Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

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Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

I still use 2-3  F mount lenses on my Z , and I don't want to change them due to seldom use and good IQ.

What is a little bit annoying, is the bulky FTZ adapter. I understand, that a certain size is needed to compensate the difference between the F mount and Z mount, but I do not need the bulky tripod connection on the FTZ.  Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

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beatboxa Veteran Member • Posts: 7,530
Re: Not so bulky FTZ adapter?
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z2122 wrote:

I still use 2-3 F mount lenses on my Z , and I don't want to change them due to seldom use and good IQ.

What is a little bit annoying, is the bulky FTZ adapter. I understand, that a certain size is needed to compensate the difference between the F mount and Z mount, but I do not need the bulky tripod connection on the FTZ. Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

Throw a base plate onto your camera like the one from smallrig.  You'll never think about the FTZ "bulk" again.

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I believe that “bulky tripod mount” also contains circuitry and a mechanism to link aperture control to non “E” lenses.

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Ernie Misner
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Re: Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

beatboxa wrote:

z2122 wrote:

I still use 2-3 F mount lenses on my Z , and I don't want to change them due to seldom use and good IQ.

What is a little bit annoying, is the bulky FTZ adapter. I understand, that a certain size is needed to compensate the difference between the F mount and Z mount, but I do not need the bulky tripod connection on the FTZ. Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

Throw a base plate onto your camera like the one from smallrig. You'll never think about the FTZ "bulk" again.

I would love to see a link to what you have in mind from smallrig.  Is that for hand holding with a gyro?

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Ernie Misner
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Tootsall wrote:

I believe that “bulky tripod mount” also contains circuitry and a mechanism to link aperture control to non “E” lenses.

Indeed and that tripod mount works great and balances some lenses nicely.

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Heritage Cameras
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Re: Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

Tootsall wrote:

I believe that “bulky tripod mount” also contains circuitry and a mechanism to link aperture control to non “E” lenses.

Yes, there's a motor and other components in the FTZ to operate the mechanical diaphragm lever on most lenses, as shown here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62316015

Presumably Nikon or some other manufacturer could make a slimmer, lighter and less expensive "FTZ Lite" adapter without this feature, but it would then only work fully on Nikkor E and other lenses with electronic diaphragm operation.

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Leonard Shepherd
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Heritage Cameras wrote:

Presumably Nikon or some other manufacturer could make a slimmer, lighter and less expensive "FTZ Lite" adapter

The Canon equivalent UK street price is around £120 - compared to £250 the FTZ as a single item.

The package price with a body and FTZ is often £100-150 extra for the FTZ.

Nikon could sell it cheaper as a stand alone item - but choose not to.

New "white box" FTZ typically cost around £150 in the UK.

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Re: Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

Leonard Shepherd wrote:

Heritage Cameras wrote:

Presumably Nikon or some other manufacturer could make a slimmer, lighter and less expensive "FTZ Lite" adapter

The Canon equivalent UK street price is around £120 - compared to £250 the FTZ as a single item.

The package price with a body and FTZ is often £100-150 extra for the FTZ.

Nikon could sell it cheaper as a stand alone item - but choose not to.

New "white box" FTZ typically cost around £150 in the UK.

Indeed, that's the point I was making as the Canon adapter is all-electronic with no motor or mechanical features required. However, the link between manufacturing cost and selling price is somewhat "flexible"...

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beatboxa Veteran Member • Posts: 7,530
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Ernie Misner wrote:

beatboxa wrote:

z2122 wrote:

I still use 2-3 F mount lenses on my Z , and I don't want to change them due to seldom use and good IQ.

What is a little bit annoying, is the bulky FTZ adapter. I understand, that a certain size is needed to compensate the difference between the F mount and Z mount, but I do not need the bulky tripod connection on the FTZ. Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

Throw a base plate onto your camera like the one from smallrig. You'll never think about the FTZ "bulk" again.

I would love to see a link to what you have in mind from smallrig. Is that for hand holding with a gyro?

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62101576

ZapperVT Contributing Member • Posts: 843
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z2122 wrote:

Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

No, if you want AF and aperture control. There are cheap dumb adapters that will work with manual focus lenses with mechanical aperture rings.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003JFRVD2/ref=psdcmw_3347321_t1_B07QJCNKPP

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bmoag Senior Member • Posts: 2,749
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The FTZ is a one size fits some adapter and does not fully adapt many Nikon lenses that would all function as they ought with Nikon full frame optical dSLRs. Not to mention late model F mount autofocus lenses from non-Nikon vendors.

