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* The Weekly Image Thread 20 11 30 #504 *

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19andrew47
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San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

Below are some images taken in the area of the old city in San Juan. The area is very attractive and well maintained, likely for tourism. Our cruise started and ended in Puerto Rico and we stayed overnight before and after the cruise. The day following the cruise allowed us to walk about the old city and take in the sights. We got up early the day after and went for breakfast around 6 a.m. There was no one about other than a few down and out locals. There were police officers on every corner at that time of day. Later in the day things were more 'normal'.

Andrew

All with the kit lens: 14 - 42 mm R with the EPM1 fitted with the electronic viewfinder. The camera is now semi dead but the lens and viewfinder survive. Reprocessed - tiffs exported from OW the processed in PSP2021 and Nik. Verticals corrected but looking at the first I am thinking that there is some uncorrected barrow distortion left in the image, or, the building on the left side is bowed out toward the top!

My wife walking away from the hotel where we stayed. I would choose differently if I had to do it again!

Same street as above.

A town square close to the waterfront in this area, near the end of the street above.

The streets of old town are narrow and colourful.

U.S. Customs facility in Old Town.

Craig from Nevada
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Re: San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

Love the scenes of the city.  That was some fine weather you enjoyed and it does look warm.

19andrew47 wrote:

Below are some images taken in the area of the old city in San Juan. The area is very attractive and well maintained, likely for tourism. Our cruise started and ended in Puerto Rico and we stayed overnight before and after the cruise. The day following the cruise allowed us to walk about the old city and take in the sights. We got up early the day after and went for breakfast around 6 a.m. There was no one about other than a few down and out locals. There were police officers on every corner at that time of day. Later in the day things were more 'normal'.

Andrew

All with the kit lens: 14 - 42 mm R with the EPM1 fitted with the electronic viewfinder. The camera is now semi dead but the lens and viewfinder survive. Reprocessed - tiffs exported from OW the processed in PSP2021 and Nik. Verticals corrected but looking at the first I am thinking that there is some uncorrected barrow distortion left in the image, or, the building on the left side is bowed out toward the top!

My wife walking away from the hotel where we stayed. I would choose differently if I had to do it again!

Same street as above.

A town square close to the waterfront in this area, near the end of the street above.

The streets of old town are narrow and colourful.

U.S. Customs facility in Old Town.

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EZGritz
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Re: San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

Nice photos, Andrew. Looks like a good place to vacation.

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19andrew47
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Re: San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

It is a great and I believe neglected area of the U.S..  Like most of the Caribbean it is a gorgeous location, but with a lot of poverty (and wealth too but I am not sure about who it is that has the wealth).

Andrew

Craig from Nevada
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Re: San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

19andrew47 wrote:

It is a great and I believe neglected area of the U.S.. Like most of the Caribbean it is a gorgeous location, but with a lot of poverty (and wealth too but I am not sure about who it is that has the wealth).

Andrew

Puerto Rico has many problems. The US acquired the island in the Spanish-American war of 1898. It had strategic value as a coaling station to protect the approaches to a Panama Canal that was ultimately built.

All its citizens are also US citizens. Its legal status--is called "Commonwealth". It is not a state and it is not an independent nation. The residents voted for statehood by a narrow margin recently. This issue has been kicking around for decades.

Very high unemployment and many have relocated to the US for jobs and send money home. There were some big Pharmaceuticals down there thanks to big tax breaks. These breaks expired and the firms left. There is not much else going on I understand. Tourism is one thing. Consequently, the island is losing population. This was accelerated by the hurricanes a few years ago.

The island's government is insolvent. Mostly pensions and services it cannot afford to provide.

The electric utility (state owned) has super high rates and is falling apart. The hurricanes destroyed the what was left of the crumbling grid.

Sad story. They are better off than many of the neighboring islands but substantially poorer than US states. Not a great candidate for independence or statehood and commonwealth status rolls on.

This is probably more information than you want or need on the last Monday in November.

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WhyNot
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Flint River Trail – Part 2 Tupelo

We continue our walk along the Big Cove Creek which empties into the Flint River. ...The water level of the Creek and the River are down at the time of this walk. I didn't show and really don't recognize the ancient beaver dam that holds water in this area and this is Mirror Lake (an oxbow lake)

I often see one of more fishermen here but not this day .. so we can walk around and look back at view that is not usually available when the water is a bit higher …

We continue on the trail ..but lose our color! ...

as we enter the tupelo forest … well maybe a grove ..

these are generally standing in water and here the creek could be better called a bog ..

I am still taken by the fact that AL gives awards for best tree .. not sure how may other states and/or countries do this ..

