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is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

Started Dec 11, 2020 | Questions
Bokobabot New Member • Posts: 21
Re: EOS Ra - Stuck/Hot Pixels with long exposures...

is highlight tone priority nr destroy my dark part of image, or totally destroy sensor?...btw my Eos r is brand new a couple of week

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Light Pilgrim
Light Pilgrim Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

I had 50-60 dead/stuck/hot pixels on a brand new R5. Several on lcd. Service mapped sensor pixels and I am still fighting for them to replace lcd.

bclaff Forum Pro • Posts: 13,922
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

Light Pilgrim wrote:

I had 50-60 dead/stuck/hot pixels on a brand new R5. Several on lcd. Service mapped sensor pixels and I am still fighting for them to replace lcd.

The only cameras I have seen with that many defect pixels were on the International Space Station (ISS) where they are subject to a lot of cosmic radiation; so I don't believe your 50-60 count.
If your R5 is still showing a significant number of defects then we should do my test to get an objective measurement.

As for the LCD that is an entirely different matter.

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Light Pilgrim
Light Pilgrim Senior Member • Posts: 1,531
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

why not? i can send you the picture I took

bclaff wrote:

Light Pilgrim wrote:

I had 50-60 dead/stuck/hot pixels on a brand new R5. Several on lcd. Service mapped sensor pixels and I am still fighting for them to replace lcd.

The only cameras I have seen with that many defect pixels were on the International Space Station (ISS) where they are subject to a lot of cosmic radiation; so I don't believe your 50-60 count.
If your R5 is still showing a significant number of defects then we should do my test to get an objective measurement.

As for the LCD that is an entirely different matter.

Marco Nero
Marco Nero Veteran Member • Posts: 7,582
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

bclaff wrote:

Light Pilgrim wrote:

I had 50-60 dead/stuck/hot pixels on a brand new R5. Several on lcd. Service mapped sensor pixels and I am still fighting for them to replace lcd.

The only cameras I have seen with that many defect pixels were on the International Space Station (ISS) where they are subject to a lot of cosmic radiation; so I don't believe your 50-60 count.
If your R5 is still showing a significant number of defects then we should do my test to get an objective measurement.

As for the LCD that is an entirely different matter.

I had well over 1,200 stuck pixels and hot pixels after my first hour of shooting 25-second exposures with a brand new Canon EOS 6D.  A "manual sensor clean" resolved the majority of them when I returned home.  The sheer volume made it look like there was snow in the shots and I was quite shocked when I downloaded the images and saw them. So yes, it's plausible for someone to experience a high number of stuck/hot pixels in a new DSLR or mirrorless camera. 
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Cosmic Rays can affect an LCD but in an entirely different manner.  When one of these hyper-charged particles penetrates a microprocessor or transistor, it can cause the binary code to change by a single numeric digit, resulting in a change of value.  I believe this type of scenario was first recorded during an election when the voting machines produced false data without human intervention.  The resulting investigation ended up determining that it was Cosmic Rays affecting the binary code in the microprocessor... which is why no microprocessors are permitted to be manufactured near natural deposits of radioactive materials (eg Uranium deposits).  The Earth's magnetic fields protect us from most of the cosmic rays. Single Event Upsets (SEUs) are believed to be triggered when a cosmic ray particle penetrates a computer's microprocessor, causing any number of crashes or defects to occur.
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The NASA crew on the ISS tends to use Nikon DSLR cameras which are well shielded against cosmic radiation inside the ISS - mostly by the Earth's Magentic Fields.  Plus the orbit of the ISS is uniquely low (literally a low earth orbit).  These particles make it to the Earth's surface and can penetrate the crust by as far as 3.5km.  But NASA has a safety policy in place that ensures ISS crews and potential 180 day lunar flight crews meet the 95% safety "Confidence Level" with less than 3% risk (of death) during their spaceflight career.  Hence a passenger routinely flying at occasional international flight heights is likely to endure roughly the same amount of cosmic radiation on their camera sensors.  Resulting in similar numbers of affected pixels.

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m100 Senior Member • Posts: 2,048
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

Marco Nero wrote:

bclaff wrote:

Light Pilgrim wrote:

I had 50-60 dead/stuck/hot pixels on a brand new R5. Several on lcd. Service mapped sensor pixels and I am still fighting for them to replace lcd.

The only cameras I have seen with that many defect pixels were on the International Space Station (ISS) where they are subject to a lot of cosmic radiation; so I don't believe your 50-60 count.
If your R5 is still showing a significant number of defects then we should do my test to get an objective measurement.

As for the LCD that is an entirely different matter.

