,99.#噂

At $2499 it may be either an attempt to get big market share quickly or may simply mean that the changes are not as significant as hoped.  I'm less excited.

Mike

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D Cox Forum Pro • Posts: 30,281
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docmaas wrote:

Latest from Nokashita:

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シグマ「fp L」が2499ドル、「fp L EVFキット」が2999ドル、「EVF-11」が699ドルで海外の販売店に追加されました。#噂
Translated from Japanese by
The Sigma "fp L" has been added to overseas retailers for $ 2,499, the "fp L EVF Kit" for $ 2,999, and the "EVF-11" for $ 6,99.#噂

At $2499 it may be either an attempt to get big market share quickly or may simply mean that the changes are not as significant as hoped. I'm less excited.

Mike

I'm not sure what you hoped for. All that the rumours seemed to say was that there would be a new and better sensor, which should solve the flash sync limitation.

That's quite a big jump up in price, if the rumour is true -- we are now talking about twice what I paid for the sdQH. Inflation has been very low in recent years.

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amweber21 Regular Member • Posts: 190
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docmaas wrote:

Latest from Nokashita:

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シグマ「fp L」が2499ドル、「fp L EVFキット」が2999ドル、「EVF-11」が699ドルで海外の販売店に追加されました。#噂
Translated from Japanese by
The Sigma "fp L" has been added to overseas retailers for $ 2,499, the "fp L EVF Kit" for $ 2,999, and the "EVF-11" for $ 6,99.#噂

At $2499 it may be either an attempt to get big market share quickly or may simply mean that the changes are not as significant as hoped. I'm less excited.

Mike

The price is right about where I was hoping. Any lower and I'd be worried about compromises. Sigma has more reasonable prices than the other brands, and without any changes to the body (that I can tell) the money looks to be spent internally. An additional $600 from the original fp is probably spent on mostly the sensor and new processing components. The EVF is quite a bit of money, but maybe contains some interesting processing power inside it to alleviate the camera doing the work. Time will tell.

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adegroot Veteran Member • Posts: 3,078
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docmaas wrote:

...... I'm less excited.

Mike

As for me: I am very excited by what I have learned abotu the fp-L so far.

No disrespect intended, but I can't share your personal sentiment.

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adegroot Veteran Member • Posts: 3,078
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amweber21 wrote:

docmaas wrote:

Latest from Nokashita:

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シグマ「fp L」が2499ドル、「fp L EVFキット」が2999ドル、「EVF-11」が699ドルで海外の販売店に追加されました。#噂
Translated from Japanese by
The Sigma "fp L" has been added to overseas retailers for $ 2,499, the "fp L EVF Kit" for $ 2,999, and the "EVF-11" for $ 6,99.#噂

At $2499 it may be either an attempt to get big market share quickly or may simply mean that the changes are not as significant as hoped. I'm less excited.

Mike

The price is right about where I was hoping. Any lower and I'd be worried about compromises. Sigma has more reasonable prices than the other brands, and without any changes to the body (that I can tell) the money looks to be spent internally. An additional $600 from the original fp is probably spent on mostly the sensor and new processing components. The EVF is quite a bit of money, but maybe contains some interesting processing power inside it to alleviate the camera doing the work. Time will tell.

I suspect the EVF will have its own battery.

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amweber21 Regular Member • Posts: 190
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adegroot wrote:

I suspect the EVF will have its own battery.

It very well could, but I think the pins point to pulling power off the body. I'm still not sure if it's using the HDMI feed or the USB, but I assume it will need to downconvert the 4K image to the resolution needed for the EVF so that it can pass the 4K back out. I don't understand how we will get a 60 or 120hz image in that case, but it would make since if it did a bit of processing on it's own.

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docmaas wrote:

Latest from Nokashita:

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シグマ「fp L」が2499ドル、「fp L EVFキット」が2999ドル、「EVF-11」が699ドルで海外の販売店に追加されました。#噂
Translated from Japanese by
The Sigma "fp L" has been added to overseas retailers for $ 2,499, the "fp L EVF Kit" for $ 2,999, and the "EVF-11" for $ 6,99.#噂

At $2499 it may be either an attempt to get big market share quickly or may simply mean that the changes are not as significant as hoped. I'm less excited.

Mike

Well, it's 8:00 p.m. EST in the U.S. There has been no announcement from Sigma except that there is a "Potential issue of ghost resistance deterioration of the SIGMA 28-70mm F2.8 DG DN | Contemporary"

https://www.sigmaphoto.com/article/potential-issue-of-ghost-resistance-deterioration-of-the-sigma-28-70mm

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Tomorrow:

SIGMA STAGE ONLINE- New Products Presentation [March 25th] - YouTube

at 19:00JST

If you click on the link the youtube window will tell you the time in your country.

It says 1:00pm for me (western european time)

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Elisam Forum Member • Posts: 73
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Looks like it is definitely 61MP and with PDAF on sensor, which will be a huge benefit of the new model. Price is good too. Keen to see the rest of the details.

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Elisam wrote:

Looks like it is definitely 61MP and with PDAF on sensor, which will be a huge benefit of the new model. Price is good too. Keen to see the rest of the details.

It seems I was wrong to doubt the rumours, although the one about the date was certainly wrong.

Maybe we will find out what the L stands for.

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