There was another 'Champion” tree here along the trail but it seems to have fallen as I no longer see it … One can notice that civilization is not far away …

In fact with my game this is where I would normally be standing if I had been part of a foursome out there …. Well the trail does continue for another half mile, more or less, but nothing but trail and trees are seen as we move away from the creek and reach a bridge to a more civilized – asphalt – trail …

Actually I'm looking back to the original trail but we'll continue this walk along more civilized trails in the next part. By this time I had a mental outline of what this narrative would be but didn't fill in the detail so that I got the shots that would have helped it along …. Sorry about that …

Still using the M1.2.3 with the mZD12-100mm lens …

Stay well …

WhyNot

Craig from Nevada
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Re: Flint River Trail – Part 2 Tupelo

Very nice scenery, WN.  I get the feeling of wetlands in the southern US from this series.  I like the first two images best, but they are all nice.

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EZGritz
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"Test and Wow" 100-400

Borrowed the new 100-400 OLY on the "Test and Wow" program. Used it with the MC20 to test the limits.

Two shots with the 25 f/1.8 for perspective.

As the fog burned off about noon. Wanted to get out early but too foggy for birds.

This is the osprey platform. It's about 100 yards out. Plus or minus. I'm not a good judge of distance. Most of the bird photos to follow are from ~ 50 yards on my side and 100 yards on the other side of this platform.

Go back to the top photo. This is an image of people standing on the walkway across the water. Probably a quarter-mile away.

This is my new friend, Paul. He is shooting with an EM1.2 with the battery grip and a Panny 100-400. On the platform two SONY photogs shooting hand-held, one with the gigantic SONY, I think the 600mm F/4, the other with a smaller SONY telephoto. A NIKON shooter with a very big NIKON zoom on a tripod. No DSLRs unless the Nikon was. Didn't look. An OLY/SONY day, Nikon and Canon underrepresented.

On the Osprey platform. Not the best Kingfisher photos I've seen but not bad handheld 1600mm at 100 yards away. A bird the size of an eagle would almost fill the frame. Look at the platform taken with the 25mm lens. That is some reach!

A couple of crows eating something left by another bird.

Winter paddle

House 1.5 miles away across the water. You could identify people a mile and a half away.

Another kind of bird

Something at close range to test close focusing ability. Excellent! You photograph insects with this lens. Dragonflies would look great.

Conclusion: For me $1,400, worth every penny. I have to have it but only for a few days of birding a year. Is it worth it to own or better to rent? Undecided. Only for extreme reach. Lots of overlap with 40-150PRO and TC when 40-150PRO can be cropped more. IMO 100-400 not as sharp because I find I can't crop it as much. But if I can fill the frame with the subject using the 100-400 and don't have to crop much = good enough for me. Produces results in the range of the 40-150PRO and 300 f/4. Not as much detail I think after a lot of cropping but definitely if no or small crop nobody is going to think the image doesn't have enough detail compared with the 40-150PRO and 300 f/4. If you really need the reach it's good enough. If a cropped 40-150PRO or 300f/4 is better, not sure. Didn't have enough time to test this and don't know if I care. Good enough = good enough.

AF is very fast but shooting 1600mm hand-held is a different game. I missed more than I usually do but still the vast majority of images are sharp. I don't know the ideal camera settings, shutter speed with this lens. I'm not a birder. I just left the lens on single point SAF or CAF to reduce complication. I have to examine the images to see what I can learn from them about how to use this lens. Probably I can improve on these images. Even so, I think 80% of the photos I took are pretty sharp and well detailed. I had no problem with the weight and balance of this lens on the EM1.2. I shot for 2.5 hours with it with no physical pain or fatigue. My pack was heavy with the camera, the 40-150PRO and the 100-400, the 25 f/1.8, extra battery, both TCs and such but not a burden on a cool day.

Some to noodle on. I'll share more.

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Craig from Nevada
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Re: "Test and Wow" 100-400

Thanks for posting these. I ordered a 100-400mm the other day from B&H. It has been backordered for awhile now. It will make a nice companion for my 12-100mm. I have my doubts about using it with the MC20. Who knows? Maybe I will change my mind on this.

I continue to be grateful to Olympus for pricing the 150-400mm at $7,500. I wish they had priced it at $10,000 and remove any chance of my hitting the purchase icon at B&H..

EZGritz wrote:

Borrowed the new 100-400 OLY on the "Test and Wow" program. Used it with the MC20 to test the limits.

Two shots with the 25 f/1.8 for perspective.

As the fog burned off about noon. Wanted to get out early but too foggy for birds.

This is the osprey platform. It's about 100 yards out. Plus or minus. I'm not a good judge of distance. Most of the bird photos to follow are from ~ 50 yards on my side and 100 yards on the other side of this platform.

Go back to the top photo. This is an image of people standing on the walkway across the water. Probably a quarter-mile away.