The very definition of a "kludge."

As Tamron and Sigma are not marketing lenses in Z mounts there seems zero chance anyone would make a better than FTZ adapter, particularly Nikon.

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Franks38 Regular Member • Posts: 263
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Hopefully, I got to the right DPR page. If yes, here is a photo of what is in the FTZ foot that requires is the size it is...Frank in Eugene, OR

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62316015

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Re: Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

bmoag wrote:

The FTZ is a one size fits some adapter and does not fully adapt many Nikon lenses that would all function as they ought with Nikon full frame optical dSLRs. Not to mention late model F mount autofocus lenses from non-Nikon vendors.

The very definition of a "kludge."

As Tamron and Sigma are not marketing lenses in Z mounts there seems zero chance anyone would make a better than FTZ adapter, particularly Nikon.

The FTZ would be even bulkier if it had an AF motor for the old screw drive lenses.  It would be nice to have a second version of the FTZ with screw drive.  But I'm glad it's not in the one I have.

As for non-Nikon vendors, it depends on how good their F mount reverse engineering was.  Sigma didn't have many problems with the FTZ.  Tamron had more.  Samyang/Rokinon had lots.  As long as Nikon's policy is to keep their mounts proprietary, it's not on them to be compatible with 3rd parties.

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Re: Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

beatboxa wrote:

z2122 wrote:

I still use 2-3 F mount lenses on my Z , and I don't want to change them due to seldom use and good IQ.

What is a little bit annoying, is the bulky FTZ adapter. I understand, that a certain size is needed to compensate the difference between the F mount and Z mount, but I do not need the bulky tripod connection on the FTZ. Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

Throw a base plate onto your camera like the one from smallrig. You'll never think about the FTZ "bulk" again.

Why?  Because he's now complaining about the SmallRig bulk?  Is your response tongue-in-cheek?

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Dan DeLion Contributing Member • Posts: 867
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bmoag wrote:

The FTZ is a one size fits some adapter and does not fully adapt many Nikon lenses that would all function as they ought with Nikon full frame optical dSLRs. Not to mention late model F mount autofocus lenses from non-Nikon vendors.

The very definition of a "kludge."

As Tamron and Sigma are not marketing lenses in Z mounts there seems zero chance anyone would make a better than FTZ adapter, particularly Nikon.

bmoag - Would you happen to have 5 or 10 examples of the "many" Nikon lenses that don't function fully with the FTZ. We all know about screw drive lenses not having AF on the FTZ adaptor. I'm asking about high quality Nikkors, not third party lenses. The reason I'm asking is that I've had no problems with the 30 or so Nikkors that I own. So, it would be good to know which Nikkors to stay away from.

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ZapperVT wrote:

bmoag wrote:

The FTZ is a one size fits some adapter and does not fully adapt many Nikon lenses that would all function as they ought with Nikon full frame optical dSLRs. Not to mention late model F mount autofocus lenses from non-Nikon vendors.

The very definition of a "kludge."

As Tamron and Sigma are not marketing lenses in Z mounts there seems zero chance anyone would make a better than FTZ adapter, particularly Nikon.

The FTZ would be even bulkier if it had an AF motor for the old screw drive lenses. It would be nice to have a second version of the FTZ with screw drive. But I'm glad it's not in the one I have.

That's simply an invalid assumption to make. Have you looked at the Sony LA-EA5 adapter?  This adapter contains a motor for screw drive lenses.  I'm not saying Nikon will ever do this or even that they should do it.  But it's certainly feasible to do and doesn't require great size.

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beatboxa Veteran Member • Posts: 7,530
Re: Not so bulky FTZ adapter?

michaeladawson wrote:

beatboxa wrote:

z2122 wrote:

I still use 2-3 F mount lenses on my Z , and I don't want to change them due to seldom use and good IQ.

What is a little bit annoying, is the bulky FTZ adapter. I understand, that a certain size is needed to compensate the difference between the F mount and Z mount, but I do not need the bulky tripod connection on the FTZ. Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

Throw a base plate onto your camera like the one from smallrig. You'll never think about the FTZ "bulk" again.

