Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

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ezriel Regular Member • Posts: 349
Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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Read ALL previous threads on the subject.

Coming from D500 + 35 1.8, 85 1.8, 11-16 2.8, 200-500.

Barely use it other than special occasions, also got rid of smartphone, and want something that fit in jacket pocket that I'll be happy with.

Taking family pictures at home, and wildlife and landscape outdoor.

Read A LOT, and decided on RX100VII.

Love it, Great outdoor, but indoor I usually have to go above ISO 400 which introduce noise that drive me nuts. Also kids not look even close to the nice pictures of the D500.

Tried today the X100v, It's AMAZING for indoor, kids, low light, etc. Beautiful skin tone, great noiseless photos at ISO 3200, Great blurred background, No need for flesh and no noise!

BUT, outdoor, it's not nice as RX100, No zoom and No really wide angle, Not focusing good enough for wildlife, Videos are no good (even though it's not a priority for me).

What should I do???

Pocketability is a must for me, otherwise I'll take the D500.

Great kids photos in low light is important, but zoom and nice colorful photos outdoor is also important...

Is there a solution???

 ezriel's gear list:ezriel's gear list
Nikon D90 Nikon D500 Canon EOS M6 II Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm F1.8G Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G VR +8 more
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Ed B
Ed B Forum Pro • Posts: 11,155
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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ezriel wrote:

Read ALL previous threads on the subject.

Coming from D500 + 35 1.8, 85 1.8, 11-16 2.8, 200-500.

Barely use it other than special occasions, also got rid of smartphone, and want something that fit in jacket pocket that I'll be happy with.

Taking family pictures at home, and wildlife and landscape outdoor.

Read A LOT, and decided on RX100VII.

Love it, Great outdoor, but indoor I usually have to go above ISO 400 which introduce noise that drive me nuts. Also kids not look even close to the nice pictures of the D500.

Tried today the X100v, It's AMAZING for indoor, kids, low light, etc. Beautiful skin tone, great noiseless photos at ISO 3200, Great blurred background, No need for flesh and no noise!

BUT, outdoor, it's not nice as RX100, No zoom and No really wide angle, Not focusing good enough for wildlife, Videos are no good (even though it's not a priority for me).

What should I do???

Pocketability is a must for me, otherwise I'll take the D500.

Great kids photos in low light is important, but zoom and nice colorful photos outdoor is also important...

Is there a solution???

Two completely different cameras but I guess you already know that.

When it comes to a small camera with a fairly long zoom the RX100 VII is probably one of the best a person could buy and I'll agree that the Fuji, with its fixed 35mm equivalent prime lens is too wide for some situations and that it's not a camera designed for wildlife photography.
Just the same, the X100V and the X100F are rated as two of the best fixed, prime lens cameras on the market but, a fixed single focal length camera isn't right for most people and anyone trying to decide between a camera like the X100V and the Sony RX100 VII would be much happier off with the Sony.

mostlyboringphotog Veteran Member • Posts: 9,515
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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ezriel wrote:

Read ALL previous threads on the subject.

Coming from D500 + 35 1.8, 85 1.8, 11-16 2.8, 200-500.

Barely use it other than special occasions, also got rid of smartphone, and want something that fit in jacket pocket that I'll be happy with.

Taking family pictures at home, and wildlife and landscape outdoor.

Read A LOT, and decided on RX100VII.

Love it, Great outdoor, but indoor I usually have to go above ISO 400 which introduce noise that drive me nuts. Also kids not look even close to the nice pictures of the D500.

Tried today the X100v, It's AMAZING for indoor, kids, low light, etc. Beautiful skin tone, great noiseless photos at ISO 3200, Great blurred background, No need for flesh and no noise!

BUT, outdoor, it's not nice as RX100, No zoom and No really wide angle, Not focusing good enough for wildlife, Videos are no good (even though it's not a priority for me).

What should I do???

Pocketability is a must for me, otherwise I'll take the D500.

Great kids photos in low light is important, but zoom and nice colorful photos outdoor is also important...

Is there a solution???

X100V is APS-C sensor camera which is same sensor size as D500 (also FUJI is known for their JPEG quality) where as RX100 is 1" sensor which is a little less than the 1/2 the area size.

The difference in noise is the result of the sensor size difference. And the processing that each camera does.

So is there a solution? I'm afraid not If you find one, please let me know I have all these cameras in search of my perfect camera.

A bit more seriously, noise reduction SW can do some amazing things, if you have not tried it. Something like noise nija is freeware (IIRC) and one of the best (?) one seems to be DeNoise AI from TOPAZ - you could try for 30 days.

If you don't mind uploading a photo that you think is unacceptably noisy, I would run it to see how much difference it can make.

Also shooting raw rather than JPEG with RX100, more editing can be done to make the photos look (much) nicer.

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OP ezriel Regular Member • Posts: 349
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

Problem is I'm not happy with the results at home, but will miss the results outside without it...

 ezriel's gear list:ezriel's gear list
Nikon D90 Nikon D500 Canon EOS M6 II Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm F1.8G Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G VR +8 more
OP ezriel Regular Member • Posts: 349
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

shooting only Raw, and bought Denoise last month for the RX100. After the noise gone, Kids photo still looks inferior to what I used to, and sometimes the details going away with the noise.

the Fugi is so much better in this respect. Almost perfect. Just need the zoom...

 ezriel's gear list:ezriel's gear list
Nikon D90 Nikon D500 Canon EOS M6 II Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm F1.8G Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G VR +8 more
OP ezriel Regular Member • Posts: 349
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

Is something like M6 mark 2 with 22mm F2 could be pocketable?

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mostlyboringphotog Veteran Member • Posts: 9,515
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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ezriel wrote:

Is something like M6 mark 2 with 22mm F2 could be pocketable?