This is my new friend, Paul. He is shooting with an EM1.2 with the battery grip and a Panny 100-400. On the platform two SONY photogs shooting hand-held, one with the gigantic SONY, I think the 600mm F/4, the other with a smaller SONY telephoto. A NIKON shooter with a very big NIKON zoom on a tripod. No DSLRs unless the Nikon was. Didn't look. An OLY/SONY day, Nikon and Canon underrepresented.

On the Osprey platform. Not the best Kingfisher photos I've seen but not bad handheld 1600mm at 100 yards away. A bird the size of an eagle would almost fill the frame. Look at the platform taken with the 25mm lens. That is some reach!

A couple of crows eating something left by another bird.

Winter paddle

House 1.5 miles away across the water. You could identify people a mile and a half away.

Another kind of bird

Something at close range to test close focusing ability. Excellent! You photograph insects with this lens. Dragonflies would look great.

Conclusion: For me $1,400, worth every penny. I have to have it but only for a few days of birding a year. Is it worth it to own or better to rent? Undecided. Only for extreme reach. Lots of overlap with 40-150PRO and TC when 40-150PRO can be cropped more. IMO 100-400 not as sharp because I find I can't crop it as much. But if I can fill the frame with the subject using the 100-400 and don't have to crop much = good enough for me. Produces results in the range of the 40-150PRO and 300 f/4. Not as much detail I think after a lot of cropping but definitely if no or small crop nobody is going to think the image doesn't have enough detail compared with the 40-150PRO and 300 f/4. If you really need the reach it's good enough. If a cropped 40-150PRO or 300f/4 is better, not sure. Didn't have enough time to test this and don't know if I care. Good enough = good enough.

AF is very fast but shooting 1600mm hand-held is a different game. I missed more than I usually do but still the vast majority of images are sharp. I don't know the ideal camera settings, shutter speed with this lens. I'm not a birder. I just left the lens on single point SAF or CAF to reduce complication. I have to examine the images to see what I can learn from them about how to use this lens. Probably I can improve on these images. Even so, I think 80% of the photos I took are pretty sharp and well detailed. I had no problem with the weight and balance of this lens on the EM1.2. I shot for 2.5 hours with it with no physical pain or fatigue. My pack was heavy with the camera, the 40-150PRO and the 100-400, the 25 f/1.8, extra battery, both TCs and such but not a burden on a cool day.

Some to noodle on. I'll share more.

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WhyNot
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Re: San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

Nice trip, Andrew .. I have enjoyed every stop along the way …. I have notices that we humans have seen so many photographs of architecture that we have become more accepting of “leaning' buildings … In fact I often find that if buildings are straightened too much they seem to trust out of the picture so I often do not completely correct optical distortions – usually depends on distance of the building … Color of light OTOH I find that I still seem to actually optically correct and so ignore the Impressionists who tried to set us right. ….

Stay well ...

WhyNot

EZGritz
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Re: "Test and Wow" 100-400

Just look at the images, Craig. I used the MC20 for most of these. Left it on the lens. Wait until I post more to decide. I'm not sure myself.

It isn't clear to me that cropping the 40-150PRO with the TC would not be as good as shooting the 100-400 without the TC in most cases. It might turn out I only want to use the 100-400 for extreme reach with the TCs.

It's possible I'll decide the only way I want the 100-400 is to use it with the MC14 or MC20. The 300f/4 might be the best choice but it's a prime, not as versatile as one of the zooms.

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EZGritz
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Re: Flint River Trail – Part 2 Tupelo

Beautiful images.

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EZGritz
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Re: San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

I wonder how it is now after the hurricane and massive financial problems. Not for everybody since so many residents have moved to the US. They are considering a statehood vote. There are benefits and disadvantages of statehood.

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WhyNot
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Re: "Test and Wow" 100-400

I like the pictures you got especially those early ones with the O12-45mm lens. The 100-400 pictures with the TC2.0 do look good on my screen. … I have the P100-300mm lens and not sure giving up that lens and $1500 is worth that extra 100mm at the end … My main concern when I first saw this lens was the f/6.3 at the long end which would force up the ISO to high levels .. However, I recently read Thomas Stirr's article HERE about using this lens with the MC2.0 and that got me interested in the lens again … My bird photography is usually in the yard this time of year when the leaves are gone and and sun gets in. however, my technique with small birds has been to get them comfortable enough with my presence that I can often shoot them using the old 50-200mm lens .. We don't see enough birds in the air to get enough practice with that so small birds mostly sitting ...Usually the 300mm is good enough for standing heron. . … Probably never spend the money but it is an interesting lens …

Stay Well ….

