Classic Negative and Bleach Bypass film sims. in Capture One on Macintosh computers

I'll start off by saying that this post is primarily for Capture One users on Apple Macintosh computers.

I don't have a Windows based machine so I have no idea if any of the below might help you Capture One users on Windows.

I don't usually make use of film simulations on my landscape shots. I would normally choose the 'Film Standard' 'Curve' but I will sometimes use the 'Linear' curve. (I like the extra editing freedom.)

Anyway it started by me noticing that there seemed to be many people that wanted film simulations from later cameras than the cameras that they have at present. Especially the 'Classic Negative' and the 'Bleach Bypass' from the X-T3/X-T4 and X-T4 respectively.

So, I started to look at some of the existing film simulations available for my X-H1 and then changed the X-H1 RAW EXIF data to an appropriate value and checked out some more images with the Classic Negative and Bleach Bypass film simulations.

Basically I decided that I would never use Bleach Bypass on any landscape images but that I might occasionally benefit from Classic Negative.

I didn't want to have to go through the hassle of changing the EXIF data of many images just to see whether or not Classic Negative was a potential choice so I decided to try to just make the Classic Negative simulation available for my X-H1 in my Capture One 20 without having to change the file EXIF data.

I found a way to do this and then decided that others might want to do the same thing with that film simulation and Bleach Bypass on other X-T models (e.g Classic Negative and Bleach Bypass for X-H1s and X-T2s and Bleach Bypass on X-T3s). Expect disappointments as I tried the same method for my X-T1 but that just didn't work so I believe that the method is probably sensor dependent. (Colors were close-ish but tonal levels were way down.)

Now for the BUT.

I am willing to say what I did but, not in any detail as I do not want to annoy either Fujifilm or Phase One/Capture One. I am just describing a the abilities and use of the Mac Finder.

So, here goes ;-

The executable(s) i.e. Applications on Apple Macintosh OS(s) (macOS) are actually a 'package' containing its executable(s) and all supporting files and executables needed for the application to run correctly. So the App package must contain the data needed to give you the film simulations.

You can use the Mac Finder to look into the Capture One package (Application) and search for the directory that contains the film curve resources.

In that directory find the film simulation curve file that you want AND its' 9 other supporting files that are needed for that film simulation. (The file naming system makes it relatively easy to identifying those 9 supporting files.)

Select and COPY out to somewhere else the 9 supporting files and the curve file.

Keeping the same file name structure change the names of the copied files appropriately to apply to the camera you want them for.

Make a note of the filenames of the newly renamed files before the next step just in case it doesn't work and you want to delete/remove them.

Copy the renamed files back to the directory from which you copied out the original files.

You should now be able to run Capture One and choose that film simulation without editing the EXIF data.

RG

Example of X-H1 and X-T2 using Classic Negative simulation with X-T3 and X-T4 as references. (Un-adjusted RAW files from the DPR comparison tool.)

Classic Negative on X-H1 andX-T2 without EXIF changes

Example of X-H1, X-T2 and X-T3 using Bleach Bypass with X-T4 as reference. (Un-adjusted RAW files from the DPR comparison tool.)

Bleach Bypass on X-H1, X-T2 and X-T3 without EXIF changes

RetiringGuy wrote:

I don't have a Windows based machine so I have no idea if any of the below might help you Capture One users on Windows.

LOL, this is unbelievable - it works on Windows just the same (if not easier, too)

I did some looking inside "Capture One" installation folder a while ago, but it was a quick check, and I didn`t dream about it being this plain and simple.

Basically, inside "Phase One\Capture One 20\Film Curves", you have all of them listed, named by camera and film curve. For example, "FujiXT3-Fujifilm CLASSIC NEGATIVE.fcrv". Copy that one and rename the copy to "FujiXH1-Fujifilm CLASSIC NEGATIVE.fcrv" and BAM - "CLASSIC NEGATIVE" is now listed for X-H1 camera RAW files inside "Capture One", no EXIF modifications needed

AND HERE COMES THE BUT.

While simulation is available, from a quick test with a file I had it didn`t look even close to what I would expect from "Classic Negative"... Meh.

So, might be there are more files to rename (as you mentioned 9 files on Mac, and I found only one so far on Windows), or it could be that file format/contents are more camera specific here (which is not something I would expect, differing from Mac version that much, but who knows), simple renaming not being enough to cover in-file mapping differences.

I`ll look a bit more into it (and hope for others to join).

boogisha wrote:

Basically, inside "Phase One\Capture One 20\Film Curves", you have all of them listed, named by camera and film curve. For example, "FujiXT3-Fujifilm CLASSIC NEGATIVE.fcrv".

Yeah, this file seems to be a mere "pointer" to link camera model and film curve (so drop-down selection is available, file itself is almost empty), but I guess that is hardly enough for it to work as expected across different sensors/generations...

p.s. That said, making a copy of "FujiXT4-Fujifilm ETERNA BLEACH BYPASS.fcrv" and naming it "FujiXT3-Fujifilm ETERNA BLEACH BYPASS.fcrv" seems to work just fine, for whomever is interested in that one

boogisha wrote:

Basically, inside "Phase One\Capture One 20\Film Curves", you have all of them listed, named by camera and film curve. For example, "FujiXT3-Fujifilm CLASSIC NEGATIVE.fcrv". Copy that one and rename the copy to "FujiXH1-Fujifilm CLASSIC NEGATIVE.fcrv" and BAM - "CLASSIC NEGATIVE" is now listed for X-H1 camera RAW files inside "Capture One", no EXIF modifications needed

AND HERE COMES THE BUT.