Why? Because he's now complaining about the SmallRig bulk? Is your response tongue-in-cheek?

No, I am being serious. In my case, I didn't like the additional asymmetrical bulk specifically from the bottom of the adapter, preventing the camera from sitting flush (and messing with the tripod compatibility in those cases). If the camera was slightly taller, we wouldn't have this issue. So there are several plates that can add a few mm to the camera and sort of blend out the bulkiness of the adapter that I personally only notice due to its asymmetry. It's not going to work for everyone, but it does for many people I've talked to, a few of which are in that link I posted earlier.

More on this topic at this link as well:

The smallrig is one of the larger ones, but there are others and some are much smaller.  Examples of more options are the RRS and the Nikon one.

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michaeladawson wrote:

ZapperVT wrote:

bmoag wrote:

The FTZ is a one size fits some adapter and does not fully adapt many Nikon lenses that would all function as they ought with Nikon full frame optical dSLRs. Not to mention late model F mount autofocus lenses from non-Nikon vendors.

The very definition of a "kludge."

As Tamron and Sigma are not marketing lenses in Z mounts there seems zero chance anyone would make a better than FTZ adapter, particularly Nikon.

The FTZ would be even bulkier if it had an AF motor for the old screw drive lenses. It would be nice to have a second version of the FTZ with screw drive. But I'm glad it's not in the one I have.

That's simply an invalid assumption to make. Have you looked at the Sony LA-EA5 adapter? This adapter contains a motor for screw drive lenses. I'm not saying Nikon will ever do this or even that they should do it. But it's certainly feasible to do and doesn't require great size.

Good point.  That's an impressive piece of mechanical engineering.

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beatboxa wrote:

michaeladawson wrote:

beatboxa wrote:

z2122 wrote:

I still use 2-3 F mount lenses on my Z , and I don't want to change them due to seldom use and good IQ.

What is a little bit annoying, is the bulky FTZ adapter. I understand, that a certain size is needed to compensate the difference between the F mount and Z mount, but I do not need the bulky tripod connection on the FTZ. Is there a good adapter from F to Z mount that is smaller or lighter than the FTZ?

Throw a base plate onto your camera like the one from smallrig. You'll never think about the FTZ "bulk" again.

Why? Because he's now complaining about the SmallRig bulk? Is your response tongue-in-cheek?

No, I am being serious. In my case, I didn't like the additional asymmetrical bulk specifically from the bottom of the adapter, preventing the camera from sitting flush (and messing with the tripod compatibility in those cases). If the camera was slightly taller, we wouldn't have this issue. So there are several plates that can add a few mm to the camera and sort of blend out the bulkiness of the adapter that I personally only notice due to its asymmetry. It's not going to work for everyone, but it does for many people I've talked to, a few of which are in that link I posted earlier.

More on this topic at this link as well:

The smallrig is one of the larger ones, but there are others and some are much smaller. Examples of more options are the RRS and the Nikon one.

To each their own.  I don't like the extra protrusion of the FTZ tripod adapter.  And I wouldn't want that SmallRig plate on my camera all the time either.  With or without the FTZ.

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Dan DeLion wrote:

bmoag wrote:

The FTZ is a one size fits some adapter and does not fully adapt many Nikon lenses that would all function as they ought with Nikon full frame optical dSLRs. Not to mention late model F mount autofocus lenses from non-Nikon vendors.

The very definition of a "kludge."

As Tamron and Sigma are not marketing lenses in Z mounts there seems zero chance anyone would make a better than FTZ adapter, particularly Nikon.

bmoag - Would you happen to have 5 or 10 examples of the "many" Nikon lenses that don't function fully with the FTZ. We all know about screw drive lenses not having AF on the FTZ adaptor. I'm asking about high quality Nikkors, not third party lenses. The reason I'm asking is that I've had no problems with the 30 or so Nikkors that I own. So, it would be good to know which Nikkors to stay away from.

You should probably qualify that further by amending the comment to "high quality AF Nikkors".

In addition to AF-D lenses, the Nikon FTZ adapter does not "fully support" any lens that doesn't contain electrical contacts (chipped).  That leaves out a wide range of high quality manual focus lenses.  What doesn't work?  No EXIF data in the file, no aperture data in the viewfinder either.  I have no idea why Nikon decided to leave out the aperture tab on the adapter.

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