WhyNot

Craig from Nevada
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Re: "Test and Wow" 100-400

WhyNot wrote:

I like the pictures you got especially those early ones with the O12-45mm lens. The 100-400 pictures with the TC2.0 do look good on my screen. … I have the P100-300mm lens and not sure giving up that lens and $1500 is worth that extra 100mm at the end … My main concern when I first saw this lens was the f/6.3 at the long end which would force up the ISO to high levels .. However, I recently read Thomas Stirr's article HERE about using this lens with the MC2.0 and that got me interested in the lens again … My bird photography is usually in the yard this time of year when the leaves are gone and and sun gets in. however, my technique with small birds has been to get them comfortable enough with my presence that I can often shoot them using the old 50-200mm lens .. We don't see enough birds in the air to get enough practice with that so small birds mostly sitting ...Usually the 300mm is good enough for standing heron. . … Probably never spend the money but it is an interesting lens …

Stay Well ….

WhyNot

A helpful article, WN.  Thanks for the link.

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EZGritz
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Re: "Test and Wow" 100-400

Right now I can buy the 100-400 for $1,350+ tax. I have $400 worth of gear to trade I haven't used in a long time. The guy with the Panny 100-400 said he bought that lens used for $1,000. Used doesn't scare me. Sometime in 2021 the OLY lens may be ~ $1,000 used or refurbed. No way to know.

This is totally subjective. Is it worth it to you and I or no? I don't know yet. If I decide it is I'll buy it. I shoot backyard birds too and don't need it for that. They come close enough to me that the 40-150PRO is long enough without a TC. With the MC20 it's 300mm f/5.6 and I bet it's better than your 100-300 Panny. I sold my 75-300 OLY when I bought the 40-150 PRO because I knew I would never use the 75-300 again.

I would only use the 100-400 if I go in the field. So far I have not done enough of that to own the lens. I have to make a commitment to do more birding in the field to make it worth owning this lens. I'm doing more birding this year because there are no motorsports or car shows since March 2020. That will change in 2021. Do I have time and desire for birding and motorsports? Not sure. I can rent a 300 f/4 and/or the 100-400. I own the 40-150PRO and use it a lot.

I am thinking the same way you are. Now that I know what it can do. Will I use it? How often?

I have to consider my skills, desire to improve them, time and desire to work at it. I'm not Scott Bourne - OLY Pro who lives in the Seattle area. I never will be. What matters to me is how I do with the lens. Not how Scott does with it. I can only look at Scotts' photos and dream.

Watch for more 100-400 photo posts if it interest you. I have them from many different distances, shutter speeds and ISOs'. You might find them interesting.

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Re: "Test and Wow" 100-400

Now that I read Stirr's article - I am 100% in agreement with what he wrote. My experience was, its too hard to find the bird in flight and track it at 1600mm. It's better to wait for a bird to come closer or put yourself in a position where you are closer.

I have the MC14 also. I think it is better in some cases to save the stop of light but it is not as sharp as the MC20. It is sharp enough.

For distant subjects that are not flying the M20 is great. You will see when I post more of the images. What I can say for sure is I have photos for Sunday I would not even attempt with the 40-150PRO and the MC20. They were too distant. Most of that day, most of the subjects were too far away for the 40-150PRO and the MC20. Without the 100-400 and the MC20 I would have returned with maybe 20-25% of the photos I have. Or I would have had to walk to a different part of the park where I could photograph different subjects that are closer. There is no doubt in my mind that having 1600mm in your bag gives you many more photographic opportunities. I agree with Stirr - not for BIF.

Good as it is, I won't be buying an M1X. I could have bought one when I picked up the 100-400 for $1,500 and didn't. I will probably own the EM1.3 someday in which case I might be able to try Bir ID if OLY ports it to this body. The M1X is too heavy for me.

I found shooting at f/13 and ISO from 200 to 3200 no problem at all. I also found shooting 1600mm 1/250 no problem at all. I don't know if there is a sweet spot for shutter speed/ISO. It isn't apparent. The combination is so capable IMO just throw the thing up and fire the trigger. This exceeds my expectations.

I'm not a professional photographer. I don't go out in gloom and rain because I don't have to. I go in the sun because its sun. If I can use f/13 for this, it's as fast as I need. I'll leave earlier when the sun goes down then I would with an f/2.8 lens but I don't need to be able to take every photo there is to take. No matter what I carry there will always be a point where I'll be disappointed if I stay too long. I only need a kit I can use that will work for when I want to be out there taking photos. Since it happens to be in good light f/13 works perfectly well for me. I doubted this before arriving at the park. As I said. The kit exceeds my expectations. I'm very, very pleased with what I see because it gives me many more possibilities for wildlife photography than I have with the 40-150PRO and the TCs.

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Re: San Juan, Puerto Rico: same trip

Very interesting, the difference of the cities from different islands, depends on what you are looking for.....

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