While simulation is available, from a quick test with a file I had it didn`t look even close to what I would expect from "Classic Negative"... Meh.

So, might be there are more files to rename (as you mentioned 9 files on Mac, and I found only one so far on Windows), or it could be that file format/contents are more camera specific here (which is not something I would expect, differing from Mac version that much, but who knows), simple renaming not being enough to cover in-file mapping differences.

I`ll look a bit more into it (and hope for others to join).

Yep, there are exactly 9 more files, indeed, in the same folder but named a bit differently, and with "P1X" extension (let me not spoil all the fun, but they should be easily recognizable still). Copy/rename these as well, and "Classic Negative" seems to be working for X-H1 just fine, too

Trivia: X-T4 doesn`t seem to have its own "P1X" files, but probably just reuses files from X-T3 - another possible proof is existence of "P1X" files for X-T3 for "Eterna Bleach Bypass" film simulation, where the simulation itself is (normally) not available for X-T3, but X-T4 only (but it can be easily added for X-T3[1], too).

RetiringGuy wrote:

I found a way to do this and then decided that others might want to do the same thing with that film simulation and Bleach Bypass on other X-T models (e.g Classic Negative and Bleach Bypass for X-H1s and X-T2s and Bleach Bypass on X-T3s). Expect disappointments as I tried the same method for my X-T1 but that just didn't work so I believe that the method is probably sensor dependent. (Colors were close-ish but tonal levels were way down.)

On Windows, I`ve noticed that 9 files (per film simulation) are available for X-T3 and X-H1 only, presumably being shared across other models of the same sensor/processor generation to allow film simulations as expected.

But for X-T1 there seem to be no film simulations available, neither for X-Pro1 - quite possibly as 9 files are missing for that sensor generation completely (for example, X-H1 corresponds to X-T2, X-Pro2, etc, and those do have film simulations available).

Just tried this and it works GREAT! A much faster alternative than the EXIF updating. Thanks for the tip!

Many thanks for sharing - unbelievable it's so trivial (I hope they don't change it soon).

Cheers,

Artur

Hmm, I right click captureone > show package contents

I cant seen to find anything, even when searching the keywords. Am I doing something wrong?

RetiringGuy wrote:

NKD15,

No, you are not doing anything wrong.

The normal action of the Finder search system does not seem to work as expected within the 'Package'.

As I said in my original post I do not want to aggravate the wrath of either Fijifilm or Phase One so I am not going to explain in detail.

Right Click select Show Package Contents and then select 'Contents'.

You will then have to manually fully cycle through each directory tree until you find a directory who's name quite obviously indicates that it contains film curves. (Starting with the top directory you don't have to cycle through many to get to where you want to be.

RG

Gotacha! Thanks!

RetiringGuy wrote:

boogisha,

You seem to have found the same things that I have, except that you have Windows while I use a Mac.

I don't find it surprising that the basic C1 operating file structure is basically the same (or very close) as I would not expect a software firm to want to invent its' application twice.

I just thought it through and said to myself that others may want to know what I had found, so I wrote this original post.

I leave it up to others to decide if they want to try the technique. After all not everybody is as informed about computer operating systems and their structures. Nevermind being willing to delve into the nitty-gritty of directory structures etc..

I hope that it is useful to those who would like to do it but don't know where to start.

Keep being inquisitive. When I retired from communication equipment and system design I needed something to keep the brain active. Being inquisitive helps to do just that.

RG

Big thanks to RetiringGuy and Boogisha for these tips. I tried this using C1 ver 20 (for MacOs) and got Classic Negative available for the XT2, XPro2 and X100F. Very pleased! Today I downloaded C1 ver 21 and started making the changes only to find they no longer work. Maybe I did something wrong but I tried several times using the XT3 files (as I did on C1 ver 20) and changing names to either XT2 or X100F. Did not work. Anyone else tried this with the new Capture One 21? Cheers, John G

Guys, you SHOULD take a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUce-04DoSM

That's the EASIEST way to get any Fujifilm filmsim from the X-T4 on any camera, WITHOUT editing the raf files in any way. Awesome!

I have tested myself on Windows 10 and Lightroom CC and it works flawlessly on my X-H1 files.

Have a nice day!

El Vuelo del Escorpion wrote:

Guys, you SHOULD take a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUce-04DoSM

That's the EASIEST way to get any Fujifilm filmsim from the X-T4 on any camera, WITHOUT editing the raf files in any way. Awesome!

I have tested myself on Windows 10 and Lightroom CC and it works flawlessly on my X-H1 files.

Have a nice day!

Now I see that the method suggested by the OP here was pretty similar to the one I posted, although not so flexible (you need to rename folders for each camera. The one suggested in the video simply removes the rescrictions of an specific profile to any camera).

In other hand the video is described for Mac users. I did the same on Windows using Notepad+ as editor and it works.

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Make sure you rename the nine P1X files to X-H1 if you're using an X-TRANS III sensor and rename the one .fcrv file to your camera model.

Although this is a fantastic technique to permanently get Classic Neg and Bleach Bypass, for those who do not own X-Trans III/ IV cameras, the EXIF modification is the only way to get all film sims in Lightroom. Pal2tech's video is clickbaity in this respect, as this technique does not allow you to get all film sims, but merely CN and BB.

It should be called film curves.