I had well over 1,200 stuck pixels and hot pixels after my first hour of shooting 25-second exposures with a brand new Canon EOS 6D. A "manual sensor clean" resolved the majority of them when I returned home. The sheer volume made it look like there was snow in the shots and I was quite shocked when I downloaded the images and saw them. So yes, it's plausible for someone to experience a high number of stuck/hot pixels in a new DSLR or mirrorless camera.
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Cosmic Rays can affect an LCD but in an entirely different manner. When one of these hyper-charged particles penetrates a microprocessor or transistor, it can cause the binary code to change by a single numeric digit, resulting in a change of value. I believe this type of scenario was first recorded during an election when the voting machines produced false data without human intervention. The resulting investigation ended up determining that it was Cosmic Rays affecting the binary code in the microprocessor... which is why no microprocessors are permitted to be manufactured near natural deposits of radioactive materials (eg Uranium deposits). The Earth's magnetic fields protect us from most of the cosmic rays. Single Event Upsets (SEUs) are believed to be triggered when a cosmic ray particle penetrates a computer's microprocessor, causing any number of crashes or defects to occur.
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The NASA crew on the ISS tends to use Nikon DSLR cameras which are well shielded against cosmic radiation inside the ISS - mostly by the Earth's Magentic Fields. Plus the orbit of the ISS is uniquely low (literally a low earth orbit). These particles make it to the Earth's surface and can penetrate the crust by as far as 3.5km. But NASA has a safety policy in place that ensures ISS crews and potential 180 day lunar flight crews meet the 95% safety "Confidence Level" with less than 3% risk (of death) during their spaceflight career. Hence a passenger routinely flying at occasional international flight heights is likely to endure roughly the same amount of cosmic radiation on their camera sensors. Resulting in similar numbers of affected pixels.

Soft error. Back in the day computer books called it a soft fail ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_error

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bclaff Forum Pro • Posts: 13,922
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

Light Pilgrim wrote:

why not? i can send you the picture I took

bclaff wrote:

Light Pilgrim wrote:

I had 50-60 dead/stuck/hot pixels on a brand new R5. Several on lcd. Service mapped sensor pixels and I am still fighting for them to replace lcd.

The only cameras I have seen with that many defect pixels were on the International Space Station (ISS) where they are subject to a lot of cosmic radiation; so I don't believe your 50-60 count.
If your R5 is still showing a significant number of defects then we should do my test to get an objective measurement.

As for the LCD that is an entirely different matter.

If you have a raw file I can take a look but it's unlikely that it is suitable for statistical analysis.

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bclaff Forum Pro • Posts: 13,922
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Marco Nero wrote:

bclaff wrote:

Light Pilgrim wrote:

I had 50-60 dead/stuck/hot pixels on a brand new R5. Several on lcd. Service mapped sensor pixels and I am still fighting for them to replace lcd.

The only cameras I have seen with that many defect pixels were on the International Space Station (ISS) where they are subject to a lot of cosmic radiation; so I don't believe your 50-60 count.
If your R5 is still showing a significant number of defects then we should do my test to get an objective measurement.

As for the LCD that is an entirely different matter.

I had well over 1,200 stuck pixels and hot pixels after my first hour of shooting 25-second exposures with a brand new Canon EOS 6D. 
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What you describe sounds like Dark Signal Non-Uniformity (DSNU) which is distinct from defect pixels. DSNU generally appears in exposures of over about 4 seconds.
I'm in the middle of writing an article for PhotonsToPhotos on this subject.

Cosmic Rays can affect an LCD but in an entirely different manner. ....

I wasn't referring to the LCD but the image sensor.

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The NASA crew on the ISS tends to use Nikon DSLR cameras which are well shielded against cosmic radiation inside the ISS - mostly by the Earth's Magentic Fields. ...

I have many many raw files from the ISS and I can assure you that they are very affected by cosmic rays (I was contacted about how to automatically remove these in post processing and have had good success.)
The astronauts may not be significantly affected but I assure you the camera image sensors are.

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Bokobabot New Member • Posts: 21
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

I have stuck pixel on but in the next image they are at the other position, but when I open raw file on light room is a snowing od white pixels on iso 40000...is that a gain from iso and long exposition or destroy sensor?

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Kameratrollet Senior Member • Posts: 1,099
Re: is it normal to have this much dead pixel on the brand new canon ra?

Bokobabot wrote:

I have stuck pixel on but in the next image they are at the other position, but when I open raw file on light room is a snowing od white pixels on iso 40000...is that a gain from iso and long exposition or destroy sensor?

Lightroom removes hot pixels automatically, but has no threshold slider.

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Bokobabot wrote:

I have stuck pixel on but in the next image they are at the other position, but when I open raw file on light room is a snowing od white pixels on iso 40000...is that a gain from iso and long exposition or destroy sensor?

This sounds like ordinary noise (which is random) since a defect pixel will not change position.

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