It's bit debatable if pocketable and certainly you are back to prime without zoom.

I mean this seriously, I would carry 100V in one pocket and RX100VII in the other pocket,

Good luck!!

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Ed B
Ed B Forum Pro • Posts: 11,155
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

ezriel wrote:

Problem is I'm not happy with the results at home, but will miss the results outside without it...

I wish I could give you some decent advice but there's no such thing as a small, fixed, long zoom lens camera that's good indoors in lower light conditions. Either the sensors are too small or the lenses are too slow.

The Sony RX100V or VA is much, much better than the RX100VI or VII when it comes to indoor photography because they have a faster lens than the VI or VII cameras. Just the same their indoor ability is still limited by the one-inch sensor.

I think both the Fuji X100F and X100V are excellent cameras but they're definitely niche cameras and not general-purpose cameras so they're probably not good for people who only own one camera and when you come right down to it, they're probably not a good choice for casual photographers.

Anyway, I hope you find something that will work for you. I think you might end up needing two different cameras.

OP ezriel Regular Member • Posts: 349
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

Trying now Canon M6 mark II with 22mm F2 which is same as the X100v, AND will have with me when going out and about also the 55-200.

Maybe that will answer my problem?

 ezriel's gear list:ezriel's gear list
Nikon D90 Nikon D500 Canon EOS M6 II Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm F1.8G Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G VR +8 more
OP ezriel Regular Member • Posts: 349
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

Trying now Canon M6 mark II with 22mm F2 which is same as the X100v, AND will have with me when going out and about also the 55-200.

Maybe that will answer my problem?

 ezriel's gear list:ezriel's gear list
Nikon D90 Nikon D500 Canon EOS M6 II Nikon AF-S DX Nikkor 35mm F1.8G Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6G VR +8 more
mostlyboringphotog Veteran Member • Posts: 9,515
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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ezriel wrote:

Trying now Canon M6 mark II with 22mm F2 which is same as the X100v, AND will have with me when going out and about also the 55-200.

Maybe that will answer my problem?

Additional 55-200 lens may be less portable than the RX100VII but you do get APS-C sensor rather than the 1" sensor of RX100VII.

Good luck.

 mostlyboringphotog's gear list:mostlyboringphotog's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1 Pentax 645Z Nikon 1 J5 Fujifilm GFX 50R Canon EOS RP
robgendreau Veteran Member • Posts: 7,923
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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You might wanna consider an M43. Something like a Pen F, GX85, E-PL9, etc.

I've got a E-PL8 that I use with an attachable VF outside, but without that and say the Panny 20mm I have it can fit in a coat pocket. A bit bigger with the pancake kit lens, but can still fit. And sometimes I just put on a longer lens and carry it round the neck. Point being, not too much bigger than the others, bigger sensor than the Sony, lots of lenses, including long ones if you can forego putting it in a pocket.

Oh, and often less expensive. Even new.

Martin_99 Senior Member • Posts: 1,498
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

buy both!

EDIT: seriously

You have no chance to combine features of both cameras and still stay pocketable.

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liopleurodon Senior Member • Posts: 1,418
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

ezriel wrote:

Is something like M6 mark 2 with 22mm F2 could be pocketable?

Jacket pocket?  Probably.   Pants pocket?  No chance.

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liopleurodon Senior Member • Posts: 1,418
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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ezriel wrote:

shooting only Raw, and bought Denoise last month for the RX100. After the noise gone, Kids photo still looks inferior to what I used to, and sometimes the details going away with the noise.

the Fugi is so much better in this respect. Almost perfect. Just need the zoom...

Try using DxO PhotoLab 4 with AI Prime noise reduction. It's awesome.  It works wonders with smaller sensors and doesn't smear as much detail away as others do.  Obviously no 1" photo will ever look like an APS-C, but you might prefer these results.

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Martin_99 Senior Member • Posts: 1,498
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.
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ezriel wrote:

Trying now Canon M6 mark II with 22mm F2 which is same as the X100v, AND will have with me when going out and about also the 55-200.

Maybe that will answer my problem?

Why not with 18-150, if you missed also wide lens?

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Sony a6400 Canon EOS RP Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* E 24mm F1.8 ZA Sony E 50mm F1.8 OSS Sony E 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 OSS +2 more
Bolothegreat Contributing Member • Posts: 709
Re: Can't decide RX100VII vs X100v. Please help.

ezriel wrote:

Read ALL previous threads on the subject.

Coming from D500 + 35 1.8, 85 1.8, 11-16 2.8, 200-500.

Barely use it other than special occasions, also got rid of smartphone, and want something that fit in jacket pocket that I'll be happy with.

Taking family pictures at home, and wildlife and landscape outdoor.

Read A LOT, and decided on RX100VII.

Love it, Great outdoor, but indoor I usually have to go above ISO 400 which introduce noise that drive me nuts. Also kids not look even close to the nice pictures of the D500.

Tried today the X100v, It's AMAZING for indoor, kids, low light, etc. Beautiful skin tone, great noiseless photos at ISO 3200, Great blurred background, No need for flesh and no noise!

BUT, outdoor, it's not nice as RX100, No zoom and No really wide angle, Not focusing good enough for wildlife, Videos are no good (even though it's not a priority for me).

What should I do???

Pocketability is a must for me, otherwise I'll take the D500.

Great kids photos in low light is important, but zoom and nice colorful photos outdoor is also important...

Is there a solution???

Have you looked at the Fuji XE3? That plus the 18mm f2 & 27mm f2.8 would be quite compact...it's selling for quite cheap. You can add more primes or zooms later depending on your needs. (or wait for the upcoming xe4)

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